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I'm not a fan of this at all. Forcing Ukraine to hold elections so Putin can get his puppet in is not the answer.

Putin needs to go.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-russian-officials-propose-peace-plan-lay-groundwork-cooperation-riyadh

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Agree but my understanding (could be wrong) the regions occupied by Russia have not voted in Parliamentary elections in decades.

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Free elections would be great if we knew they'd actually be free.

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jkpackfan said:

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I'm not a fan of this at all. Forcing Ukraine to hold elections so Putin can get his puppet in is not the answer.

Putin needs to go.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-russian-officials-propose-peace-plan-lay-groundwork-cooperation-riyadh

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Putin was on the verge of losing the war, and now Trump is swooping in to hand him everything he wants. Same as it ever was.

Here's a peace plan: Put your tanks in reverse. End of war.

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Fact: Putin moved on Crimea when Obama was President.

Fact: Putin did nothing during President Trumps first term.

Fact: Putin moves on Ukraine when Biden is President.

Fact: Your President Trump is putting an end to war and the killing in his second term.

It should be intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer there is a pattern here.

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Did you skip the part of systems engineering where you learned about correlation vs. causation?

My seventh grader could've ended the war by conducting a unilateral negotiation without Ukraine; giving Putin the territory Russia had taken; and installing a puppet Putin mouthpiece president in Ukraine.

What an embarrassment of a "negotiation."

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I'm glad you're already embarrassed about a negotiation you know nothing about.

Totally not mentally ill.

lol.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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I'm not a fan of this at all. Forcing Ukraine to hold elections so Putin can get his puppet in is not the answer.

Putin needs to go.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-russian-officials-propose-peace-plan-lay-groundwork-cooperation-riyadh

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Putin was on the verge of losing the war, and now Trump is swooping in to hand him everything he wants. Same as it ever was.

Here's a peace plan: Put your tanks in reverse. End of war.

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Fact: Putin moved on Crimea when Obama was President.

Fact: Putin did nothing during President Trumps first term.

Fact: Putin moves on Ukraine when Biden is President.

Fact: Your President Trump is putting an end to war and the killing in his second term.

It should be intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer there is a pattern here.

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You definitely qualify as "the most casual observer".

Can you seriously keep a straight face while you're pretending "the pattern" is that Putin is scared of Trump? The way Trump grovels in his presence and showers him with gifts must be terrifying.

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Not just grovels; Trump is downright eager to take the lead role in giving Putin everything he wants.

Assuming this level of rudderless incompetence continues over the next 2-4 years it will be fascinating to see the electoral implications.

On the strength of the first month of the Trump/Elon clown show their popularity with Gen Z is down over 20 points. They're writing the book on how to be perfectly unlikable, totally ineffective, and completely embarrassing all at the same time.

TOB would call that a trifecta!

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LOLOLOL-you are extra TDS today!

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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You like him now after you hated him? You'll hate him again someday soon.

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go Werewolf, the answer to my question you couldn't answer.

"TSMC Won’t Make Intel Great Again" https://t.co/7VlPo7Pl8o pic.twitter.com/3gTPiCADxr

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) February 18, 2025

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Hokie, this country is spending tons of money building chip manufacturing plants. The only reason that's happening is the recognition of the security threat we have, especially with China threatening Taiwan. So, how did we get to Taiwan being the major player in Chip manufacturing? As will everything else, globalist decided it was the right thing to do…

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no, Texas Instruments decided calculators were the wave of the future and let Morris Chang go, then he created TSMC and their foundry process.

He bet on himself because he had zero stake in the company originally, it was 50% owned by the Taiwanese govt and the other 50% by other Taiwanese businesses. He then took his meager $150k salary, bought shares in the company and turned into a billionaire.

So no, globalist had zero to do with it. Morris Chang had 100% to do with it because he invented a new way of doing things.

We used to admire stuff like that, but now for some reason it's not anymore.

The CHIPS act invested heavily in Intel, Trump is now going to double down on that idiocy.

TSMC will never bring the newest technology to the US. Everyone thinks it's great they're brining 5nm production potentially to Arizona, but they've already gone to 3nm production in Taiwan.

Tariffs aren't going to fix that either.

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It's the one card that Taiwan has to play and they're going to play it hard. Their national survival depends on it.

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And… the reason China talks about unification. China has roughly 15% of chip manufacturing. They probably want more…. So… let's unify!!

Bring Chip manufacturing home!

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lol. China isn't allowed to buy the machines that produce the chips. Those are made in Europe and are highly technical and costs multi millions dollars.

Intel can even make a 10mn chip. They are so far behind that they are NEVER going to catch up. Bringing chip manufacturing home is a fancy slogan, but that involves so much more than you think it does and will probably takes 30-40 years to catch up to Tiawan, and that's only if we spend a couple trillion.

How about instead of threatening our partners with tariffs and saying they stole manufacturing from the US that didn't ever exist, maybe this administration can figure out a way to help strengthen Tiawan and our relationships with them and TSMC?

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I guess all that investment dollars going into facilities in Arizona is a waste of monetary... ok..

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yes and no, if your goal is to have all chips for American products or products sold in America manufactured here, yes it's a failure.

If you are ok with not manufacturing on the bleeding edge of chips in the world, then it's a success.

However propping up a poorly run company in Intel is a loss no matter what.

Civilized said:

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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I'm not sure that's what he is saying... He is referring to the latest CR/Budget that the Republicans are throwing around. His theory is that none of the DOGE recognized cuts are being taken in the CR/Budget...

Unless he's said something different today, I think that post may be disingenuous, at best...

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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I'm not a fan of this at all. Forcing Ukraine to hold elections so Putin can get his puppet in is not the answer.

Putin needs to go.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-russian-officials-propose-peace-plan-lay-groundwork-cooperation-riyadh

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Putin was on the verge of losing the war, and now Trump is swooping in to hand him everything he wants. Same as it ever was.

Here's a peace plan: Put your tanks in reverse. End of war.

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Fact: Putin moved on Crimea when Obama was President.

Fact: Putin did nothing during President Trumps first term.

Fact: Putin moves on Ukraine when Biden is President.

Fact: Your President Trump is putting an end to war and the killing in his second term.

It should be intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer there is a pattern here.

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Did you skip the part of systems engineering where you learned about correlation vs. causation?

My seventh grader could've ended the war by conducting a unilateral negotiation without Ukraine; giving Putin the territory Russia had taken; and installing a puppet Putin mouthpiece president in Ukraine.

What an embarrassment of a "negotiation."

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I'm glad you're already embarrassed about a negotiation you know nothing about.

Totally not mentally ill.

lol.

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Reading this summary I can totally see why civ and smapty are embarrassed at this negotiation.

Or not.

Totally not mentally ill.

NEW!!! Following meeting with lavrov, @SecRubio tells @CNN and @AP that "we’re going to point our teams’ respectively to work very quickly to reestablish the functionality of our respective missions in Washington and in Moscow."

1/4 pic.twitter.com/w2zEwO0hLj

— Alex Raufoglu (@ralakbar) February 18, 2025

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go Werewolf, the answer to my question you couldn't answer.

"TSMC Won’t Make Intel Great Again" https://t.co/7VlPo7Pl8o pic.twitter.com/3gTPiCADxr

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) February 18, 2025

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Hokie, this country is spending tons of money building chip manufacturing plants. The only reason that's happening is the recognition of the security threat we have, especially with China threatening Taiwan. So, how did we get to Taiwan being the major player in Chip manufacturing? As will everything else, globalist decided it was the right thing to do…

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no, Texas Instruments decided calculators were the wave of the future and let Morris Chang go, then he created TSMC and their foundry process.

He bet on himself because he had zero stake in the company originally, it was 50% owned by the Taiwanese govt and the other 50% by other Taiwanese businesses. He then took his meager $150k salary, bought shares in the company and turned into a billionaire.

So no, globalist had zero to do with it. Morris Chang had 100% to do with it because he invented a new way of doing things.

We used to admire stuff like that, but now for some reason it's not anymore.

The CHIPS act invested heavily in Intel, Trump is now going to double down on that idiocy.

TSMC will never bring the newest technology to the US. Everyone thinks it's great they're brining 5nm production potentially to Arizona, but they've already gone to 3nm production in Taiwan.

Tariffs aren't going to fix that either.

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It's the one card that Taiwan has to play and they're going to play it hard. Their national survival depends on it.

---

And… the reason China talks about unification. China has roughly 15% of chip manufacturing. They probably want more…. So… let's unify!!

Bring Chip manufacturing home!

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lol. China isn't allowed to buy the machines that produce the chips. Those are made in Europe and are highly technical and costs multi millions dollars.

Intel can even make a 10mn chip. They are so far behind that they are NEVER going to catch up. Bringing chip manufacturing home is a fancy slogan, but that involves so much more than you think it does and will probably takes 30-40 years to catch up to Tiawan, and that's only if we spend a couple trillion.

How about instead of threatening our partners with tariffs and saying they stole manufacturing from the US that didn't ever exist, maybe this administration can figure out a way to help strengthen Tiawan and our relationships with them and TSMC?

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I guess all that investment dollars going into facilities in Arizona is a waste of monetary... ok..

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yes and no, if your goal is to have all chips for American products or products sold in America manufactured here, yes it's a failure.

If you are ok with not manufacturing on the bleeding edge of chips in the world, then it's a success.

However propping up a poorly run company in Intel is a loss no matter what.

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I'm not recommending propping up any company. What I am recommending is bringing back highly critical chip manufacturing to the US. All the other chips, in your microwave, electric toothbrushes, and other throw away products... well, make them wherever...

All, I want to add a thought to this overall conversation. As much as I like what's going on, so far, with DOGE, Elon is one weird DUDE.

What is he doing? Is he just a sperm donator? I don't understand what he's doing with all these kids. Additionally, what the heck was Ashley St. Claire doing having a baby of his?

Everyone has always said, your Party has to have a Big Tent... Well, the Republican's tent is massive, right now!!!

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go Werewolf, the answer to my question you couldn't answer.

"TSMC Won’t Make Intel Great Again" https://t.co/7VlPo7Pl8o pic.twitter.com/3gTPiCADxr

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) February 18, 2025

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Hokie, this country is spending tons of money building chip manufacturing plants. The only reason that's happening is the recognition of the security threat we have, especially with China threatening Taiwan. So, how did we get to Taiwan being the major player in Chip manufacturing? As will everything else, globalist decided it was the right thing to do…

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no, Texas Instruments decided calculators were the wave of the future and let Morris Chang go, then he created TSMC and their foundry process.

He bet on himself because he had zero stake in the company originally, it was 50% owned by the Taiwanese govt and the other 50% by other Taiwanese businesses. He then took his meager $150k salary, bought shares in the company and turned into a billionaire.

So no, globalist had zero to do with it. Morris Chang had 100% to do with it because he invented a new way of doing things.

We used to admire stuff like that, but now for some reason it's not anymore.

The CHIPS act invested heavily in Intel, Trump is now going to double down on that idiocy.

TSMC will never bring the newest technology to the US. Everyone thinks it's great they're brining 5nm production potentially to Arizona, but they've already gone to 3nm production in Taiwan.

Tariffs aren't going to fix that either.

---

It's the one card that Taiwan has to play and they're going to play it hard. Their national survival depends on it.

---

And… the reason China talks about unification. China has roughly 15% of chip manufacturing. They probably want more…. So… let's unify!!

Bring Chip manufacturing home!

---

lol. China isn't allowed to buy the machines that produce the chips. Those are made in Europe and are highly technical and costs multi millions dollars.

Intel can even make a 10mn chip. They are so far behind that they are NEVER going to catch up. Bringing chip manufacturing home is a fancy slogan, but that involves so much more than you think it does and will probably takes 30-40 years to catch up to Tiawan, and that's only if we spend a couple trillion.

How about instead of threatening our partners with tariffs and saying they stole manufacturing from the US that didn't ever exist, maybe this administration can figure out a way to help strengthen Tiawan and our relationships with them and TSMC?

---

I guess all that investment dollars going into facilities in Arizona is a waste of monetary... ok..

---

yes and no, if your goal is to have all chips for American products or products sold in America manufactured here, yes it's a failure.

If you are ok with not manufacturing on the bleeding edge of chips in the world, then it's a success.

However propping up a poorly run company in Intel is a loss no matter what.

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I'm not recommending propping up any company. What I am recommending is bringing back highly critical chip manufacturing to the US. All the other chips, in your microwave, electric toothbrushes, and other throw away products... well, make them wherever...

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With a couple trillion in investment by both private and public funding, and a good 30-40 years, the US could catch up to Taiwan and you'll get your wish! Additionally, since TSMC has purchased the manufacturing capacity of the one company that makes the machines that makes the chips for the next 10 years, I suggest someone get serious about it.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go Werewolf, the answer to my question you couldn't answer.

"TSMC Won’t Make Intel Great Again" https://t.co/7VlPo7Pl8o pic.twitter.com/3gTPiCADxr

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) February 18, 2025

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Hokie, this country is spending tons of money building chip manufacturing plants. The only reason that's happening is the recognition of the security threat we have, especially with China threatening Taiwan. So, how did we get to Taiwan being the major player in Chip manufacturing? As will everything else, globalist decided it was the right thing to do…

---

no, Texas Instruments decided calculators were the wave of the future and let Morris Chang go, then he created TSMC and their foundry process.

He bet on himself because he had zero stake in the company originally, it was 50% owned by the Taiwanese govt and the other 50% by other Taiwanese businesses. He then took his meager $150k salary, bought shares in the company and turned into a billionaire.

So no, globalist had zero to do with it. Morris Chang had 100% to do with it because he invented a new way of doing things.

We used to admire stuff like that, but now for some reason it's not anymore.

The CHIPS act invested heavily in Intel, Trump is now going to double down on that idiocy.

TSMC will never bring the newest technology to the US. Everyone thinks it's great they're brining 5nm production potentially to Arizona, but they've already gone to 3nm production in Taiwan.

Tariffs aren't going to fix that either.

---

It's the one card that Taiwan has to play and they're going to play it hard. Their national survival depends on it.

---

And… the reason China talks about unification. China has roughly 15% of chip manufacturing. They probably want more…. So… let's unify!!

Bring Chip manufacturing home!

---

lol. China isn't allowed to buy the machines that produce the chips. Those are made in Europe and are highly technical and costs multi millions dollars.

Intel can even make a 10mn chip. They are so far behind that they are NEVER going to catch up. Bringing chip manufacturing home is a fancy slogan, but that involves so much more than you think it does and will probably takes 30-40 years to catch up to Tiawan, and that's only if we spend a couple trillion.

How about instead of threatening our partners with tariffs and saying they stole manufacturing from the US that didn't ever exist, maybe this administration can figure out a way to help strengthen Tiawan and our relationships with them and TSMC?

---

I guess all that investment dollars going into facilities in Arizona is a waste of monetary... ok..

---

yes and no, if your goal is to have all chips for American products or products sold in America manufactured here, yes it's a failure.

If you are ok with not manufacturing on the bleeding edge of chips in the world, then it's a success.

However propping up a poorly run company in Intel is a loss no matter what.

---

I'm not recommending propping up any company. What I am recommending is bringing back highly critical chip manufacturing to the US. All the other chips, in your microwave, electric toothbrushes, and other throw away products... well, make them wherever...

---

With a couple trillion in investment by both private and public funding, and a good 30-40 years, the US could catch up to Taiwan and you'll get your wish! Additionally, since TSMC has purchased the manufacturing capacity of the one company that makes the machines that makes the chips for the next 10 years, I suggest someone get serious about it.

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Again, why is much money going into building facilities? Based on what you say, and what Peter Navarro appears to be alluding too, well, we have big disconnect...

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go Werewolf, the answer to my question you couldn't answer.

"TSMC Won’t Make Intel Great Again" https://t.co/7VlPo7Pl8o pic.twitter.com/3gTPiCADxr

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) February 18, 2025

---

Hokie, this country is spending tons of money building chip manufacturing plants. The only reason that's happening is the recognition of the security threat we have, especially with China threatening Taiwan. So, how did we get to Taiwan being the major player in Chip manufacturing? As will everything else, globalist decided it was the right thing to do…

---

no, Texas Instruments decided calculators were the wave of the future and let Morris Chang go, then he created TSMC and their foundry process.

He bet on himself because he had zero stake in the company originally, it was 50% owned by the Taiwanese govt and the other 50% by other Taiwanese businesses. He then took his meager $150k salary, bought shares in the company and turned into a billionaire.

So no, globalist had zero to do with it. Morris Chang had 100% to do with it because he invented a new way of doing things.

We used to admire stuff like that, but now for some reason it's not anymore.

The CHIPS act invested heavily in Intel, Trump is now going to double down on that idiocy.

TSMC will never bring the newest technology to the US. Everyone thinks it's great they're brining 5nm production potentially to Arizona, but they've already gone to 3nm production in Taiwan.

Tariffs aren't going to fix that either.

---

It's the one card that Taiwan has to play and they're going to play it hard. Their national survival depends on it.

---

And… the reason China talks about unification. China has roughly 15% of chip manufacturing. They probably want more…. So… let's unify!!

Bring Chip manufacturing home!

---

lol. China isn't allowed to buy the machines that produce the chips. Those are made in Europe and are highly technical and costs multi millions dollars.

Intel can even make a 10mn chip. They are so far behind that they are NEVER going to catch up. Bringing chip manufacturing home is a fancy slogan, but that involves so much more than you think it does and will probably takes 30-40 years to catch up to Tiawan, and that's only if we spend a couple trillion.

How about instead of threatening our partners with tariffs and saying they stole manufacturing from the US that didn't ever exist, maybe this administration can figure out a way to help strengthen Tiawan and our relationships with them and TSMC?

---

I guess all that investment dollars going into facilities in Arizona is a waste of monetary... ok..

---

yes and no, if your goal is to have all chips for American products or products sold in America manufactured here, yes it's a failure.

If you are ok with not manufacturing on the bleeding edge of chips in the world, then it's a success.

However propping up a poorly run company in Intel is a loss no matter what.

---

I'm not recommending propping up any company. What I am recommending is bringing back highly critical chip manufacturing to the US. All the other chips, in your microwave, electric toothbrushes, and other throw away products... well, make them wherever...

---

With a couple trillion in investment by both private and public funding, and a good 30-40 years, the US could catch up to Taiwan and you'll get your wish! Additionally, since TSMC has purchased the manufacturing capacity of the one company that makes the machines that makes the chips for the next 10 years, I suggest someone get serious about it.

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Again, why is much money going into building facilities? Based on what you say, and what Peter Navarro appears to be alluding too, well, we have big disconnect...

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Why is so much money going into building facilities? Because it feels good I suppose. Kind of like pretending your cutting spending for fiscal responsibility rather than because you have an axe to grind culturally.

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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You like him now after you hated him? You'll hate him again someday soon.

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Oh he's still a massively grifting asshat but he's 100% correct about Musk.

“A walking conflict of interest… $20 Billion in 🇺🇸 government contracts…” https://t.co/TIShOUCRkV pic.twitter.com/GpgDGWpq5C

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Can anyone on here explain why Musk isn't massively conflicted given the massive extent to which his companies do business with and receive financial benefits from the federal government?

The scale of his interest conflict is totally unprecedented.

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caryking said:

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All, I want to add a thought to this overall conversation. As much as I like what's going on, so far, with DOGE, Elon is one weird DUDE.

What is he doing? Is he just a sperm donator? I don't understand what he's doing with all these kids. Additionally, what the heck was Ashley St. Claire doing having a baby of his?

Everyone has always said, your Party has to have a Big Tent... Well, the Republican's tent is massive, right now!!!

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First Bannon, now I agree completely with Cary.

Next thing you know it'll be Gulfstream or packgrad. Weird times we're living in.

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LOL

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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You like him now after you hated him? You'll hate him again someday soon.

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Oh he's still a massively grifting asshat but he's 100% correct about Musk.

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Unfortunately, the post you quoted was misinformation. Bannon's comments were about the visible savings DOGE has found, well… they aren't showing up in the Republican budget.

Read the post again…

A Trump official just announced that Trump has signed an executive order claiming that ONLY the President and Attorney General can speak for “what the law is.”

They are trying to start a constitutional crisis.pic.twitter.com/F9UPICJEg4

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) February 18, 2025

Jesus tapdancing Christ these guys are stupid, and reckless. Dangerous combo.

Are they really living in a fantasyland where Marbury vs.Madison doesn't exist and where courts don't interpret the constitutionality, meaning, and applicability of laws as standard everyday practice, same as they've done for over 200 years?

What role exactly do these morons think the courts have in determining "what the law is?"

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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You like him now after you hated him? You'll hate him again someday soon.

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Oh he's still a massively grifting asshat but he's 100% correct about Musk.

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Unfortunately, the post you quoted was misinformation. Bannon's comments were about the visible savings DOGE has found, well… they aren't showing up in the Republican budget.

Read the post again…

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This was the part I was agreeing with:

"Musk is a parasitic illegal immigrant. He wants to impose his freak experiments and play-act as God without any respect for the country's history, values, or traditions."

Regarding what DOGE has found, what have they found? They've not announced anything that has any confirmed significant budgetary consequence. They've just stepped on their dick over and over by crying about fraud on Twitter and then it turns out to be some perfectly normal expenditure or programming/database quirk.

Regarding voiced Elon Musk concerns, my concern with Elon is that part of his interest in Trump & MAGA may be to facilitate a stronger position with Trump and AI implementation in GOVT. We could end up with a system more intolerant than the Deep State's CIA and FBI, for instance.

Also, we recently witnessed a number of Elon's stronger AI competitors courting Trump. In my view, AI development is something to understand better and to keep an eye on. We should be concerned about the development of AI in the wrong hands, and how our Govt might use AI.

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Civilized said:

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Wow — Bannon calls musk a “parasitic illegal immigrant” and says DOGE hasn’t found “one penny” of savings in the proposed budget. https://t.co/zR0leQy3is pic.twitter.com/gCWINtBmcb

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) February 18, 2025

Lawdy be, I actually agree with Steve Bannon about something!

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You like him now after you hated him? You'll hate him again someday soon.

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Oh he's still a massively grifting asshat but he's 100% correct about Musk.

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Unfortunately, the post you quoted was misinformation. Bannon's comments were about the visible savings DOGE has found, well… they aren't showing up in the Republican budget.

Read the post again…

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This was the part I was agreeing with:

"Musk is a parasitic illegal immigrant. He wants to impose his freak experiments and play-act as God without any respect for the country's history, values, or traditions."

Regarding what DOGE has found, what have they found? They've not announced anything that has any confirmed significant budgetary consequence. They've just stepped on their dick over and over by crying about fraud on Twitter and then it turns out to be some perfectly normal expenditure or programming/database quirk.

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I guess I'm still missing the point…

Bannon isn't questioning what's being brought up by DOGE; rather, those findings are being showed up in the budget cuts, especially for the CR/Budget that has to be passed in mid March.

Bannon, as of this afternoon, is using 80B in cuts, so far. Now, I have no idea what they are…

Werewolf said:

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Regarding voiced Elon Musk concerns, my concern with Elon is that part of his interest in Trump & MAGA may be to facilitate a stronger position with Trump and AI implementation in GOVT. We could end up with a system more intolerant than the Deep State's CIA and FBI, for instance.

Also, we recently witnessed a number of Elon's stronger AI competitors courting Trump. In my view, AI development is something to understand better and to keep an eye on. We should be concerned about the development of AI in the wrong hands, and how our Govt might use AI.

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Today, a judge ruled against States saying Elon can't be doing what he's doing. Now, this Judge also ruled that Jack Smith had too much power and should have been an appointed and confirmed member of Biden's administration.

So, the thinking is that the same Judge has set the States up to file a new complaint regarding the appointment clause of the constitution. That's where the Dem's are going get Musk stopped.

I don't have the information; rather heard someone speak about some note that came out, trying to clarify Musk's role. I think they are trying to create a delineation between Musk's activities and actual cuts and firings. The truth is, Musk and DOGE can not and have not cut and/or fired anyone; rather, they've made recommendations and Department heads have done the work.

People like Civ can and probably will say that they are the same thing. For that, I can see their point. That said, and as Civ has said, the courts will figure this out…. I only hope Pam Bondi and team are good enough to fast track this stuff; otherwise, nothing will get done and we will have another failed opportunity for real change…

So, I ask… Is the Administrative State too big to overcome? Maybe!!

JUDGE CHUTKAN DENIED BLUE STATE’S REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER PREVENTING MUSK AND DOGE FROM ACCESSING DATA FROM SEVEN FEDERAL AGENCIES. @julie_kelly2 reports.

GET RAV ON THE GO 24/7. START LISTENING NOW! https://t.co/5L0hFRsz41@Bannons_WarRoom pic.twitter.com/LzUQpWeBZP

— Real America's Voice (RAV) (@RealAmVoice) February 18, 2025

This is probably the only chance we have. If we fail, it's over.

I think you could be right on Sieve being a white liberal female.

Civilized said:

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A Trump official just announced that Trump has signed an executive order claiming that ONLY the President and Attorney General can speak for “what the law is.”

They are trying to start a constitutional crisis.pic.twitter.com/F9UPICJEg4

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) February 18, 2025

Jesus tapdancing Christ these guys are stupid, and reckless. Dangerous combo.

Are they really living in a fantasyland where Marbury vs.Madison doesn't exist and where courts don't interpret the constitutionality, meaning, and applicability of laws as standard everyday practice, same as they've done for over 200 years?

What role exactly do these morons think the courts have in determining "what the law is?"

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So, I legitimately looked around on this because its an absolutely insane statement, but given what Trump recently tweeted, I was intrigued. Couldnt find any article mentioning it on CNN.com, so I just pulled the executive order myself

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-reins-in-independent-agencies-to-restore-a-government-that-answers-to-the-american-people/

The line in question
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• The President and the Attorney General (subject to the President's supervision and control) will interpret the law for the executive branch, instead of having separate agencies adopt conflicting interpretations.

Hes already in court over this, so I feel like the podcast bro might be overreacting just a tad.

Now, having read the whole thing...I dont know why this is necessary. The entire issue of this executive order is already in the circuit courts

packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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A Trump official just announced that Trump has signed an executive order claiming that ONLY the President and Attorney General can speak for “what the law is.”

They are trying to start a constitutional crisis.pic.twitter.com/F9UPICJEg4

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) February 18, 2025

Jesus tapdancing Christ these guys are stupid, and reckless. Dangerous combo.

Are they really living in a fantasyland where Marbury vs.Madison doesn't exist and where courts don't interpret the constitutionality, meaning, and applicability of laws as standard everyday practice, same as they've done for over 200 years?

What role exactly do these morons think the courts have in determining "what the law is?"

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Lol. I'm starting to think you're a woman. You post like a liberal white woman devoid of reason.

I look forward to your back pedal/pivot when you learn Obama did the same thing.

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Considering he thinks bourbon is clear I have my questions as well

For the sake of #SIeve, #Nappy and #Gobbler, ENJOY, it's one to not miss. :-)

This is absolutely wonderful. Enjoy
Elon Musk is Sherlock Holmes🔥 pic.twitter.com/cGJTBstOyd

— I am Ken (@Ikennect) February 15, 2025

FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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A Trump official just announced that Trump has signed an executive order claiming that ONLY the President and Attorney General can speak for “what the law is.”

They are trying to start a constitutional crisis.pic.twitter.com/F9UPICJEg4

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) February 18, 2025

Jesus tapdancing Christ these guys are stupid, and reckless. Dangerous combo.

Are they really living in a fantasyland where Marbury vs.Madison doesn't exist and where courts don't interpret the constitutionality, meaning, and applicability of laws as standard everyday practice, same as they've done for over 200 years?

What role exactly do these morons think the courts have in determining "what the law is?"

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So, I legitimately looked around on this because its an absolutely insane statement, but given what Trump recently tweeted, I was intrigued. Couldnt find any article mentioning it on CNN.com, so I just pulled the executive order myself

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-reins-in-independent-agencies-to-restore-a-government-that-answers-to-the-american-people/

The line in question
"

• The President and the Attorney General (subject to the President's supervision and control) will interpret the law for the executive branch, instead of having separate agencies adopt conflicting interpretations.

Hes already in court over this, so I feel like the podcast bro might be overreacting just a tad.

Now, having read the whole thing...I dont know why this is necessary. The entire issue of this executive order is already in the circuit courts

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This is all going to come down to a Supreme Court ruling on the power of the President and the roll, of the position, with the Executive Branch and its Departments.

4 minutes of President Trump on the massive fraud uncovered by DOGE:

https://instagr.am/p/DGO3JfPAE_w

This is one that could have some massive impact…. Fraud? Corruption? For good? All to be determined…

Holy sh*t:

But now legal reporters and others are claiming there is "no evidence of a crime" related to the handling of this massive slush fund.

Really? How do they know?

New York Post:

"Zeldin’s team is looking into whether former EPA employees are working at any of the…

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) February 18, 2025

https://instagr.am/p/DGO3mq3upjM