Werewolf said:

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IS ANYONE TIRED OF WINNING YET? #MAGA

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That would be the ones who aren't. This Friday at COB, I walked in on a young lady that I've known for years who had just transitioned from many years as a contractor at my agency to the civil service. She was trying to maintain her composure but she'd thought she'd traded an uncertain future as a contractor to the security of a government job. Late that night, I got a text from other colleagues telling me she just been been put on thirty days furlough, meaning she'll probably be terminated by the end of the month.

Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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IS ANYONE TIRED OF WINNING YET? #MAGA

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That would be the ones who aren't. This Friday at COB, I walked in on a young lady that I've known for years who had just transitioned from many years as a contractor at my agency to the civil service. She was trying to maintain her composure but she'd thought she'd traded an uncertain future as a contractor to the security of a government job. Late that night, I got a text from other colleagues telling me she just been been put on thirty days furlough, meaning she'll probably be terminated by the end of the month.

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We hope, and trust, that she quickly finds suitable employment in the field of her interest. I had wondered how your situation was, in this regard.

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Feel like NHL hockey and NBA all star festivities were a microcosm of the political parties today.

NHL- conservatives, Republicans, Patriots fighting for the country.

NBA- liberals, Democrats cheating and trying to juke the system.

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I was watching the hockey game, I'm conservative again!

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Hokie, you are a conservative; however, you've been misguided by the globalist Republicans. It's ok…

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hey, I'll take it!

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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IS ANYONE TIRED OF WINNING YET? #MAGA

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That would be the ones who aren't. This Friday at COB, I walked in on a young lady that I've known for years who had just transitioned from many years as a contractor at my agency to the civil service. She was trying to maintain her composure but she'd thought she'd traded an uncertain future as a contractor to the security of a government job. Late that night, I got a text from other colleagues telling me she just been been put on thirty days furlough, meaning she'll probably be terminated by the end of the month.

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We hope, and trust, that she quickly finds suitable employment in the field of her interest. I had wondered how your situation was, in this regard.

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When I go back on Tuesday, we'll see what comes next although I expect to see/feel heightened anxiety/lower morale from even what it was on Friday. I'm trying to lay low at work to avoid resentment because many think I have veteran status RIF protection though that's not strictly true. If they tap my shoulder, I hope they just let me retire because I'm age-eligible to do so. Spouse and I agreed that if that happens, I'll get some other kind of job to maintain living standard until I feel comfortable filing for social security.

Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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IS ANYONE TIRED OF WINNING YET? #MAGA

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That would be the ones who aren't. This Friday at COB, I walked in on a young lady that I've known for years who had just transitioned from many years as a contractor at my agency to the civil service. She was trying to maintain her composure but she'd thought she'd traded an uncertain future as a contractor to the security of a government job. Late that night, I got a text from other colleagues telling me she just been been put on thirty days furlough, meaning she'll probably be terminated by the end of the month.

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We hope, and trust, that she quickly finds suitable employment in the field of her interest. I had wondered how your situation was, in this regard.

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When I go back on Tuesday, we'll see what comes next although I expect to see/feel heightened anxiety/lower morale from even what it was on Friday. I'm trying to lay low at work to avoid resentment because many think I have veteran status RIF protection though that's not strictly true. If they tap my shoulder, I hope they just let me retire because I'm age-eligible to do so. Spouse and I agreed that if that happens, I'll get some other kind of job to maintain living standard until I feel comfortable filing for social security.

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you appear to be a good dude here, does it make sense for you to retire, ie I think your someone that is responsible and good at their work. Is that really who needs to be gotten rid of for the sake of efficiency?

I really think this video speaks about the reality of where news is and where it's heading. The two gentlemen, on the video, are really more left leaning folks. The third wheel, to their podcast was David Sachs, who is now in the Trump admin. I don't listen to their podcast; however, I have a friend that sends me segments.

Nonetheless, I provide this so people can get a glimpse on how things work, at a big media network, as well as the misinformation that is provided. Also, I do like Megyn Kelly's approach to the news. I believe she adds a real approach and commentary…

lol @ hokie.

Godalmighty.

^ #Gobbler having an epiphany…..but then searching for some dignity to cling to.

#Gobbler, you are on the wrong ship! Nobody will say no to you climbing on the ship of truth and humanity. You get to choose

Here's a great article that explains why the NIH cuts are going to cripple the Triangle universities. Regardless of your ideology, I would think that if our enemies are pouring money into R&D ( and they are) the US should do so as well as a matter of national security.

Article also contains a link to all the current grants awarded to Nc State, Duke and UNC

https://report.nih.gov/award/index.cfm

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article300204179.html

hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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IS ANYONE TIRED OF WINNING YET? #MAGA

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That would be the ones who aren't. This Friday at COB, I walked in on a young lady that I've known for years who had just transitioned from many years as a contractor at my agency to the civil service. She was trying to maintain her composure but she'd thought she'd traded an uncertain future as a contractor to the security of a government job. Late that night, I got a text from other colleagues telling me she just been been put on thirty days furlough, meaning she'll probably be terminated by the end of the month.

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We hope, and trust, that she quickly finds suitable employment in the field of her interest. I had wondered how your situation was, in this regard.

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When I go back on Tuesday, we'll see what comes next although I expect to see/feel heightened anxiety/lower morale from even what it was on Friday. I'm trying to lay low at work to avoid resentment because many think I have veteran status RIF protection though that's not strictly true. If they tap my shoulder, I hope they just let me retire because I'm age-eligible to do so. Spouse and I agreed that if that happens, I'll get some other kind of job to maintain living standard until I feel comfortable filing for social security.

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you appear to be a good dude here, does it make sense for you to retire, ie I think your someone that is responsible and good at their work. Is that really who needs to be gotten rid of for the sake of efficiency?

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I've got thoughts about the big picture which I won't share here, just because that's a lot of discussion. Personally, I was thinking about throwing in the towel anyway but wanted to hold off nearly 24 months until the end of next year, if only to pad the eventual social security check and also shorten the age gap until I can file for full SS. But I hit my career high note about two years ago when I first-authored and published a discovery in bacteriology that I'd made before the pandemic, but now I'm feeling burned out, and if they tell me to retire this year, I probably won't put up much of a fight.

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Here's a great article that explains why the NIH cuts are going to cripple the Triangle universities. Regardless of your ideology, I would think that if our enemies are pouring money into R&D ( and they are) the US should do so as well as a matter of national security.

Article also contains a link to all the current grants awarded to Nc State, Duke and UNC

https://report.nih.gov/award/index.cfm

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article300204179.html

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Im going to fully admit to being ignorant about the grant process, so any insight would be appreciated. Based on what I read this past week, many universities have something like the discretionary part of the money (on top of the grants) going to something like 60% administrative fees and processes. When you compare that to charitable organizations, where its in the neighborhood of 8-14% go to administrative fees. What accounts for the discrepancy?

It hard for me to not feel like this is part of the reason universities have gotten so expensive

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's a great article that explains why the NIH cuts are going to cripple the Triangle universities. Regardless of your ideology, I would think that if our enemies are pouring money into R&D ( and they are) the US should do so as well as a matter of national security.

Article also contains a link to all the current grants awarded to Nc State, Duke and UNC

https://report.nih.gov/award/index.cfm

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article300204179.html

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Im going to fully admit to being ignorant about the grant process, so any insight would be appreciated. Based on what I read this past week, many universities have something like the discretionary part of the money (on top of the grants) going to something like 60% administrative fees and processes. When you compare that to charitable organizations, where its in the neighborhood of 8-14% go to administrative fees. What accounts for the discrepancy?

It hard for me to not feel like this is part of the reason universities have gotten so expensive

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the discrepancy is how hard costs such as construction of the space and equipment are reimbursed. Additionally, compliance with regulations adds costs, as does ongoing building maintenance. Just because you have a lab building doesn't mean you don't need to use funding to upgrade HVAC and Electrical, or make repairs to elevators, or bring the building up to current code, or replace the purified water system for the building. That's what a lot of this indirect funding goes to. All that stuff costs money, which is a direct benefit to the research grant and allows for the university to compete for more grants and recruit and retain to research talent. I wish you guys could meet some of these researchers. They are amazing folks.

Appreciate the answer.

hokiewolf said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Here's a great article that explains why the NIH cuts are going to cripple the Triangle universities. Regardless of your ideology, I would think that if our enemies are pouring money into R&D ( and they are) the US should do so as well as a matter of national security.

Article also contains a link to all the current grants awarded to Nc State, Duke and UNC

https://report.nih.gov/award/index.cfm

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article300204179.html

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Im going to fully admit to being ignorant about the grant process, so any insight would be appreciated. Based on what I read this past week, many universities have something like the discretionary part of the money (on top of the grants) going to something like 60% administrative fees and processes. When you compare that to charitable organizations, where its in the neighborhood of 8-14% go to administrative fees. What accounts for the discrepancy?

It hard for me to not feel like this is part of the reason universities have gotten so expensive

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the discrepancy is how hard costs such as construction of the space and equipment are reimbursed. Additionally, compliance with regulations adds costs, as does ongoing building maintenance. Just because you have a lab building doesn't mean you don't need to use funding to upgrade HVAC and Electrical, or make repairs to elevators, or bring the building up to current code, or replace the purified water system for the building. That's what a lot of this indirect funding goes to. All that stuff costs money, which is a direct benefit to the research grant and allows for the university to compete for more grants and recruit and retain to research talent. I wish you guys could meet some of these researchers. They are amazing folks.

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So were giving grants to places that cannot meet compliance regulations for said grants? That seems...inefficient.

Look, I get that research costs a ton of money at the end of the day. I realize you need all the tools to do it efficiently. This is one of those areas I am completely happy letting tax money go towards given the benefits to society, but its also insane to me how much we are giving out without the proper tools in place to begin with. I dont have an answer as to how much is appropriate, but the numbers do seem insane to me

Seems universities would be better served to revise how their endowments are used. 50-60% indirect costs to fund research grants is bad business. Sounds basically like every agency that gets government funding that jukes the system. Make sure to use every penny every year so you get that and more next year. There is no way to justify 50-60% indirect costs. Hell, those amazing researchers should be pissed it is their responsibility to fund this. If universities need funding for air conditioning and elevators, it most certainly should NOT be coming from the NIH.

The only reason we have those large administrative fees and ongoing maintenance, not being covered under normal operating receipts is because they aren't accountable to the money.

On my scale (Stitch Golf), we can't just take funds and use them accountably. The ones that do, should be cut off! Our society has accepted this type of thinking; therefore, we have 35T plus debt…

Is anyone willing to rollup their sleeve and be responsible and accountable? Based on the first pass of the budget, upcoming that needs to pass on March 14th, we don't!

Hokie, as a self proclaimed conservative, you certainly don't act as one…. Actually, I take that back, you act and speak like every other self proclaimed conservative.

DUDE, WE ARE BROKE!!

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Seems universities would be better served to revise how their endowments are used. 50-60% indirect costs to fund research grants is bad business. Sounds basically like every agency that gets government funding that jukes the system. Make sure to use every penny every year so you get that and more next year. There is no way to justify 50-60% indirect costs. Hell, those amazing researchers should be pissed it is their responsibility to fund this. If universities need funding for air conditioning and elevators, it most certainly should NOT be coming from the NIH.

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100% agree!!

The University has to put some equity in the deal…. If not, cut them off.

packgrad said:

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Seems universities would be better served to revise how their endowments are used. 50-60% indirect costs to fund research grants is bad business. Sounds basically like every agency that gets government funding that jukes the system. Make sure to use every penny every year so you get that and more next year. There is no way to justify 50-60% indirect costs. Hell, those amazing researchers should be pissed it is their responsibility to fund this. If universities need funding for air conditioning and elevators, it most certainly should NOT be coming from the NIH.

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where should it come from? Those buildings are specifically there to do this research. Investments were made by these institutions on behalf of the government to fund this research. Some of those buildings are well over 60 years old. Stuff breaks.

caryking said:

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packgrad said:

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Seems universities would be better served to revise how their endowments are used. 50-60% indirect costs to fund research grants is bad business. Sounds basically like every agency that gets government funding that jukes the system. Make sure to use every penny every year so you get that and more next year. There is no way to justify 50-60% indirect costs. Hell, those amazing researchers should be pissed it is their responsibility to fund this. If universities need funding for air conditioning and elevators, it most certainly should NOT be coming from the NIH.

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100% agree!!

The University has to put some equity in the deal…. If not, cut them off.

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they do, they make large investments based on a minimal return if there is a breakthrough with one of these research grants.

caryking said:

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The only reason we have those large administrative fees and ongoing maintenance, not being covered under normal operating receipts is because they aren't accountable to the money.

On my scale (Stitch Golf), we can't just take funds and use them accountably. The ones that do, should be cut off! Our society has accepted this type of thinking; therefore, we have 35T plus debt…

Is anyone willing to rollup their sleeve and be responsible and accountable? Based on the first pass of the budget, upcoming that needs to pass on March 14th, we don't!

Hokie, as a self proclaimed conservative, you certainly don't act as one…. Actually, I take that back, you act and speak like every other self proclaimed conservative.

DUDE, WE ARE BROKE!!

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I just feel strongly about it because I've seen first hand something that came out of a research grant at Duke had a direct benefit on the health outcome of a loved one.

^thats wild

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-scorches-moron-left-wing-senator-seething-over-obvious-trump-family-parody-account

Over the last 3 weeks you've heard countless scientists say that if we have budget cuts at NIH it will stop cancer cures and clinical trials. This study was funded by the NIH. The control arm should be getting active anti-cancer therapy, many did not get it, and many got it only… https://t.co/bv66t3eMlj

— Vinay Prasad MD MPH (@VPrasadMDMPH) February 16, 2025

Hey cool! Elon is about to gain access to everyone and every company's tax returns!

This seems totally normal.