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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Trump wouldn't rule out using military force against a NATO ally to get Greenland today. What a knee-slapper!

Gonna be a long, stupid four years.

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Can anyone on here explain the thinly veiled genius of Trump saber-rattling about Greenland and the Panama Canal and making America's hat a 51st state, all three of which being issues that wouldn't even remotely be on the radar of any other sane politician on the planet?

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Owning both would give the U. S. significant strategic advantages.

War is coming with China at some point.

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I thought we were isolationists now and didn't want war and countries should take care of themselves, thus avoiding things that could provoke wars, no?

You're making a RINO globalist point here.

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I don't know where the truth lies in all this, however, here is what's being said, I think:

• Panama Canal was built by the US (after failed attempts by others) for goods transportation. Supposedly, the cost for using the canal has gotten expensive. Trump claims China is running some or all of the operations. The giving of the Canal was meant for others to run it; so, he wants change for the usage of the canal.
• Greenland has natural materials that can be of value for economic growth. I think he is saying we should get there before China does, if they haven't already. Additionally, Russia has a fleet (this is being said) that would move past the area. Strategically, the land has great value Militarily.

Now, I think most of this is speaking about possibilities and he is pushing hard, only to negotiate a reasonable outcome for the US. It didn't take long after he expressed significant tariffs for the whole Canadian government to fall in turmoil. Cause and effect? You can decide that for yourself.

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Why would Trump do that? That would provoke Russia and China. I thought that's not what we do anymore. I'm so confused by what the actual policies are going to be.

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How would it provoke anyone? You do see the difference in this vs. sending money and weapons use to kill thousands of Russian citizens?

I feel this move would let China/Russia know to NOT eff up.

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That last sentence is provocation

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No it's not but you do you.

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Statefan2001 twin only is ok with provocations where we fund Ukraine and millions of people die. Thats the Trump voter conservative take. We do not need to make moves that benefit the country financially and strategically.

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Sorry we all missed the part where Ukraine invaded Russia?

When you invade another sovereign nation unprovoked you put the lives of your citizens at risk. Your citizens will absolutely die if there nation you invaded defends itself from your aggression.

That tragedy is 100% Putin's to own no different than the Gaza tragedy is completely at the feet of Hamas.

Sovereign nations have the right to defend themselves when attacked.

That's the whole reason Putin and Hamas shouldn't attack their neighbors.

Attacking or terrorizing another nation is no different than deciding on a family road trip to carjack the car next to you. When that car shoots back to defend itself and your family catches strays, that tragedy is entirely the consequential damage stemming from your idiocy.

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. When was my concern just for Russian citizens again?

Fortunately, we have a real leader in office that will bring an end to this war. A symbol of your people's leadership is on display in California right now.

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I'm on the fence between you both. War needs to end, but not on Putin's (absolute) terms….that would just be setting up the next war after he's regrouped, replenished, and ready to aggress again.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Trump wouldn't rule out using military force against a NATO ally to get Greenland today. What a knee-slapper!

Gonna be a long, stupid four years.

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Can anyone on here explain the thinly veiled genius of Trump saber-rattling about Greenland and the Panama Canal and making America's hat a 51st state, all three of which being issues that wouldn't even remotely be on the radar of any other sane politician on the planet?

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I would say it's just his typical dominance ritual where he says something completely insane that 98% of the time he'll never actually do, just to get everyone to say "My god, he can't do that! Wait, can he do that?! Why don't the rules apply to him?!" Rinse and repeat.

But in this case, since Trump Rule #1 always seems to be "How can we help Putin today?", it probably has more to do with giving Russia cover over the war in Ukraine. We can't be mad at Russia for taking territory by force if we're actively threatening to do the same thing. Should make the "give Putin everything he wants" negotiations easier.

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Is that a distress code like "SOS", for people who don't know anything but want to debate?

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Why debate with a moe-ron like you? I just enjoy watching you outrage with nearly every post.

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Agree! Just quit quoting him/her…

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Yes please.

Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Trump wouldn't rule out using military force against a NATO ally to get Greenland today. What a knee-slapper!

Gonna be a long, stupid four years.

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Can anyone on here explain the thinly veiled genius of Trump saber-rattling about Greenland and the Panama Canal and making America's hat a 51st state, all three of which being issues that wouldn't even remotely be on the radar of any other sane politician on the planet?

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Owning both would give the U. S. significant strategic advantages.

War is coming with China at some point.

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I thought we were isolationists now and didn't want war and countries should take care of themselves, thus avoiding things that could provoke wars, no?

You're making a RINO globalist point here.

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I don't know where the truth lies in all this, however, here is what's being said, I think:

• Panama Canal was built by the US (after failed attempts by others) for goods transportation. Supposedly, the cost for using the canal has gotten expensive. Trump claims China is running some or all of the operations. The giving of the Canal was meant for others to run it; so, he wants change for the usage of the canal.
• Greenland has natural materials that can be of value for economic growth. I think he is saying we should get there before China does, if they haven't already. Additionally, Russia has a fleet (this is being said) that would move past the area. Strategically, the land has great value Militarily.

Now, I think most of this is speaking about possibilities and he is pushing hard, only to negotiate a reasonable outcome for the US. It didn't take long after he expressed significant tariffs for the whole Canadian government to fall in turmoil. Cause and effect? You can decide that for yourself.

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Why would Trump do that? That would provoke Russia and China. I thought that's not what we do anymore. I'm so confused by what the actual policies are going to be.

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How would it provoke anyone? You do see the difference in this vs. sending money and weapons use to kill thousands of Russian citizens?

I feel this move would let China/Russia know to NOT eff up.

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That last sentence is provocation

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I suppose it could be construed as such, NevilleChamberlainwolf. :B

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so because the guy you like is doing it, it's cool. Good to know.

Oldsouljer said:

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. When was my concern just for Russian citizens again?

Fortunately, we have a real leader in office that will bring an end to this war. A symbol of your people's leadership is on display in California right now.

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I'm on the fence between you both. War needs to end, but not on Putin's (absolute) terms….that would just be setting up the next war after he's regrouped, replenished, and ready to aggress again.

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TBD if it's on Putin's absolute terms.

packgrad said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. When was my concern just for Russian citizens again?

Fortunately, we have a real leader in office that will bring an end to this war. A symbol of your people's leadership is on display in California right now.

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I'm on the fence between you both. War needs to end, but not on Putin's (absolute) terms….that would just be setting up the next war after he's regrouped, replenished, and ready to aggress again.

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TBD if it's on Putin's absolute terms.

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Lol, if you think it won't be then you really haven't been paying attention. In fact, the only reason you care about this Ukraine thing at all is because the right wing fellatiates Putin to keep Trump happy.

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. When was my concern just for Russian citizens again?

Fortunately, we have a real leader in office that will bring an end to this war. A symbol of your people's leadership is on display in California right now.

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But the way, isn't it funny that all of the top GDP per capita states in the country are "blue states"? Meanwhile NC ranks 31st.

Maybe that's why you guys bawl about the economy nonstop. It just never occurred to you that you're the problem.

Blue state leadership. California continues to burn.

Fortunately, America voted a competent leader into office.

FIRE: Eight years after California voters approved a $7.5 billion water bond to construct water storage facilities, not one project has reached completion. Meanwhile, untold millions of gallons of fresh snowmelt and rain continue to flow wastefully into the Pacific Ocean.

h/t… pic.twitter.com/Q5FtnnH35h

— @amuse (@amuse) January 8, 2025

SmaptyWolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Cool story, bro.

Sorry, we missed the part where Ukraine was funding their own war.

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A minute ago your concern was Russian citizens, now it's who's financially helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion?

Which is it?

The war needs to stop due to the loss of human life alone - Ukrainian and Russian citizens and soldiers don't deserve to die because of Putin's imperialist ambitions that also are an attempt for him to distract his people from the sorry state of the Russian economy.

We can all agree the war needs to end and are glad Trump will be helping negotiate its end, even if not in a single phone call because Putin and Zelensky just respect him that much, like he bragged for months.

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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. When was my concern just for Russian citizens again?

Fortunately, we have a real leader in office that will bring an end to this war. A symbol of your people's leadership is on display in California right now.

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I'm on the fence between you both. War needs to end, but not on Putin's (absolute) terms….that would just be setting up the next war after he's regrouped, replenished, and ready to aggress again.

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TBD if it's on Putin's absolute terms.

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Lol, if you think it won't be then you really haven't been paying attention. In fact, the only reason you care about this Ukraine thing at all is because the right wing fellatiates Putin to keep Trump happy.

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The next time you are right on anything concerning international affairs will be the first time.

packgrad said:

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Blue state leadership. California continues to burn.

Fortunately, America voted a competent leader into office.

FIRE: Eight years after California voters approved a $7.5 billion water bond to construct water storage facilities, not one project has reached completion. Meanwhile, untold millions of gallons of fresh snowmelt and rain continue to flow wastefully into the Pacific Ocean.

h/t… pic.twitter.com/Q5FtnnH35h

— @amuse (@amuse) January 8, 2025

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And the LA Fire Department sent surplus equipment to Ukraine.... https://t.co/jeidaYxg0K pic.twitter.com/38UtQNrtvP

— John LeFevre (@JohnLeFevre) January 8, 2025

Bubububut GDP....

packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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Blue state leadership. California continues to burn.

Fortunately, America voted a competent leader into office.

FIRE: Eight years after California voters approved a $7.5 billion water bond to construct water storage facilities, not one project has reached completion. Meanwhile, untold millions of gallons of fresh snowmelt and rain continue to flow wastefully into the Pacific Ocean.

h/t… pic.twitter.com/Q5FtnnH35h

— @amuse (@amuse) January 8, 2025

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And the LA Fire Department sent surplus equipment to Ukraine.... https://t.co/jeidaYxg0K pic.twitter.com/38UtQNrtvP

— John LeFevre (@JohnLeFevre) January 8, 2025

Bubububut GDP....

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Lol, uh huh. Half true talking points from Fox & Friends that you gobble up are obviously a way better metric than GDP to compare how dysfunctional states are.

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What a disaster California is. The sooner they fall off into the ocean the better.

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Really?

Are we really going to have a pros and cons debate on the merits of living in deeply red vs deeply blue states, or even worse, wish ill on tens of millions of Americans?

It's such a divisive approach.

Clearly both have benefits and drawbacks, unique attributes and obvious problems.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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What a disaster California is. The sooner they fall off into the ocean the better.

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Really?

Are we really going to have a pros and cons debate on the merits of living in deeply red vs deeply blue states, or even worse, wish ill on tens of millions of Americans?

It's such a divisive approach.

Clearly both have benefits and drawbacks, unique attributes and obvious problems.

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Easy snowflake, it was a joke. Did you take my invading Canada because of the "Canadian bacon" as the gospel too?

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Gulfstream4 said:

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What a disaster California is. The sooner they fall off into the ocean the better.

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Really?

Are we really going to have a pros and cons debate on the merits of living in deeply red vs deeply blue states, or even worse, wish ill on tens of millions of Americans?

It's such a divisive approach.

Clearly both have benefits and drawbacks, unique attributes and obvious problems.

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It's funny... I'm a North Carolinian living in the NYC metro area, and I basically never hear anyone even give the South a thought, outside of mentioning that one of their family members moved to Florida or whatever.

MAGA types, though, seem obsessed with the idea that "coastal elites" are looking down on them... yet they're the ones constantly spewing bile about New York, California, etc.

Lol, but they're definitely not insecure snowflakes. YOU'RE the snowflake!

What's wild to me is how unprepared the mutual aid structure is and the lack of water supply outside of the hydrant system. Granted, the winds have been so bad, there's really nothing that can be done. But man, it's just feels like a scattered response.

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This ain't a black and white issue, sorry. But you can't stop fires when you have sustained winds over 50mph and gusts up to 90min. Fire doesn't care if you're gay or straight, democrats or republican. DEI has nothing to do with this.

To boil this tragedy into a political talking point t is just a ****ty thing to do

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Remember when Dems lol'd at Western NC for being completely unprepared for flooding? Yeah, me neither.

There's something seriously wrong with these guys.

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broccolipack said:

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I live in Los Angeles. We had 100mph winds and are currently in a drought, so it has been the perfect storm for wildfires. Additionally, the neighborhoods with the most damage are in extremely high-risk zones of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains where frankly, there shouldn't be development (conversation for another day). Perhaps there could have been better preparedness and it could have reduced the damage a bit, but there is really not much you can do in these conditions. Trying to blame "wokeness" because some women work for LAFD is incredibly stupid, that's like blaming tornado damage in Oklahoma on government officials owning guns.

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Better preparedness like functioning water hydrants?

You're right. Totally stupid to expect that.

Hope you can reduce the amount of white male firefighters. Thats not woke at all and certainly a worthy priority.

Zzzzz

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Shouldn't have walked into this cesspool. Have a good day, d*ckhead

SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This ain't a black and white issue, sorry. But you can't stop fires when you have sustained winds over 50mph and gusts up to 90min. Fire doesn't care if you're gay or straight, democrats or republican. DEI has nothing to do with this.

To boil this tragedy into a political talking point t is just a ****ty thing to do

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Remember when Dems lol'd at Western NC for being completely unprepared for flooding? Yeah, me neither.

There's something seriously wrong with these guys.

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Yeah, I think I'm pretty much done here. Which I'm sure will be celebrated. I've tried to post things that are at least legit conversation points for both sides but those get ignored for dumb hyperbole. It's just not interesting anymore.

broccolipack said:

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packgrad said:

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broccolipack said:

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I live in Los Angeles. We had 100mph winds and are currently in a drought, so it has been the perfect storm for wildfires. Additionally, the neighborhoods with the most damage are in extremely high-risk zones of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains where frankly, there shouldn't be development (conversation for another day). Perhaps there could have been better preparedness and it could have reduced the damage a bit, but there is really not much you can do in these conditions. Trying to blame "wokeness" because some women work for LAFD is incredibly stupid, that's like blaming tornado damage in Oklahoma on government officials owning guns.

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Better preparedness like functioning water hydrants?

You're right. Totally stupid to expect that.

Hope you can reduce the amount of white male firefighters. Thats not woke at all and certainly a worthy priority.

Zzzzz

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Shouldn't have walked into this cesspool. Have a good day, d*ckhead

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You too, ****face.

Hilarious. Poor hokie.

broccolipack said:

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I live in Los Angeles. We had 100mph winds and are currently in a drought, so it has been the perfect storm for wildfires. Additionally, the neighborhoods with the most damage are in extremely high-risk zones of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains where frankly, there shouldn't be development (conversation for another day). Perhaps there could have been better preparedness and it could have reduced the damage a bit, but there is really not much you can do in these conditions. Trying to blame "wokeness" because some women work for LAFD is incredibly stupid, that's like blaming tornado damage in Oklahoma on government officials owning guns.

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It must be climate change!

caryking said:

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broccolipack said:

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I live in Los Angeles. We had 100mph winds and are currently in a drought, so it has been the perfect storm for wildfires. Additionally, the neighborhoods with the most damage are in extremely high-risk zones of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel mountains where frankly, there shouldn't be development (conversation for another day). Perhaps there could have been better preparedness and it could have reduced the damage a bit, but there is really not much you can do in these conditions. Trying to blame "wokeness" because some women work for LAFD is incredibly stupid, that's like blaming tornado damage in Oklahoma on government officials owning guns.

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It must be climate change!

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Right, climate change is only real when you want to invade Greenland... gotta protect those new sea lanes that are opening up!

But it's definitely not real when Western NC and California are getting wiped off the map by increasingly insane droughts and storms.

I'm sure this all makes sense in your obviously lead-poisoned brains.

Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Trump wouldn't rule out using military force against a NATO ally to get Greenland today. What a knee-slapper!

Gonna be a long, stupid four years.

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Can anyone on here explain the thinly veiled genius of Trump saber-rattling about Greenland and the Panama Canal and making America's hat a 51st state, all three of which being issues that wouldn't even remotely be on the radar of any other sane politician on the planet?

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Owning both would give the U. S. significant strategic advantages.

War is coming with China at some point.

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I agree with you 200%, I think there is some sort of a message being delivered to the CCP. Also, the British Royals - I believe - have a stake in Canada and are key members of the Global Cabal.