It's not surprising you don't get the point t.

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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ok conspiracywolf

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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ok conspiracywolf

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RINOs got strapped over the back of the mule and the mule was slapped on the a$$ and run out of town. Stay there.

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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ok conspiracywolf

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RINOs got strapped over the back of the mule and the mule was slapped on the a$$ and run out of town. Stay there.

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whens JFK Jr coming back?

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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ok conspiracywolf

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RINOs got strapped over the back of the mule and the mule was slapped on the a$$ and run out of town. Stay there.

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whens JFK Jr coming back?

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Gobbler, you and your kind got stomped out of the party. Good riddance..... and don't come back.

No really, when is JFK Jr coming back to life?

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No really, when is JFK Jr coming back to life?

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#Gobbler thinks he's got a winner, LOL. Maybe you do, we'll see. You've lost on everything else, my friend. You just need a war with Russia to bat .050.

I can’t take a position on the visas until Catturd weighs in

— Three Year Letterman (@3YearLetterman) December 28, 2024

Can we do something about this, @elonmusk ?

The "Mother" of All Port Problems in America?
The Outdated Jones Act.

Really, does the U.S. need to be protected by laws that only hand the entire maritime industry, from ports, to shipbuilding, to shipping anywhere domestically… pic.twitter.com/ywu5D085uL

— Alex Panagopulos (@AlexPanagopulos) December 29, 2024

Trump in 2016 said we should end H1-B visas

Trump:

"I know the H1-B very well, I shouldn't be allowed to use it. We shouldn't have it. It is very, very bad and unfair for our workers and it should be ended" pic.twitter.com/04yWzJktnq

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 29, 2024

"We The People", prepare yourself.

https://rumble.com/v63qh5j-sheriff-mack-the-mandate-is-clear-we-the-people-can-join-a-posse-to-help-wi.html

Runtime: 43:37 - useful/informative discussion regarding the legal importance of sheriffs and their ability to restore order in their counties, to include deputizing citizens to provide the sheriffs with the manpower necessary to effect positive change.

No… RFK Jr doesn’t want to End the Polio Vaccine, but something Sinister Emerged — The Newest Polio Vaccine contains Replicating Monkey Kidney Cells, and only Received 3 DAYS of Safety Testing, with NO Control Group, before Licensing!

• The New York Times, purposely and… pic.twitter.com/IaeGz12Ma8

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) December 28, 2024

The real problem with Visa's are the use cases. If we want to use them for high skilled positions, then that is probably ok. If we use them for cleaning, etc… then that looks to be a misuse of them.

Also, if they are used to cheapen labor, then, that is definitely an issue.

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Lololol. Make up your minds guys, your either America first or we need more H1B visas because Americans are mediocre.

This is why I find populism so abhorrent. It stands for nothing except the mob flavor of the day.

There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have. We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers. https://t.co/fIGr45C3LD

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) December 26, 2024

🚨Just in: President Trump supports the H-1B Program: “I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program.”

Via: NYP pic.twitter.com/LAf1eeLSWq

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) December 28, 2024

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See above. I would prefer our workforce being American; however, if there is a need, then do it.

Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

In the early 2000's, I left the stock market because it never made sense. When everyone started losing money, in the manufactured financial crises, in the late 2000's, I was steady as a rock. Yes, everything did normalize; however, it took massive bailouts for that to happen. I wasn't a fan of it. BTW, I'm sure Trump would have supported those bailouts and I would have disagreed with him. Just like I disagreed with Trump on the COVID bailouts.

I know I'm in the minority on this…. I believe in this thing called "Moral Hazard"

lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequence's

In my business adventures, I've personally made money and lost money. Heck, one venture cost me 500K. It's part of the risk I take being in business…. People need to take whatever risk they are comfortable taking and deal with the consequences.

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

I'm very glad that Trump supporters are pushing back hard against Elon and Vivek (and Trump, if necessary) on the issue of H1-B visas. I think I saw where Elon is already softening his stance in favor of H1-B visas since this big push back from the base, with Elon acknowledging that reform of the use of H1-B visas is needed.

This clearly demonstrates that the MAGA movement is NOT a "Trump cult". If Trump betrays his promises and what he campaigned on, we are going to call him out and oppose those measures where he goes against what he campaigned on.

MAGA is based on principle. It is based on policies -- ie, stopping the illegal alien invasion, actually putting the American people first, pro 1st and 2nd Amendment, etc. It is based on actually implementing those policies. If Trump betrays those policies, then he is also our enemy.

caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

I respect and support President Trump, but his endorsement of Mike Johnson is going to work out about as well as his endorsement of Speaker Paul Ryan. We’ve seen Johnson partner with the democrats to send money to Ukraine, authorize spying on Americans, and blow the budget. pic.twitter.com/6Y7GAkcBzJ

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) December 30, 2024

hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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LOL, you lose daily….embarrassed yourself for 2-3 years here now. You are extinct ….squashed from the new MAGA Republican Party.

Good riddance

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where am I going? Am I not a "Real American" now?

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Get in your little sandbox with Nappy......play some checkers there until we fix the mess your 'types' made. We'll let you know when to come out.

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ok conspiracywolf

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Ok, gotta hand it to ya, that's funny.

caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

In the early 2000's, I left the stock market because it never made sense. When everyone started losing money, in the manufactured financial crises, in the late 2000's, I was steady as a rock. Yes, everything did normalize; however, it took massive bailouts for that to happen. I wasn't a fan of it. BTW, I'm sure Trump would have supported those bailouts and I would have disagreed with him. Just like I disagreed with Trump on the COVID bailouts.

I know I'm in the minority on this…. I believe in this thing called "Moral Hazard"

lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequence's

In my business adventures, I've personally made money and lost money. Heck, one venture cost me 500K. It's part of the risk I take being in business…. People need to take whatever risk they are comfortable taking and deal with the consequences.

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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The antithesis of Populism is Responsibility. Which everyone seems to be running away from to blame this homogeneous structure of "elites" that doesn't exist, for different set of elites who have run with your worst fears in order to benefit their pockets and protect their industries.

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

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That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

In the early 2000's, I left the stock market because it never made sense. When everyone started losing money, in the manufactured financial crises, in the late 2000's, I was steady as a rock. Yes, everything did normalize; however, it took massive bailouts for that to happen. I wasn't a fan of it. BTW, I'm sure Trump would have supported those bailouts and I would have disagreed with him. Just like I disagreed with Trump on the COVID bailouts.

I know I'm in the minority on this…. I believe in this thing called "Moral Hazard" lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequence's

In my business adventures, I've personally made money and lost money. Heck, one venture cost me 500K. It's part of the risk I take being in business…. People need to take whatever risk they are comfortable taking and deal with the consequences.

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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The antithesis of Populism is Responsibility. Which everyone seems to be running away from to blame this homogeneous structure of "elites" that doesn't exist.

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Hokie…

a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

It has absolutely nothing to do with responsibility. I'm not sure what media is cycling this stuff through your head, but, it's just not true.

On most policies, you and I agree; however, I believe the world is separated between elites and everyone else. Now, within each group, they can be on either side of the policy spectrum, meaning left and right.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

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That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

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Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

---

You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

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Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

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The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

caryking said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

In the early 2000's, I left the stock market because it never made sense. When everyone started losing money, in the manufactured financial crises, in the late 2000's, I was steady as a rock. Yes, everything did normalize; however, it took massive bailouts for that to happen. I wasn't a fan of it. BTW, I'm sure Trump would have supported those bailouts and I would have disagreed with him. Just like I disagreed with Trump on the COVID bailouts.

I know I'm in the minority on this…. I believe in this thing called "Moral Hazard" lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequence's

In my business adventures, I've personally made money and lost money. Heck, one venture cost me 500K. It's part of the risk I take being in business…. People need to take whatever risk they are comfortable taking and deal with the consequences.

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

---

The antithesis of Populism is Responsibility. Which everyone seems to be running away from to blame this homogeneous structure of "elites" that doesn't exist.

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Hokie…

a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

It has absolutely nothing to do with responsibility. I'm not sure what media is cycling this stuff through your head, but, it's just not true.

On most policies, you and I agree; however, I believe the world is separated between elites and everyone else. Now, within each group, they can be on either side of the policy spectrum, meaning left and right.

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I am not ruled by a ruling class. Roping everyone into the same category of "elite" except the ones that pander to you is something. That's some Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov **** man. You like Vivek Ramaswamy, correct? Ever look and see how he became a billionaire?

This is absolutely terrible for Americans!

https://dnyuz.com/2024/12/29/arizonas-tiny-taipei-how-a-taiwanese-chip-factory-seeded-a-community/

How dare these people come to America and start new businesses and become part of the community they live in! It so un-American! Real Patriots should be running the Thai restaurants and bakeries!

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

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Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

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The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

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Lol, riiiiiiight. It's truly a marvel how this revisionist "the gubmint did it!" nonsense that Wall Street pushed to avoid any accountability whatsoever for blowing up the planet quickly became right wing dogma.

No, it was ill-advised deregulation of the financial industry that resulted in Mortgage-Backed Securities being packed with total crap (largely by GOING AROUND Fannie and Freddie), and then turned into a nuclear weapon by Credit Default Swaps and Synthetic CDOs. It was those derivatives that nearly caused global economic Armageddon, making a massive taxpayer bailout absolutely mandatory.

As Cary loves to remind everyone again and again, I was there. This was 100% on Wall Street. Toward the end Fannie and Freddie made bad decisions as a result of losing market share to the crap bubble, but the fuse had already been lit well before that.

"I can see around the corner, and I know you're comin, if you had any sense you'd run/Cause you ain't got a clue what a Daddy will do, better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun...Better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun." https://t.co/pfkm5t43Bl

— John Rich🇺🇸 (@johnrich) December 24, 2024

SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

---

You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

---

I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

---

Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

---

The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

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Lol, riiiiiiight. It's truly a marvel how this revisionist "the gubmint did it!" nonsense that Wall Street pushed to avoid any accountability whatsoever for blowing up the planet quickly became right wing dogma.

No, it was ill-advised deregulation of the financial industry that resulted in Mortgage-Backed Securities being packed with total crap (largely by GOING AROUND Fannie and Freddie), and then turned into a nuclear weapon by Credit Default Swaps and Synthetic CDOs. It was those derivatives that nearly caused global economic Armageddon, making a massive taxpayer bailout absolutely mandatory.

As Cary loves to remind everyone again and again, I was there. This was 100% on Wall Street. Toward the end Fannie and Freddie made bad decisions as a result of losing market share to the crap bubble, but the fuse had already been lit well before that.

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it was both, and it was still the governments fault because they loosened the regulations and the requirements for loans.

hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

---

You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

---

I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

---

Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

---

The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

---

Lol, riiiiiiight. It's truly a marvel how this revisionist "the gubmint did it!" nonsense that Wall Street pushed to avoid any accountability whatsoever for blowing up the planet quickly became right wing dogma.

No, it was ill-advised deregulation of the financial industry that resulted in Mortgage-Backed Securities being packed with total crap (largely by GOING AROUND Fannie and Freddie), and then turned into a nuclear weapon by Credit Default Swaps and Synthetic CDOs. It was those derivatives that nearly caused global economic Armageddon, making a massive taxpayer bailout absolutely mandatory.

As Cary loves to remind everyone again and again, I was there. This was 100% on Wall Street. Toward the end Fannie and Freddie made bad decisions as a result of losing market share to the crap bubble, but the fuse had already been lit well before that.

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it was both, and it was still the governments fault because they loosened the regulations and the requirements for loans.

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It was certainly the government's fault for relaxing various regulations, but it was largely subprime loans and other crap that went around federal requirement guidelines that packed the MBS's and set the stage for disaster. Ultimately Fannie and Freddie only got 30% of the TARP bailout money.

The point is that many right wingers pretend that the free market is a magical thing that needs to be left alone so it can solve all of our problems. The reality is that it's more like fire... a powerful force of nature that will immediately burn your house down if you don't keep it in the fireplace. Amazing that having the global economy almost implode still wasn't enough to drive this lesson home for some folks.

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

...

That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

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Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

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The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

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So, you admit…. Populism can have a liberal and conservative view?

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Hokie, MAGA is a simple phrase of thinking about the US first. Populism is nothing more than a call to action against the Elite in Government. Those Elites create a system with private sector companies to enrich each other.

Middle class people, that includes you, are subjugated to a ruling class, whether in governmental power or not.

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That said, Polpulism is nothing more than the antithesis to Elitism. Pick your side…

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You do realize you're quoting Karl Marx, right? Like almost literally.

Leaving aside that Marx's economic theories to deal with the "elites/private sector" thing are easily refutable nonsense, I wonder if you realize that your "getting rid of the all regulations will somehow make the private sector (who are the ones doing the corrupting) less powerful and abusive" solution to solve that problem is even stupider?

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I think there is a need for good, sound government regulations. But, get rid of the stupid protectionist **** that chooses winners and losers and I'm on board. Unfortunately, both sides have no appetite to make that change, otherwise the Jones Act would be fired into the sun by now.

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Protectionist, as you like to call things, absolutely does not pick winners and losers. Was it protectionist populist, as you call them, that bailed out the financial institutions in the late 200's?

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The government bailout had to happen because the government caused the issue in the first place by being in the business of mortgage lending and also insisting that there would be less restrictions so that people who have no business having a mortgage got a mortgage.

In that case, it was the opposite. The populist mob wanted less restrictions on lending to allow for lower income folks to get home loans in an effort to make it "affordable".

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Lol, riiiiiiight. It's truly a marvel how this revisionist "the gubmint did it!" nonsense that Wall Street pushed to avoid any accountability whatsoever for blowing up the planet quickly became right wing dogma.

No, it was ill-advised deregulation of the financial industry that resulted in Mortgage-Backed Securities being packed with total crap (largely by GOING AROUND Fannie and Freddie), and then turned into a nuclear weapon by Credit Default Swaps and Synthetic CDOs. It was those derivatives that nearly caused global economic Armageddon, making a massive taxpayer bailout absolutely mandatory.

As Cary loves to remind everyone again and again, I was there. This was 100% on Wall Street. Toward the end Fannie and Freddie made bad decisions as a result of losing market share to the crap bubble, but the fuse had already been lit well before that.

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it was both, and it was still the governments fault because they loosened the regulations and the requirements for loans.

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For such a purist… why should government have any loan regulations? Let a financial institution make loans as they see fit. If they lose, well… they lose!