Steve Videtich said:

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What makes the most common sense here: A massive voter fraud scheme that lacks the evidence to launch a trial or investigation, or, another example of Trump being a sore loser? It's the KISS principle in action.

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Exactly!
Was there a call for violence? No
Has anyone been found guilty of insurrection? No
Did people make stupid decisions? Yep
Have other politicians said that previous elections were stolen? Yep
KISS

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I'm not listening to Trump on this anymore. I'm listening to local people in each State. They are the ones, on the ground, going through all the data. Even at that, people are saying yes and no, on the election fraud.

I think it's interesting that the rhetoric, on both sides of the issue, at the local level, is so different. People, on both sides, are convinced about their beliefs…

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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I don't know. How many are counted in your calculation?

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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I don't know. How many are counted in your calculation?

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Somewhere in that 1.4 million/0.75% range for spoilt votes of all types, same as every other election.

https://gettr.com/post/p1919zb081c

Been right about Foxnews and Newsmax but wrong to think Tucker had full control of his content. He doesn't!

Looks like many people have claims of stolen elections!

Biden's new WH press secretary claimed Trump, GA Gov. Kemp 'stole' elections

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-wh-press-secretary-brian-kemp-stacey-abrams

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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I don't know. How many are counted in your calculation?

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Somewhere in that 1.4 million/0.75% range for spoilt votes of all types, same as every other election.

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None of what you proclaim has been adjudicated in a court, has it?

caryking said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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I don't know. How many are counted in your calculation?

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Somewhere in that 1.4 million/0.75% range for spoilt votes of all types, same as every other election.

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None of what you proclaim has been adjudicated in a court, has it?

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Yes it has. Deliberate electoral fraud is a crime and is treated as such when there's evidence of it. It's just extraordinarily rare.

The overwhelming preponderance of spoilt votes are non-criminal, mostly unintentional procedural issues.

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-insider-blows-the-whistle-on-fixed-elections-at-the-local-level-video/

ARIZONA whistleblower MULE operations operative

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Seems legit.

BTW, people should stop with the wondering "if Amtrak Joe could have really received more votes than any President in the history of America" bit.

First, America's population is growing at a clip of a few million people every year so it's obvious that more people will vote in elections now than decades ago. 40 million people voted in 1932 and 160 million voted in 2020, with fairly linear progress from one number to the other. You're only really competing for "most ever!!11" with the last couple of elections. Only 4 out of the last 23 presidential elections had fewer people vote than the previous election.

Second, Trump is very popular amongst his base, but he's also very divisive. That created an electoral climate where both he and his opponent had historic turnout. That's not surprising given growing electorate trends, the current political climate, and Trump being the biggest lightning rod of a president in history.

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Illegal's aren't supposed to vote, Civ…

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And how many did?

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I don't know. How many are counted in your calculation?

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Somewhere in that 1.4 million/0.75% range for spoilt votes of all types, same as every other election.

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None of what you proclaim has been adjudicated in a court, has it?

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Yes it has. Deliberate electoral fraud is a crime and is treated as such when there's evidence of it. It's just extraordinarily rare.

The overwhelming preponderance of spoilt votes are non-criminal, mostly unintentional procedural issues.

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Hey, you may be right…

ELECTION FRAUD ONLY HURT TRUMP, ONLY IN BATTLEGROUND STATES! NO FRAUD ANYWHERE ELSE!

You guys are pathetic. Get some new material.

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ELECTION FRAUD ONLY HURT TRUMP, ONLY IN BATTLEGROUND STATES! NO FRAUD ANYWHERE ELSE!

You guys are pathetic. Get some new material.

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Lol, so you are back again for another of your quick little hit and runs? Or did the '07 trigger alarm go off again?

PackBacker07 said:

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ELECTION FRAUD ONLY HURT TRUMP, ONLY IN BATTLEGROUND STATES! NO FRAUD ANYWHERE ELSE!

You guys are pathetic. Get some new material.

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Actually, Colorado and Nevada are said to be full of fraud. Not Trump States! Go read some other news!!

PackBacker07 said:

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ELECTION FRAUD ONLY HURT TRUMP, ONLY IN BATTLEGROUND STATES! NO FRAUD ANYWHERE ELSE!

You guys are pathetic. Get some new material.

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https://gettr.com/post/p19ltsv56fa

Voting Systems Used Across the Country Have Functionality (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/huge-exclusive-voting-systems-used-across-country-functionality-create-ballots-fill/) to Create Ballots and Fill Them Out Why Are They Allowed?

This past week auditors in New Mexico identified that the voting systems used in the counties under review have the ability to fill in ballots. This was noted in the presentation before officials in Otero County, New Mexico. We then learned earlier today that a prior New York state investigation identified malicious code that could do this.

In addition to this, we identified other system issues within the voting systems. According to the Dominion website, its election system has the ability to print ballots.

The feature is explained in the Dominion Voting Systems manual on page 30 HERE (https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/VotingSystems/DVS-DemocracySuite511/documentation/UG-ICC-UserGuide-5-11-CO.pdf).

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/huge-exclusive-voting-systems-used-across-country-functionality-create-ballots-fill/)

https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find truth.

Werewolf said:

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Werewolf said:

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Civ, you have an opinion based on a court. I get it. It's a sound place to be. Regardless, evidence is evidence that would be played out in a court, if a court would actually hear the evidence. That said, all of this, in my opinion, should be used to have state legislatures make new election laws to clean up the process. If that happens, which I'm not sure it will, then on to the next election.

caryking said:

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Civ, you have an opinion based on a court. I get it. It's a sound place to be. Regardless, evidence is evidence that would be played out in a court, if a court would actually hear the evidence. That said, all of this, in my opinion, should be used to have state legislatures make new election laws to clean up the process. If that happens, which I'm not sure it will, then on to the next election.

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Morning Cary!

The fundamental disconnect here is that there's all this talk of "cleaning up the process" when there's not really evidence it's "dirty."

If you're not seeing evidence of fraud and courts aren't either, "cleaning up the process" reads more like "limiting voter access to the polls because we lost the last election" than truly well-intentioned efforts to improve election security.

Younger people, low-income people, minorities, and those without access to transportation are those most impacted by hollow attempts to "clean up" a process that's not dirty. Who do younger, lower-income, minority voters typically vote for? That's where so much of the distrust originates about the motivations to "clean up" the process. It's not demonstrably "dirty," and the people whose access to polls gets more restricted don't help the party that wants to "clean up" the process.

Voter ID laws are fine and supportable if implemented in a way that's not regressive.

Beyond that what, specifically, are we really talking about?

Mail-in and absentee ballots weren't new to the 2020 election. They've been around for decades, with there being no evidence that they consequentially increase spoiled or fraudulent votes.

Also, whatever issues do occur don't help one party over the other. Of the 16 states where more than half of voters voted by mail in the last presidential election, Trump won nine.

The only thing that changed in 2020 was the rhetoric surrounding mail-in. Unsurprisingly, Trump's myriad repeated falsehoods about the security of mail-in (and election fraud in general) has left the American public, especially tens of millions on the right, with a false sense of how secure mail-in/absentee balloting, and our elections generally, are.

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Civ, you have an opinion based on a court. I get it. It's a sound place to be. Regardless, evidence is evidence that would be played out in a court, if a court would actually hear the evidence. That said, all of this, in my opinion, should be used to have state legislatures make new election laws to clean up the process. If that happens, which I'm not sure it will, then on to the next election.

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Younger people, low-income people, minorities, and those without access to transportation are those most impacted by hollow attempts to "clean up" a process that's not dirty. Who do younger, lower-income, minority voters typically vote for? That's where so much of the distrust originates about the motivations to "clean up" the process. It's not demonstrably "dirty," and the people whose access to polls gets more restricted don't help the party that wants to "clean up" the process.

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This is the argument that I always have an issue with when it comes to voting law discussion. How it affects those with less resources. If you feel strongly enough about the election that it's important to you to cast your vote. Then find a way to get to a drop box or a voting booth to cast your ballot.

People have public transportation, a friend with a car, and hell, Rideshare services actually give you a free ride to vote. There is no excuse anybody has not to be able to cast their vote. None! Arguments like this do nothing but make excuses and give credence to the rhetoric of the right.

The left leaning folks caused many of these issues with many of their 11th hour behind the scenes changes in local voting laws. Add in the antics of Zuckerberg and his "special" drop boxes and its easy to see why there is distrust. And yes, it's the fault of the right for allowing these changes to happen and not fight them in court when it did. But, stop with the MSM media narrative that this is against minorities.

All of these new laws have cleaned things up and tried to remove some of the gray areas that draw the most questions. What is wrong with that?

^ I think I'll move back over the ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN so I can get back over to the truth. I don't know why RAV and OANN are making so many things up. :-)

Jack Posobiec asked:

The cameras were always on the drop boxes. Why didn't the RNC do anything about this for 2 years?


Brian Cates responded:

The GOP establishment didn't do anything about the ballot box racketeering by Democrats in 2020 because the state GOP RINOS in many states fix their own primaries to handpick the winners using election fraud themselves.

To expose the Democrat's election fraud toolbox would cause them to have to give up their own election fraud toolbox.

Rigging their own primaries is so important to the RINOs they turned a blind eye to it when Democrats stepped up their election fraud to unprecedented levels to steal it from Trump.

Steve Videtich said:

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Civ, you have an opinion based on a court. I get it. It's a sound place to be. Regardless, evidence is evidence that would be played out in a court, if a court would actually hear the evidence. That said, all of this, in my opinion, should be used to have state legislatures make new election laws to clean up the process. If that happens, which I'm not sure it will, then on to the next election.

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Younger people, low-income people, minorities, and those without access to transportation are those most impacted by hollow attempts to "clean up" a process that's not dirty. Who do younger, lower-income, minority voters typically vote for? That's where so much of the distrust originates about the motivations to "clean up" the process. It's not demonstrably "dirty," and the people whose access to polls gets more restricted don't help the party that wants to "clean up" the process.

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This is the argument that I always have an issue with when it comes to voting law discussion. How it affects those with less resources. If you feel strongly enough about the election that it's important to you to cast your vote. Then find a way to get to a drop box or a voting booth to cast your ballot.

People have public transportation, a friend with a car, and hell, Rideshare services actually give you a free ride to vote. There is no excuse anybody has not to be able to cast their vote. None! Arguments like this do nothing but make excuses and give credence to the rhetoric of the right.

The left leaning folks caused many of these issues with many of their 11th hour behind the scenes changes in local voting laws. Add in the antics of Zuckerberg and his "special" drop boxes and its easy to see why there is distrust. And yes, it's the fault of the right for allowing these changes to happen and not fight them in court when it did. But, stop with the MSM media narrative that this is against minorities.

All of these new laws have cleaned things up and tried to remove some of the gray areas that draw the most questions. What is wrong with that?

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What specific gray areas or questions are you talking about?

Vote drop boxes that are not run by the proper voting authorities, and secured by the same authorities. Electioneering outside voting sites. Better regulation of vote counting and handling of mail in ballots, and verification of the votes. Just to name a few.

These are the areas that created the most questions and were accused of being the culprits. If we can close these loops, there should be less complaining. And why is it that these are the only states that get attacked, when many of the traditionally blue states have more restrictive voting laws?

2000 Mules is easy to understand, Maria Zack's Earth Shattering Testimony - Kansas Senate Hearing explores the digital code theft from topics touching on Italy, O'Bama, death threats, assassinations, highspeed car chases, China, Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia and Kansas.

https://rumble.com/vxil0v-maria-zacks-earth-shattering-testimony-kansas-senate-hearing.html

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https://americasvoice.news/video/7jC7LHhkYqpfOmA

Here''s a clip of an interview of an Arizona candidate for Secretary of State. He speaks of 200,000+ ballots in AZ that were supposedly mailed ........NOT folded. A ballot doesn't fit in the envelop unfolded. He also speaks of 900,000 ballots without proper chain of custody. He speaks of security guard at counting center in Phoenix finding tables of ballots being prepared in a cordoned back room… They discuss safe houses and mules shown in 2000 MULES.

FoxNEWS and Newsmax do not provide uncensored news………..they provide CENSORED news. Even Tucker Carlson's show would not allow the words "2000 MULES" to be spoken.

REAL AMERICA's VOICE and ONE AMERICA NEWS……….to find tru

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Rudy Giuliani and Sid Powell spoke of things that made them look like circus clowns too.

Massive chasm between speaking of something and there being actual evidence of something.

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Civ, you have an opinion based on a court. I get it. It's a sound place to be. Regardless, evidence is evidence that would be played out in a court, if a court would actually hear the evidence. That said, all of this, in my opinion, should be used to have state legislatures make new election laws to clean up the process. If that happens, which I'm not sure it will, then on to the next election.

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Morning Cary!

The fundamental disconnect here is that there's all this talk of "cleaning up the process" when there's not really evidence it's "dirty."

If you're not seeing evidence of fraud and courts aren't either, "cleaning up the process" reads more like "limiting voter access to the polls because we lost the last election" than truly well-intentioned efforts to improve election security.

Younger people, low-income people, minorities, and those without access to transportation are those most impacted by hollow attempts to "clean up" a process that's not dirty. Who do younger, lower-income, minority voters typically vote for? That's where so much of the distrust originates about the motivations to "clean up" the process. It's not demonstrably "dirty," and the people whose access to polls gets more restricted don't help the party that wants to "clean up" the process.

Voter ID laws are fine and supportable if implemented in a way that's not regressive.

Beyond that what, specifically, are we really talking about?

Mail-in and absentee ballots weren't new to the 2020 election. They've been around for decades, with there being no evidence that they consequentially increase spoiled or fraudulent votes.

Also, whatever issues do occur don't help one party over the other. Of the 16 states where more than half of voters voted by mail in the last presidential election, Trump won nine.

The only thing that changed in 2020 was the rhetoric surrounding mail-in. Unsurprisingly, Trump's myriad repeated falsehoods about the security of mail-in (and election fraud in general) has left the American public, especially tens of millions on the right, with a false sense of how secure mail-in/absentee balloting, and our elections generally, are.

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Actually, I've never heard a single person say they don't want to count all legal votes. Congressional people, in numerous States, believe something was amiss and want election law changes. It's their state and I believe in a representative country, that's where these decisions should be done.

You know... people have more in common at the closest level: family, church, neighborhood, city, county, state, etc... You and I have have more commonalities with each other than You, I and people living in San Fransisco.