caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Civ, County's and States all over the country have people (both Dems and Repub's) coming out taking about fraudulent activities.

Mot people mocked Rudy Giuliani's work, back in early 2021. Even more people have come out since all that work was done...

I don't think you have to worry about secretive RINO's!

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To be fair, Giuliani's worked deserves to be mocked. It was hackish at best.

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Hawkish so much that people keep coming out with the same story's within the affidavits he got.

In other words, his work was fraudulent?

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Nope, he's a hack who didn't look at the information he was collecting in any positive way nor as an advisor to the President did he not go on the attack before the election. Rudy should have just been good being America's Mayor, but he's turned into a cartoon character and that distracts him from the work he should have been doing.

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Hokie, so Rudy gets engaged prior to the inauguration finding facts, all other the place. Yea, whatever…

So, let me ask…. do you think his affidavits were fraud perpetrated on the country? These affidavits that said people saw election fraud.

And, if Rudy's affidavit's we're fraud, what do you think about the affidavits received by multiple county officials (not involved with Rudy) from people saying the same thing?

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Rudy came out with Hunter Biden's laptop before anyone else did and that was before the election. He gave it to the FBI in December of 2019. Just because the main stream media and big tech censored everything about that, doesn't mean it wasn't true. Rudy was right about the election fraud too. Rudy may have not been the best spokes person to lead the effort, but he was correct in everything he asserted.

caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Civ, County's and States all over the country have people (both Dems and Repub's) coming out taking about fraudulent activities.

Mot people mocked Rudy Giuliani's work, back in early 2021. Even more people have come out since all that work was done...

I don't think you have to worry about secretive RINO's!

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To be fair, Giuliani's worked deserves to be mocked. It was hackish at best.

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Hawkish so much that people keep coming out with the same story's within the affidavits he got.

In other words, his work was fraudulent?

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Nope, he's a hack who didn't look at the information he was collecting in any positive way nor as an advisor to the President did he not go on the attack before the election. Rudy should have just been good being America's Mayor, but he's turned into a cartoon character and that distracts him from the work he should have been doing.

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Hokie, so Rudy gets engaged prior to the inauguration finding facts, all other the place. Yea, whatever…

So, let me ask…. do you think his affidavits were fraud perpetrated on the country? These affidavits that said people saw election fraud.

And, if Rudy's affidavit's we're fraud, what do you think about the affidavits received by multiple county officials (not involved with Rudy) from people saying the same thing?

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Rudy came out with Hunter Biden's laptop before anyone else did and that was before the election. He gave it to the FBI in December of 2019. Just because the main stream media and big tech censored everything about that, doesn't mean it wasn't true. Rudy was right about the election fraud too. Rudy may have not been the best spokes person to lead the effort, but he was correct in everything he asserted.

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Come on drummer, you know a hack like Rudy couldn't do anything like that, right?

Hokie, was Rudy a hack when delivering the laptop to the FBI?

DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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And this is where Rudy had an opportunity and didn't execute. Because he's a shell of himself and wants attention. And yes, he almost did the right thing with the laptop, he should have never possessed it.

Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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Okay...

Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

hokiewolf said:

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And this is where Rudy had an opportunity and didn't execute. Because he's a shell of himself and wants attention. And yes, he almost did the right thing with the laptop, he should have never possessed it.

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Why should he have never possessed it? The shop owner and his lawyer tried to get the FBI to come get the laptop and the FBI wouldn't or couldn't be bothered with it because at the upper levels they are as corrupt as the rest of the Cabal. So after waiting on the FBI for several months, the shop owner and his lawyer gave it to Rudy. Rudy as a lawyer and a former Federal prosecutor has a duty to report crimes if there is evidence and there was evidence of crimes against children on that laptop. Not even mentioning the trail of corruption of the Biden Crime family business dealings. So you tell me why he should never have possessed it except the FBI did not do their job.

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

---

Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

---

Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

---

The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

---

I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

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The problem with this approach Cary is that it's really easy to get in echo chambers online or on your media outlet of choice and convince yourself that you're getting the complete, substantiated picture.

The "show me some evidence in court" standard rises above all that noise. Talk is cheap, especially in a political arena where everyone is posturing for something.

Look at what happened when MTG was testifying last week and denied wanting Congress to vote against certifying Biden as the 2020 election winner. We all know this was a direct contradiction of her position for the prior 18 months. Why did she flip-flop and likely perjure herself?

All of a sudden when there are adults in the room and actual rules and repercussions for saying inane and baseless ****, people change their tune. Giuliani and Sid Powell will change their tune in their billion dollar civil suit testimony also.

Even though I feel very strongly that measures that restrict polling access are highly regressive and discriminatory, I'm almost to the point where I would prefer that the US take a European approach and either make Election days holidays or do it on a Sunday and essentially require that all voting be in person.

If we did this and Trump still loses in 2024, do you really in your heart of hearts believe that there would be an about-face and Trump would respectfully and graciously concede? We all know that's not what would happen. There would be some other reason concocted why the election was stolen.

This was always about a child in the White House that couldn't stand the thought of losing. It was never about electoral security.

Here is an interview with John Paul Mac Isaac. He explains the whole scenario to Breitbart. I was wrong on Rudy getting it in 2019, that is when he gave it to the FBI and waited 9 months before giving it to Rudy. Sorry I was wrong on some of the dates.

This is from the source itself. It's a long read, but very eye opening.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/27/nolte-hunter-biden-laptop-whistleblower-john-paul-mac-isaac-the-breitbart-news-interview/

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

---

Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

---

Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

---

The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

---

I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

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The problem with this approach Cary is that it's really easy to get in echo chambers online or on your media outlet of choice and convince yourself that you're getting the complete, substantiated picture.

The "show me some evidence in court" standard rises above all that noise. Talk is cheap, especially in a political arena where everyone is posturing for something.

Look at what happened when MTG was testifying last week and denied wanting Congress to vote against certifying Biden as the 2020 election winner. We all know this was a direct contradiction of her position for the prior 18 months. Why did she flip-flop and likely perjure herself?

All of a sudden when there are adults in the room and actual rules and repercussions for saying inane and baseless ****, people change their tune. Giuliani and Sid Powell will change their tune in their billion dollar civil suit testimony also.

Even though I feel very strongly that measures that restrict polling access are highly regressive and discriminatory, I'm almost to the point where I would prefer that the US take a European approach and either make Election days holidays or do it on a Sunday and essentially require that all voting be in person.

If we did this and Trump still loses in 2024, do you really in your heart of hearts believe that there would be an about-face and Trump would respectfully and graciously concede? We all know that's not what would happen. There would be some other reason concocted why the election was stolen.

This was always about a child in the White House that couldn't stand the thought of losing. It was never about electoral security.

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Civ, I understand your point about the complete picture. Looking at information and building an opinion is just that, an opinion. That said, evidence has to be collected and presented. Based on the evidence I've seen, we had substantial fraud! If you can provide evidence to counter that, please do so. BTW, your courts position is extremely weak because most didn't rule on evidence.

Regarding MTG, should I take the same standard regarding media?

Election standards - I am all in favor of States doing what they feel is in the best of all residence. As a residence of NC, I want voter ID. That is a majority view here in NC. Additionally, the media and left organizations want everyone to believe minorities aren't capable of obtaining an ID and "so-called" regressive. I find that to be very disingenuous.

I don't think anyone, that is in the camp of election fraud, would have any issue whatsoever if the 2024 election was managed properly and Trump lost. He would lose. If Trump didn't think he lost fairly, show the evidence. So far, the 2020 election has evidence.

Regarding your last point, would you agree, that's your opinion?

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

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The problem with this approach Cary is that it's really easy to get in echo chambers online or on your media outlet of choice and convince yourself that you're getting the complete, substantiated picture.

The "show me some evidence in court" standard rises above all that noise. Talk is cheap, especially in a political arena where everyone is posturing for something.

Look at what happened when MTG was testifying last week and denied wanting Congress to vote against certifying Biden as the 2020 election winner. We all know this was a direct contradiction of her position for the prior 18 months. Why did she flip-flop and likely perjure herself?

All of a sudden when there are adults in the room and actual rules and repercussions for saying inane and baseless ****, people change their tune. Giuliani and Sid Powell will change their tune in their billion dollar civil suit testimony also.

Even though I feel very strongly that measures that restrict polling access are highly regressive and discriminatory, I'm almost to the point where I would prefer that the US take a European approach and either make Election days holidays or do it on a Sunday and essentially require that all voting be in person.

If we did this and Trump still loses in 2024, do you really in your heart of hearts believe that there would be an about-face and Trump would respectfully and graciously concede? We all know that's not what would happen. There would be some other reason concocted why the election was stolen.

This was always about a child in the White House that couldn't stand the thought of losing. It was never about electoral security.

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Actually, the way I understand Jan 6 was that each objection, by congress, was to send the electors back to the states, so they could review the issues that were pointed out by each state! I have seen state representatives that showed their letters to Mike Pence requesting him send them back for 10 days.

So, MTG, based on my knowledge has not flip flopped and/or perjured herself.

I guess the MSM clouded your mind in an echo chamber, right?

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

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The problem with this approach Cary is that it's really easy to get in echo chambers online or on your media outlet of choice and convince yourself that you're getting the complete, substantiated picture.

The "show me some evidence in court" standard rises above all that noise. Talk is cheap, especially in a political arena where everyone is posturing for something.

Look at what happened when MTG was testifying last week and denied wanting Congress to vote against certifying Biden as the 2020 election winner. We all know this was a direct contradiction of her position for the prior 18 months. Why did she flip-flop and likely perjure herself?

All of a sudden when there are adults in the room and actual rules and repercussions for saying inane and baseless ****, people change their tune. Giuliani and Sid Powell will change their tune in their billion dollar civil suit testimony also.

Even though I feel very strongly that measures that restrict polling access are highly regressive and discriminatory, I'm almost to the point where I would prefer that the US take a European approach and either make Election days holidays or do it on a Sunday and essentially require that all voting be in person.

If we did this and Trump still loses in 2024, do you really in your heart of hearts believe that there would be an about-face and Trump would respectfully and graciously concede? We all know that's not what would happen. There would be some other reason concocted why the election was stolen.

This was always about a child in the White House that couldn't stand the thought of losing. It was never about electoral security.

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Actually, the way I understand Jan 6 was that each objection, by congress, was to send the electors back to the states, so they could review the issues that were pointed out by each state! I have seen state representatives that showed their letters to Mike Pence requesting him send them back for 10 days.

So, MTG, based on my knowledge has not flip flopped and/or perjured herself.

I guess the MSM clouded your mind in an echo chamber, right?

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Exactly! Yes we have an opinion based on evidence we've been presented. Just the same way that one could form an opinion based on not looking at evidence, continuing to carry a dislike for a certain individual, and simply burying your head in the sand for the past year and a half.

Steve Videtich said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Here is a video from two weeks ago with Catherine Englebrecht and Gregg Phillips. Their data is being used in 2000 mules and this was an early look. They were on with Charlie Kirk who is in the movie trailer. If you watch this video, and it's about an hour long, and you have any doubt that there was fraud in the election then I don't know what to tell you. This is one of many methods they used to steal the election. There is no doubt.

https://rumble.com/v10ky2l-nrsc-was-given-evidence-of-fraud-but-did-nothing.html

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Drummer, I've seen most of the video. I 100% agree this will provide anyone with enough information to say:

The 2020 election was "NOT" the most secure election in history, as Bill Barr and Chris Wray said.

Now, the people in the video also agreed that the fraud happening could not be determine to go for Biden. Based on the activities, prior to the election, by the likes of Mark Elias and other, the logical conclusion can be made that they did; however, it's not conclusive.

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Well we will have to agree to disagree on whether it was conclusive. If all those mail in ballots went to Trump then how did he blow the big leads he had in all those states? How come most of the fraud took place in Democratic run cities with Democrats being the Governor and Secretary of State where they illegally changed the rules? Just a few questions and there are many more. Again we can agree to disagree.

The election was stolen in my opinion and "We the People" are the ones suffering from the lack of interest by RINOS, corruption by the the Dems and the Establishment, and a mainstream media(Including Fox News) that is unwilling to do their jobs and are part of the cabal. There is enough evidence of fraudulent ballots being used and abuse of the system with the mail in ballots to warrant true investigations, but nobody seems interested.

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Drummer, I am more than sure that we both see the 2020 election the exact same way. My argument is that the people doing the video, with Charlie Kirk, said they couldn't conclusively say those fraudulent ballots went to Biden.

That said, we have way more than enough circumstantial evidences to support the thought! So, we are definitely in agreement with the fraud!

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Ok that is a fair point. What you did say in your first post is a little contradictory(I highlighted it above). I think anybody with a brain can make that logical conclusion except the left wing hacks who defend this election. Circumstantial evidence could have been turned into direct evidence had the ballots been separated like they were supposed to be. Lots of felonies have taken place before, during, and after the election. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long, long time.

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Some of these doubters (MSM believers) wouldn't believe it if they were in the room when it happened, just because Trump said it happened.

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The MSM doesn't adjudicate voter or election fraud. Courts do.

People will believe it when judges start believing it because someone is actually coughing up real evidence in a courtroom.

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I think anybody with half a brain knows that to be true. All these post are "NOT" about court adjudicating; rather, they are to point out enough evidence to show fraud happened in the 2020 election.

As people that have been denying it, or pointing to the courts, and not looking at the evidence (like the courts didn't), why don't you just watch and/or look at the evidence and comment on its veracity?

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The problem with this approach Cary is that it's really easy to get in echo chambers online or on your media outlet of choice and convince yourself that you're getting the complete, substantiated picture.

The "show me some evidence in court" standard rises above all that noise. Talk is cheap, especially in a political arena where everyone is posturing for something.

Look at what happened when MTG was testifying last week and denied wanting Congress to vote against certifying Biden as the 2020 election winner. We all know this was a direct contradiction of her position for the prior 18 months. Why did she flip-flop and likely perjure herself?

All of a sudden when there are adults in the room and actual rules and repercussions for saying inane and baseless ****, people change their tune. Giuliani and Sid Powell will change their tune in their billion dollar civil suit testimony also.

Even though I feel very strongly that measures that restrict polling access are highly regressive and discriminatory, I'm almost to the point where I would prefer that the US take a European approach and either make Election days holidays or do it on a Sunday and essentially require that all voting be in person.

If we did this and Trump still loses in 2024, do you really in your heart of hearts believe that there would be an about-face and Trump would respectfully and graciously concede? We all know that's not what would happen. There would be some other reason concocted why the election was stolen.

This was always about a child in the White House that couldn't stand the thought of losing. It was never about electoral security.

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Actually, the way I understand Jan 6 was that each objection, by congress, was to send the electors back to the states, so they could review the issues that were pointed out by each state! I have seen state representatives that showed their letters to Mike Pence requesting him send them back for 10 days.

So, MTG, based on my knowledge has not flip flopped and/or perjured herself.

I guess the MSM clouded your mind in an echo chamber, right?

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Exactly! Yes we have an opinion based on evidence we've been presented. Just the same way that one could form an opinion based on not looking at evidence, continuing to carry a dislike for a certain individual, and simply burying your head in the sand for the past year and a half.

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Obviously judges don't share your opinion.

Are judges across the political spectrum burying their collective heads in the sand?

Why can no one with proper standing produce actual evidence of consequential, result-altering electoral fraud in the appropriate legal setting?

Why hasn't it happened yet? When can we expect that to happen?

Devolution allows for all 'the players' to 'show their hand'.....it takes time to 'play the cards'. That includes all bureaucrats, institutions, Congress, governors, state legislatures and secretaries of states, AG's, news media, corporations, social media and the like.

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Devolution allows for all 'the players' to 'show their hand'.....it takes time to 'play the cards'. That includes all bureaucrats, institutions, Congress, governors, state legislatures and secretaries of states, AG's, news media, corporations, social media and the like.

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Yeah that sounds like some made-up Hollywood blockbuster movie or QAnon *****

And conveniently for those that latch onto it, it's never disproven because it's always the carrot out there at the end of the stick. No matter how far you go, or how much time passes you never get the carrot but it's always right out in front of you, tantalizingly close.

Just let me know when we can realistically expect for those of us that took the poison to start dropping dead, or for evidence of consequential, result-altering fraud to be produced in court.

Pretend you're Vegas. Set the over/under. How many years?

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Werewolf said:

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Devolution allows for all 'the players' to 'show their hand'.....it takes time to 'play the cards'. That includes all bureaucrats, institutions, Congress, governors, state legislatures and secretaries of states, AG's, news media, corporations, social media and the like.

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Yeah that sounds like some made-up Hollywood blockbuster movie or QAnon *****

And conveniently for those that latch onto it, it's never disproven because it's always the carrot out there at the end of the stick. No matter how far you go, or how much time passes you never get the carrot but it's always right out in front of you, tantalizingly close.

Just let me know when we can realistically expect for those of us that took the poison to start dropping dead, or for evidence of consequential, result-altering fraud to be produced in court.

Pretend you're Vegas. Set the over/under. How many years?

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Exactly, you're right. Its all Hollywood. :-)

I'd bet a lot of money on it from what I've seen so far. The problem with making the wager is the following:

I do not know how devolution can be revealed .......let's say 18 months from now...........when there will be massive casualties, losses, trauma etc over that time. How can it be explained that "we had to allow all this suffering to occur".

It really goes back to holding our fingers over the hot candle............after we'd lit it as a 4 yr old child.

Its really about a population that has neglected to value and protect a very fragile system of liberty and justice......I see it as a "WE GOTTA OWN IT".

I don't know what evidence they looked at, or if they looked at it at all. Nor do you. I've heard some reports that share claims that some judges didn't want to entertain some of the cases because of what it might create in the way of backlash and even bigger, more violent protests. Plus, we've seen evidence of courts being political, and they certainly aren't infallible.

Just because you carry a torch of hatred for anything and everything related to Trump, doesn't mean you are right on everything. Many of your views have been proven false since he left office. Nor does it mean that our views of everything are correct all the time. But, many are willing to look at evidence presented and form an opinion.

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I don't know what evidence they looked at, or if they looked at it at all. Nor do you. I've heard some reports that share claims that some judges didn't want to entertain some of the cases because of what it might create in the way of backlash and even bigger, more violent protests. Plus, we've seen evidence of courts being political, and they certainly aren't infallible.

Just because you carry a torch of hatred for anything and everything related to Trump, doesn't mean you are right on everything. Many of your views have been proven false since he left office. Nor does it mean that our views of everything are correct all the time. But, many are willing to look at evidence presented and form an opinion.

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Nobody is right about everything, that's obvious.

What views have been proven false since Trump left office? You use my disapproval of Trump as a crutch to say I just get my views from CNN, my feelings on Trump cloud my views, etc. All that's a red herring and doesn't address the meat of my statement.

My electoral fraud views are based on the fact that no one has produced any evidence of consequential fraud in court. That's it. It doesn't matter what CNN or WaPo or NY Times or Fox News or Newsmax or anyone's views on electoral fraud or Trump are; none of that changes the fact that no consequential evidence has been produced in court that substantiates widespread electoral fraud.

Tom, Dick, and Harry "looking at evidence presented and forming and opinion" about electoral fraud based on social media and media sources sounds a lot like COVID vaccine-hesitant folks "doing their own research."

It's casual analysis by laymen that are suffering from Dunning-Kruger.

Doctors dispensing medical advise about vaccines don't have that luxury. They're educated, trained, experienced professionals held to a different, and much higher ethical and professional standard than Joe Schmo. That doesn't mean doctors can't be wrong, but when virtually the entire medical community supports a particular course of action that consistent pattern of behavior speaks volumes.

Judges also don't have that luxury. They're held to a different professional standard, which would be grossly violated by the way (and subject to obvious appeal) if they ruled a certain way without merit simply to avoid backlash or protest. That doesn't mean judges can't be wrong, but when 70+ judges rule a certain way, that pattern of behavior tells us volumes.

Russian collusion with Trump in the 2016 election for starters. Let's now throw in your statement "virtually every doctor" regarding covid information was on the same page. That's not correct either.

My point is that new information is coming out every day. But, you constantly come on spouting the same thing as MSM, "they were thrown out by judges 70 times!" Your message never changes.

The court cases were over a year ago. The picture of what happened is changing everyday. Have you looked at any of it? Be honest. If you have, great! If not, then that's like calling on Stevie Wonder as an eye witness.

I hold zero hope that any of this is going to change the outcome of 2020. It won't. But, I do hope that we can get to a point where any election integrity questions can be fixed.

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Russian collusion with Trump in the 2016 election for starters. Let's now throw in your statement "virtually every doctor" regarding covid information was on the same page. That's not correct either.

My point is that new information is coming out every day. But, you constantly come on spouting the same thing as MSM, "they were thrown out by judges 70 times!" Your message never changes.

The court cases were over a year ago. The picture of what happened is changing everyday. Have you looked at any of it? Be honest. If you have, great! If not, then that's like calling on Stevie Winner as an eye witness.

I hold zero hope that any of this is going to change the outcome of 2020. It won't. But, I do hope that we can get to a point where any election integrity questions can be fixed.

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The medical community was not divided to any meaningful extent about the extreme aggregate benefits relative to risks of vaccinations for middle aged and older, at-risk Americans no matter how many semantic games we engage in.

Regarding collusion, I've been consistent that I'm pleased to take the exact same position on collusion as Trump's boy Mueller and the bipartisan Congressional commission took after mountains of published research into the matter.

There was sweeping and systemic interference; that the information warfare favored Trump; that Trump impeded the investigation; that seven of his cronies were found guilty and served prison time for various crimes; and that collusion was not substantiated.

That's rationally consistent with the approach I'm taking on widespread election fraud. Courts/judges have not seen fit to validate the evidence brought before them thus far. If that changes, and evidence is brought before courts that demonstrates that there was sweeping, result-changing fraud I will be first in line to revise my position accordingly, and you can hold me to it.

LMAO

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Steve Videtich said:

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Russian collusion with Trump in the 2016 election for starters. Let's now throw in your statement "virtually every doctor" regarding covid information was on the same page. That's not correct either.

My point is that new information is coming out every day. But, you constantly come on spouting the same thing as MSM, "they were thrown out by judges 70 times!" Your message never changes.

The court cases were over a year ago. The picture of what happened is changing everyday. Have you looked at any of it? Be honest. If you have, great! If not, then that's like calling on Stevie Winner as an eye witness.

I hold zero hope that any of this is going to change the outcome of 2020. It won't. But, I do hope that we can get to a point where any election integrity questions can be fixed.

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The medical community was not divided to any meaningful extent about the extreme aggregate benefits relative to risks of vaccinations for middle aged and older, at-risk Americans no matter how many semantic games we engage in.

Regarding collusion, I've been consistent that I'm pleased to take the exact same position on collusion as Trump's boy Mueller and the bipartisan Congressional commission took after mountains of published research into the matter.

There was sweeping and systemic interference; that the information warfare favored Trump; that Trump impeded the investigation; that seven of his cronies were found guilty and served prison time for various crimes; and that collusion was not substantiated.

That's rationally consistent with the approach I'm taking on widespread election fraud. Courts/judges have not seen fit to validate the evidence brought before them thus far. If that changes, and evidence is brought before courts that demonstrates that there was sweeping, result-changing fraud I will be first in line to revise my position accordingly, and you can hold me to it.

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Exactly my point! Thanks

^ u really think he'll be 1st in line? No need to answer.........rhetorical in nature.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/26/desantis-signs-bill-into-law-creating-election-police-force/

DeSantis stands tall once again!

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https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/26/desantis-signs-bill-into-law-creating-election-police-force/

DeSantis stands tall once again!

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HOORAY MORE BIG GOVERNMENT

^ did I hear a shrill WOKE cry?

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^ did I hear a shrill WOKE cry?

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Lol. Yes, that is exactly what you heard...

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Werewolf said:

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^ did I hear a shrill WOKE cry?

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Lol. Yes, that is exactly what you heard...

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give you 5 to 1 odds of under 30.

"Massive voting scam in Georgia!" - President Donald J. Trump

ICYMI: "Subpoenas formally issued for evidence in Georgia ballot trafficking case"

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/subpoenas-formally-issued-evidence-georgia-ballot-trafficking-case?msclkid=630024edc67511ecb95ed40f64d9e932&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ncl_amplify&utm_campaign=20220427-icymi_subpoenas_formally_issued_for_evidence_in_georgia_ballot_trafficking_case&utm_content=ncl-gDN9E4V5bh&_nlid=gDN9E4V5bh&_nhids=4W

I can't believe people are still touting "The Big Lie". Trump lost the 2020 election. Then he instigated an insurrection. Even the Republican leaders were sickened that he did that. Just listen to Kevin McCarthy tapes.

2000 MULES - full film in its entirety.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vaxxter.com_smoking-2Dout-2Dthe-2Dreal-2Dsnakes_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=5lNdLHirjvKcB9BWa4hLM1n0R5cmWlSAQ8CfoPWx1tw&m=aKmuYUvBU_9TVC-1nJvZAprcWSaOBLhDx6a5LUNNnk0&s=LkiesAKA9e-bvpHAA-TVCiWi8ggpA9RNS4Arq1-Bepw&e=

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I can't believe people are still touting "The Big Lie". Trump lost the 2020 election. Then he instigated an insurrection. Even the Republican leaders were sickened that he did that. Just listen to Kevin McCarthy tapes.

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Nothing is going to change the outcome of the 2020 election. But, don't counter one lie with another one. There was no insurrection. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Wolfpackrich1 said:

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I can't believe people are still touting "The Big Lie". Trump lost the 2020 election. Then he instigated an insurrection. Even the Republican leaders were sickened that he did that. Just listen to Kevin McCarthy tapes.

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The only "Big Lie" s thinking there was no evidence of fraud. I am not of the opinion that the election will be overturned; although, some in the country are still trying to decertify certain electors.

I will say that efforts, by Democrats, to change laws, around the country, was pure Evil! Republicans should do everything they can to undo those illegal acts. That include states like Georgia creating new laws to take away those illegal acts!

Kevin McCarthy is a RINO 100%! He should be dethroned once Republicans win the house in November. Not a good guy, at all! He's a liar!