Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

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They could do better than her, but will they? Also, I am curious to see just how much we see of Biden here in the last few months.

Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

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It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

Civilized said:

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Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

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It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

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New polling just released today . 800 p sample over last 24 hrs .

Trump up 8 pts over Kamala .

Also the betting markets haven't changed one bit .

Dems can foolishly believe this pivot changes things but it's not reality .

Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

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So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

Bas2020 said:

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Civilized said:

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Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

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It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

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New polling just released today . 800 p sample over last 24 hrs .

Trump up 8 pts over Kamala .

Also the betting markets haven't changed one bit .

Dems can foolishly believe this pivot changes things but it's not reality .

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It will take time for polling to adjust.

Regardless, Dems knew how it would end with Biden. There was basically no chance he was capable of finishing a second term and relatedly basically no chance he could win. He'd lost the confidence of his constituents and the party leadership.

This is a nothing-to-lose Hail Mary, not a plan that that strategists are super confident will pan out.

Wolfpack8602 said:

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Civilized said:

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Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

---

It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

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LOL. And this my friends is how you try and polish a turd.

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Do you disagree that this is the likely strategy contemplation by Dems?

Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

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So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

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I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

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So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

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I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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That doesn't sound good for President Biden. I hope I'm wrong.

Wolfpack8602 said:

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Yeah. The football analogy is funny. Kamala was trying to be the starting QB in 2020 and failed miserably to Biden. She then got placed as the backup for DEI purposes. While being the back up she got even worse ratings. Now that Biden is out they can't pass over the backup for DEI reasons.

It's not like Harris was some strong candidate waiting in the wings. She failed miserably. But due to DEI she fails forward.

Also saying Trump has no fire after being shot is a good one. When Trump tones it down he's lost his fire and boring! When Trump is fired up he's hostile and out of control!

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Biden was failing miserably too until they told everyone to get behind Biden. He had done terrible in the 2 or 3 primaries up to that point. Biden would not have been the nominee if the OVERLORDS had not stepped in. They knew they were going to cheat.

Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

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I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

Wolfpack8602 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wolfpack8602 said:

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Civilized said:

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Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

---

It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

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LOL. And this my friends is how you try and polish a turd.

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Do you disagree that this is the likely strategy contemplation by Dems?

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Yeah. The football analogy is funny. Kamala was trying to be the starting QB in 2020 and failed miserably to Biden. She then got placed as the backup for DEI purposes. While being the back up she got even worse ratings. Now that Biden is out they can't pass over the backup for DEI reasons.

It's not like Harris was some strong candidate waiting in the wings. She failed miserably. But due to DEI she fails forward.

Also saying Trump has no fire after being shot is a good one. When Trump tones it down he's lost his fire and boring! When Trump is fired up he's hostile and out of control!

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What are you so fired up about then?

You should be pleased that Kamala is so weak and Trump will moonwalk back into the White House.

Civilized said:

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Wolfpack8602 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wolfpack8602 said:

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Civilized said:

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Bas2020 said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wlfpk81 said:

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there is a lot of ppl on here that are letting their hatred of harris and democrats cloud their ability to see things clearly. Trump has a problem here with harris. they are both horrible candidates and likely to do more damage than good but IF harris gets the nod quickly and carries the momentum through the DNC then im not sure trump can recover. shes going to rejuvenate the base and the media is going to eat this up. trump has a ceiling around 50% and there is still voters that are just looking for a reason to vote for someone else other than trump. for those voters specifically, i think they go with harris even with her inability to run an office or use intelligible sentences.

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I don't think Harris changes anyone's mind. This country is very divided. But we shall see.

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Harris is polling worse than Biden in most places. Harris will help in metro cities and State's that are irrelevant.

Harris will not excite people in the swing state's (the only one's that matter). The DEMS can run up the score in New York, California, etc and gain nothing.

---

It doesn't have to be Harris exciting people though. It can just be the idea that there's now a candidate in their political prime that can take it to Trump in ways that Biden simply wasn't capable anymore.

You could tell based on his lazy, boring, off-script convention speech Trump had fallen into "we've got this thing won" mode. There was no fire. He and his team are now going to be forced to quickly and completely pivot, and go back on the offensive against somebody that can match his vigor.

The football analogy is being up comfortably against a pocket quarterback who gets dinged late in the third quarter and a scrambling QB comes in and all of a sudden the D looks slow and on their heels. They'd stopped playing downhill at halftime and now they have to adjust mentally.

Trump is obviously winning, but how much does this change of pace affect things?

Based on her historic fundraising yesterday, mostly from small donors, it's fair to say at least some portion of the base is fired up.

How big that portion is, and how far it can carry her, is obviously what's in question. Her ceiling is definitely higher than 3rd quarter Biden, though, even if her floor is lower.

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LOL. And this my friends is how you try and polish a turd.

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Do you disagree that this is the likely strategy contemplation by Dems?

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Yeah. The football analogy is funny. Kamala was trying to be the starting QB in 2020 and failed miserably to Biden. She then got placed as the backup for DEI purposes. While being the back up she got even worse ratings. Now that Biden is out they can't pass over the backup for DEI reasons.

It's not like Harris was some strong candidate waiting in the wings. She failed miserably. But due to DEI she fails forward.

Also saying Trump has no fire after being shot is a good one. When Trump tones it down he's lost his fire and boring! When Trump is fired up he's hostile and out of control!

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What are you so fired up about then?

You should be pleased that Kamala is so weak and Trump will moonwalk back into the White House.

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LOL. I'm not fired up at all. What are you talking about?

Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

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Exactly. The word salad has gotten worse. That's why he's not running again, he's 81 and can't do this another 4 years.

I don't think he struggles to make his oatmeal in the mornings.

He was literally in Raleigh on stage at a campaign event after the debate and looked and sounded normal (for him).

Yes, I think he can handle being President the next 5.5 months. No, I don't think he can handle it for 4.5 more years. Those things are clearly two different considerations.

Civilized said:

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wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

---

Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

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Exactly. The word salad has gotten worse. That's why he's not running again, he's 81 and can't do this another 4 years.

I don't think he struggles to make his oatmeal in the mornings.

He was literally in Raleigh on stage at a campaign event after the debate and looked and sounded normal (for him).

Yes, I think he can handle being President the next 5.5 months. No, I don't think he can handle it for 4.5 more years. Those things are clearly two different considerations.

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Drugs will do that.

The "whatever time he has left", isn't good.

wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

---

Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

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He hasn't made an appearance since last Tuesday. Resigned through a Tweet. Admitting to having Covid.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that something isn't right with Joe Biden.

Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

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So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

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I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
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That doesn't sound good for President Biden. I hope I'm wrong.

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Same here. I don't like watching people become a shell of their former selves, it's depressing. And

Frankly, shame on those around him for letting it get to this point.

Wufpack17 said:

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wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

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So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

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I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

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He hasn't made an appearance since last Tuesday. Resigned through a Tweet. Admitting to having Covid.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that something isn't right with Joe Biden.

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I think you're overreacting.

We'll see this week when he addresses the nation.

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Simply a side note.....don't get your panties in a wad.

For example, a Chinese couple arrives here in the US as diplomats - and both CCP Politburo. They have a child 25 days after arrival in Alexandria VA. Should that child be eligible to be POTUS and Commander in Chief?
On the Meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" - Harvard Law Review

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Out citizenship laws plainly state that children of diplomats are not granted citizenship upon birth in the us.

how about two professors?

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how about two professors?

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If the child was born on American soil outside of very specific instances (for example foreign diplomats) the child is an American citizen.

Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

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Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

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He hasn't made an appearance since last Tuesday. Resigned through a Tweet. Admitting to having Covid.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that something isn't right with Joe Biden.

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I think you're overreacting.

We'll see this week when he addresses the nation.

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The dems are literally admitting there is something wrong with him, and you still don't believe it.

Amazing. Truly amazing.

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Dems are admitting what, again?

That he had a stroke this weekend and can't perform his duties today? I missed that somehow.

I just clicked over to Fox News to check on his health and didn't see any headlines about it there either. Strange.

Despite all your conspiratorial flailing, it seems like what's being acknowledged is that he's old and diminished enough that he can't beat Trump and he can't do the job for 4.5 more years even if he could beat Trump.

https://instagr.am/p/C9u-2SuNJQw

Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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wolf howl said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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Obviously his health played a part.

If his health would have allowed him to do this for 4.5 more years, he wouldn't have looked like **** in the debate several weeks ago and would've stayed in the race.

This isn't news.

Nobody remotely credible is intimating that he has an acute health situation that is incapacitating him to function as president.

---

Would love to know your definition of "remotely credible". I mean we can all see the guy right? Listen to him? Hear the word salad that's only gotten worse over the last 4-5 years. Needs help getting off the stage. Biggest threat to him is stairs at this point in life. It's sad if not for the fact he has the ability and duty to launch nukes in case of a threat, do you feel he's mentally capable of doing that and you trust what you saw on stage to do that?

It's one thing to just be dumb like Harris, she's not smart but I think she's as good as she gets mentally. Biden is not mentally competent to lead any country much less the US.

---

He hasn't made an appearance since last Tuesday. Resigned through a Tweet. Admitting to having Covid.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that something isn't right with Joe Biden.

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I think you're overreacting.

We'll see this week when he addresses the nation.

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The dems are literally admitting there is something wrong with him, and you still don't believe it.

Amazing. Truly amazing.

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Dems are admitting what, again?

That he had a stroke this weekend and can't perform his duties today? I missed that somehow.

I just clicked over to Fox News to check on his health and didn't see any headlines about it there either. Strange.

Despite all your conspiratorial flailing, it seems like what's being acknowledged is that he's old and diminished enough that he can't beat Trump and he can't do the job for 4.5 more years even if he could beat Trump.

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No one said he had a stroke outside of you...

Where is the conspiracy, exactly? His brother admitted this is all because of his health.

Wufpack17 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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That doesn't sound good for President Biden. I hope I'm wrong.

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Same here. I don't like watching people become a shell of their former selves, it's depressing. And

Frankly, shame on those around him for letting it get to this point.

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He wasn't fit in 2020 but the perks for the First Lady and the business opportunities for Hunter and the family were to enticing to pass up.

Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufpack17 said:

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1st, It was a Tweet. 2nd, it's a photo copy. 3rd, it's not on official letterhead. 4th, he's never signed his signature with line under his signature.

It's not coming from the President. It's coming from others. If it were really his decision, there would have been somehing far more official than a freaking tweet.

---

So what are you suggesting?

He's being held hostage in his beach house basement?

He's all tubes and respirators now? Laid up in some hospital bed, half man, half machine?

What exactly is your paranoid Biden delusion du jour?

---

I am suggesting he is unwell and didn't make this decision on his own. This isn't a delusion, it's coming from the horses mouth.

"Frank Biden made comments to both CBS and ABC News, telling CBS 'in my humble opinion absolutely' the president's health was part of Biden's decision to announce that he wouldn't run for reelection - endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris in the process.

'Selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we has left,' Frank Biden told CBS.
"

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That doesn't sound good for President Biden. I hope I'm wrong.

---

Same here. I don't like watching people become a shell of their former selves, it's depressing. And

Frankly, shame on those around him for letting it get to this point.

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He wasn't fit in 2020 but the perks for the First Lady and the business opportunities for Hunter and the family were to enticing to pass up.

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His successes this term fly in the face of the "unfit the last four years" argument.

You obviously disagree with him politically but his adminstration has been unusually productive at implementing their agenda.