Wufskins said:

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Well, you certainly tried your darndest to infer I'm one of those Trump is Hitler posters you complained about.

Enjoy your day ncsu1

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You to. I wasn't trying to lump you in that if that's how you took it. You bring a different perspective that I usually enjoy reading.

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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I don't try to defend Bill Clinton's sexscapades but I'll never understand people evaluating Trump through a binary ethical lens relative to others, i.e. "both have done suboptimal things, so they/those things that they've done are equivalent practically/ethically/criminally."

Degrees matter. This is so obvious that's it's weird to have to say it but it's where we are.

It's what people that have, or are going to, vote for Trump have to do to get right with it.

Trump's gross sex misconduct aside, ask yourself honestly would any past president have comported themselves the way the Trump did leading up to and on January 6, and then for years continue beating the drum regarding fake election fraud to the significant detriment of our country?

Trump is different. He is worse in this regard. No past President has or would ever have behaved in such a selfish and damaging way.

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Civ, do you agree people can see or hear the same story and draw completely different conclusions?

ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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ncsupack1 said:

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Wufskins said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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I don't try to defend Bill Clinton's sexscapades but I'll never understand people evaluating Trump through a binary ethical lens relative to others, i.e. "both have done suboptimal things, so they/those things that they've done are equivalent practically/ethically/criminally."

Degrees matter. This is so obvious that's it's weird to have to say it but it's where we are.

It's what people that have, or are going to, vote for Trump have to do to get right with it.

Trump's gross sex misconduct aside, ask yourself honestly would any past president have comported themselves the way the Trump did leading up to and on January 6, and then for years continue beating the drum regarding fake election fraud to the significant detriment of our country?

Trump is different. He is worse in this regard. No past President has or would ever have behaved in such a selfish and damaging way.

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I personally don't care for Trump, I just find what abouts, entertaining. It's just depends on which team a person is on.

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I despised Clinton, not because he was a crappy President (he wasn't), but because he stared into that camera, pointed his figure to me and lied to my (and America) face when he said he didn't have sexual relations. I was a registered Republican then, now I'm I'm unaffiliated. So align whatever team you want to, but we all know what a morally decrepit person Trump is. Trying to diffuse it with "I bet it's different" or "you probably voted for Bill" is just a way to ignore the poop show that surrounds Trump.

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I know the poop show that is Trump. But I guess when some on the left compare Trump to Hitler ( which is stupid and lazy ) I guess for some the bar is set. And yes, I do hear it's different a lot from folks. Even over the smallest crap.

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Agree.

Trump is not nearly as bad as Hitler (this is obvious to sane people).

Biden (and Clinton) are not as bad as Trump.

And by "bad" I mean "how damaging their Presidential behaviors are to their constituents."

With Trump, this principally means January 6 and fake election fraud, not his personal sexual conduct and not his normal political decisions and actions.

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Opinion or fact?

SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Consensual, maybe. But he used his position as the most powerful man on earth to get that consensual sex act. Then lied about it. Pretty similar imo to the Stormy stuff.

SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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Trump was found liable for sexual assault in a civil suit. He's having to pay a bunch of money for his itchy little fingers.

Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Consensual, maybe. But he used his position as the most powerful man on earth to get that consensual sex act. Then lied about it. Pretty similar imo to the Stormy stuff.

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Right, and the Stormy stuff is probably 74th on the list of Trump's disqualifying actions. But somehow conservatives are still traumatized by Clinton like it was the crime of the century.

caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

---

Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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You like being lied to?

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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I don't try to defend Bill Clinton's sexscapades but I'll never understand people evaluating Trump through a binary ethical lens relative to others, i.e. "both have done suboptimal things, so they/those things that they've done are equivalent practically/ethically/criminally."

Degrees matter. This is so obvious that's it's weird to have to say it but it's where we are.

It's what people that have, or are going to, vote for Trump have to do to get right with it.

Trump's gross sex misconduct aside, ask yourself honestly would any past president have comported themselves the way the Trump did leading up to and on January 6, and then for years continue beating the drum regarding fake election fraud to the significant detriment of our country?

Trump is different. He is worse in this regard. No past President has or would ever have behaved in such a selfish and damaging way.

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Civ, do you agree people can see or hear the same story and draw completely different conclusions?

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Obviously.

I don't see how people can't accurately contextualize January 6 and fake election fraud as so completely and obviously aberrant and damaging Presidential behavior though.

Anybody that does this is either dense or willfully ignorant or both.

No past President would dream of behaving this way in their capacity as President. Biden has done no such thing, not even close. He's a normal, albeit old, President that has made some good political decisions and some bad ones just like every other President. The way he comports himself in office has been just like every other President.

The same cannot be said for Trump WRT January 6 and fake election fraud, not even close. He stands alone with that selfish and illegal and undemocratic ****show.

SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Mr. Clinton abused many women and those that came forward were destroyed by Hillary…another one you voted for.

Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Mr. Clinton abused many women and those that came forward were destroyed by Hillary…another one you voted for.

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Since that is clearly upsetting to you it's safe to say there's no way in hell you'd vote for Trump then, right?

Lol, you guys really are good at performative outrage. Whatever it takes to win, I guess.

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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I don't try to defend Bill Clinton's sexscapades but I'll never understand people evaluating Trump through a binary ethical lens relative to others, i.e. "both have done suboptimal things, so they/those things that they've done are equivalent practically/ethically/criminally."

Degrees matter. This is so obvious that's it's weird to have to say it but it's where we are.

It's what people that have, or are going to, vote for Trump have to do to get right with it.

Trump's gross sex misconduct aside, ask yourself honestly would any past president have comported themselves the way the Trump did leading up to and on January 6, and then for years continue beating the drum regarding fake election fraud to the significant detriment of our country?

Trump is different. He is worse in this regard. No past President has or would ever have behaved in such a selfish and damaging way.

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Civ, do you agree people can see or hear the same story and draw completely different conclusions?

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Obviously.

I don't see how people can't accurately contextualize January 6 and fake election fraud as so completely and obviously aberrant and damaging Presidential behavior though.

Anybody that does this is either dense or willfully ignorant or both.

No past President would dream of behaving this way in their capacity as President. Biden has done no such thing, not even close. He's a normal, albeit old, President that has made some good political decisions and some bad ones just like every other President. The way he comports himself in office has been just like every other President.

The same cannot be said for Trump WRT January 6 and fake election fraud, not even close. He stands alone with that selfish and illegal and undemocratic ****show.

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Civ, go listen to Megyn Kelly's podcast today. I think she did an excellent job regarding the SC hearing today.

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

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Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How many minutes would it take BBW to call him a woke MARXIST for talking about how much he hates rich people?

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

---

We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

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Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How do you imagine OANN would treat him as a guest talking about how much he hates rich people?

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Smapty, I'm not trying to convert you into anything. My question was simple... people have different world views, and I'm asking to get an idea of how you may see things. Your faith helps with aspects of your view.

Also, I think your questions are misguided.

Except you asked if he were atheist or agnostic. There are other options, Muzzie, Hindu, etc. With his statement that Jesus hates the rich I think shows he either doesn't understand Christianity or is not a Christian as there's nothing in the Bible that says that.

Maybe you should be asking him if he owns any goats or if he eats beef. That might give us a clue.

caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

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Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How do you imagine OANN would treat him as a guest talking about how much he hates rich people?

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Smapty, I'm not trying to convert you into anything. My question was simple... people have different world views, and I'm asking to get an idea of how you may see things. Your faith helps with aspects of your view.

Also, I think your questions are misguided.

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I'm of the opinion that the Water Cooler is toxic enough without bringing religion into the conversation.

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Except you asked if he were atheist or agnostic. There are other options, Muzzie, Hindu, etc. With his statement that Jesus hates the rich I think shows he either doesn't understand Christianity or is not a Christian as there's nothing in the Bible that says that.

Maybe you should be asking him if he owns any goats or if he eats beef. That might give us a clue.

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In Luke 18:25 Jesus said "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". There are tons of other examples of how he felt about money changers, etc.

You sure you understand Christianity? Aside from the modern evangelical loophole of getting "saved" so you can pretty much ignore all of it and be as awful as you want?

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Except you asked if he were atheist or agnostic. There are other options, Muzzie, Hindu, etc. With his statement that Jesus hates the rich I think shows he either doesn't understand Christianity or is not a Christian as there's nothing in the Bible that says that.

Maybe you should be asking him if he owns any goats or if he eats beef. That might give us a clue.

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In Luke 18:25 Jesus said "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". There are tons of other examples of how he felt about money changers, etc.

You sure you understand Christianity? Aside from the modern evangelical loophole of getting "saved" so you can pretty much ignore all of it and be as awful as you want?

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Well 1st he doesn't say he hates the rich. As to the camel and 'eye of the needle' you do realize that is referring to a fully laden camel passing thru the gate that was called the 'eye of the needle' not an actual needle.

As to the money changers again there's nothing that says he hates them, he just doesn't like their usurious charges.

So while you flounder and flail about trying to prove Jesus was someone who hated others maybe you are confusing him with Mohamed who was all about the hate.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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barelypure said:

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Except you asked if he were atheist or agnostic. There are other options, Muzzie, Hindu, etc. With his statement that Jesus hates the rich I think shows he either doesn't understand Christianity or is not a Christian as there's nothing in the Bible that says that.

Maybe you should be asking him if he owns any goats or if he eats beef. That might give us a clue.

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In Luke 18:25 Jesus said "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". There are tons of other examples of how he felt about money changers, etc.

You sure you understand Christianity? Aside from the modern evangelical loophole of getting "saved" so you can pretty much ignore all of it and be as awful as you want?

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Well 1st he doesn't say he hates the rich. As to the camel and 'eye of the needle' you do realize that is referring to a fully laden camel passing thru the gate that was called the 'eye of the needle' not an actual needle.

As to the money changers again there's nothing that says he hates them, he just doesn't like their usurious charges.

So while you flounder and flail about trying to prove Jesus was someone who hated others maybe you are confusing him with Mohamed who was all about the hate.

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Ok, to help you get through this I'll tweak my characterization from "hate" to "loved to wreck rich peoples' things and thought that it would be very challenging for them to get into heaven". So, "dislike"?

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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I don't try to defend Bill Clinton's sexscapades but I'll never understand people evaluating Trump through a binary ethical lens relative to others, i.e. "both have done suboptimal things, so they/those things that they've done are equivalent practically/ethically/criminally."

Degrees matter. This is so obvious that's it's weird to have to say it but it's where we are.

It's what people that have, or are going to, vote for Trump have to do to get right with it.

Trump's gross sex misconduct aside, ask yourself honestly would any past president have comported themselves the way the Trump did leading up to and on January 6, and then for years continue beating the drum regarding fake election fraud to the significant detriment of our country?

Trump is different. He is worse in this regard. No past President has or would ever have behaved in such a selfish and damaging way.

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Civ, do you agree people can see or hear the same story and draw completely different conclusions?

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Obviously.

I don't see how people can't accurately contextualize January 6 and fake election fraud as so completely and obviously aberrant and damaging Presidential behavior though.

Anybody that does this is either dense or willfully ignorant or both.

No past President would dream of behaving this way in their capacity as President. Biden has done no such thing, not even close. He's a normal, albeit old, President that has made some good political decisions and some bad ones just like every other President. The way he comports himself in office has been just like every other President.

The same cannot be said for Trump WRT January 6 and fake election fraud, not even close. He stands alone with that selfish and illegal and undemocratic ****show.

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That's all opinion, Civ..

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

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Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How do you imagine OANN would treat him as a guest talking about how much he hates rich people?

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Smapty, I'm not trying to convert you into anything. My question was simple... people have different world views, and I'm asking to get an idea of how you may see things. Your faith helps with aspects of your view.

Also, I think your questions are misguided.

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I'm of the opinion that the Water Cooler is toxic enough without bringing religion into the conversation.

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Are you answering my question with that last post??

Are you atheist or agnostic?

I'm of the opinion that a Christian world view provides for a more peaceful life.

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

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I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

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Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How do you imagine OANN would treat him as a guest talking about how much he hates rich people?

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Smapty, I'm not trying to convert you into anything. My question was simple... people have different world views, and I'm asking to get an idea of how you may see things. Your faith helps with aspects of your view.

Also, I think your questions are misguided.

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I'm of the opinion that the Water Cooler is toxic enough without bringing religion into the conversation.

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Are you answering my question with that last post??

Are you atheist or agnostic?

I'm of the opinion that a Christian world view provides for a more peaceful life.

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That poster is a master of tap dancing…lol

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Just like his buddy foreskin.... They were taken behind the shed today and now they are hiding under mommy's apron.

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ncsupack1 said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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We get it! MAGA conservatives have made it more than clear that they'd vote for Lucifer himself if it gets them what they want.

---

I'm curious... Are you atheist or agnostic?

---

Why, are you trying to convert me to the "vote Satanic while quoting the scripture" brand of Christianity that has swept our evangelical churches?

Actually, I'm curious... if Jesus were hanging out in the Water Cooler right now, do you really think he'd appreciate your thoughts on immigrants, healthcare, etc? How do you imagine OANN would treat him as a guest talking about how much he hates rich people?

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Smapty, I'm not trying to convert you into anything. My question was simple... people have different world views, and I'm asking to get an idea of how you may see things. Your faith helps with aspects of your view.

Also, I think your questions are misguided.

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I'm of the opinion that the Water Cooler is toxic enough without bringing religion into the conversation.

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Are you answering my question with that last post??

Are you atheist or agnostic?

I'm of the opinion that a Christian world view provides for a more peaceful life.

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That poster is a master of tap dancing…lol

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Just like his buddy foreskin.... They were taken behind the shed today and now they are hiding under mommy's apron.

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Lol, you guys haven't had a response to anything (aside from "durp he's trolling), because being mad about Clinton when you support the *****grabber in Chief is extremely stupid.

Wufskins said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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ncsupack1 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Wufskins said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Wufskins said:

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Maybe he shouldn't have done his criminal acts in Manhattan. Poor fella just can't catch a break.

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Man, what has this country come to? It's getting so you can't even sleep with a porn star while your wife is home pregnant, and then pay the porn star off to keep quiet during an election.

I do bet Trump in retrospect regrets paying her off... turns out his evangelical base is really into that kinda thing.

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Can't even grab em by the P or else you have to pay. Maybe he can buy another beauty pageant so he can stare at teenagers getting undressed.

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You voted for Bill Clinton, correct?

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You know what's coming, " it / that was different, nobody or anything is as bad as Trump ".

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So Clinton getting a consensual blow job is exactly the same in your mind as Trump sexually assaulting women and bragging about it? Got it!

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Assaulting? Wow! Everyone knows Trump has been a playboy in NYC, for a long time. But, sexually assaulting? Some of the comments about grabbing girls by the…. Thats probably is consensual as well. At least, that the way I interpreted that comment.

When I was younger, my mouth would say things I'm not proud of; however, that doesn't define the person I am.

John 8:7

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

In other words, be careful what you say and condemn…. None of us are perfect!

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Trump was found liable for sexual assault in a civil suit. He's having to pay a bunch of money for his itchy little fingers.

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And… so was OJ.