#1 Russia Russia Russia would have never invaded Ukraine.

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#1 Russia Russia Russia would have never invaded Ukraine.

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Its amazing how all these bad world actors do horrible things when Dem are in the White House...

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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Hokie, I think you are playing naive, on this... Trump was smart in trying to get all NATO members to pay their fair share (you know that liberal slogan). According to some, those country's are doing that now.

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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Hokie, I think you are playing naive, on this... Trump was smart in trying to get all NATO members to pay their fair share (you know that liberal slogan). According to some, those country's are doing that now.

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hokie is becoming a parody poster.

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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Hokie, I think you are playing naive, on this... Trump was smart in trying to get all NATO members to pay their fair share (you know that liberal slogan). According to some, those country's are doing that now.

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Trump was playing it smart by once again taking credit for things he had nothing to do with (pretty much the only play in his book) and relying on his supporters to be absolute suckers who will nod along regardless. NATO had signed a commitment themselves in 2014 to steadily increase spending to 2% of GDP by 2024. Trump had nothing to do with it.

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packgrad said:

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TheStorm said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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Hokie, I think you are playing naive, on this... Trump was smart in trying to get all NATO members to pay their fair share (you know that liberal slogan). According to some, those country's are doing that now.

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No, he demanded a ransom and threatened to leave NATO. That's not smart. It's also incorrect that NATO doesn't pay its fair share. That's just not true.

Not sure how you can publicly dump on an Organization that the only time the Article 5 was enacted was 9/11.

NATOs military budget is like $2 billion. Why is it even a discussion? I honestly think he thinks NATO is part of the UN, which is a whole separate discussion.

You guys really don't look stuff up and when you do and it doesn't jive with what you've been sold, you dismiss it as fake news or TDS.

Again, how does publicly threatening NATO help it's and the US position with Russia, when Putin very stated goal is the elimination of NATO?

Eventually, what Trump says you're going to have to accept it at face value. Pontificating during speeches about wanting to leave NATO and how the NATO nations don't pay their fair share is an increasingly stupid thing to say.

If his memory is that bad, he shouldn't be running for another term. Pathetic. He wasn't even allowed to take classified documents as VP nor Senator.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-charges-biden-classified-records-special-counsel-robert-hur

The special counsel also described Biden as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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Trump only wanted the US not to be carrying all of Europe's weight in funding... he wanted them to be paying their fair share instead of us always covering everything. We were never pulling out of NATO. To even say that we were is pure stupidity.

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Pure Stupidity to leave NATO indeed. We agree on this.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c4745235

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We also agree that Trump does not continue to push to leave NATO like you lied about above.

It's quite telling to google "trump continues to push to leave nato" so you can see where hokie gets his news.

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he consistently questions why the US is in NATO on the campaign trail. You think that's doesn't give Putin hope that that will come to fruition in a 2nd Trump term and therefor continues with his insane war in the Ukraine?

Please explain to me how this signals strength against Russia?

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He consistently signals that the US will support NATO as long as we are not alone footing the bill.

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do you not understand how that weakens NATO and the US strength over Russia? I believe you do not.

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Hokie, I think you are playing naive, on this... Trump was smart in trying to get all NATO members to pay their fair share (you know that liberal slogan). According to some, those country's are doing that now.

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No, he demanded a ransom and threatened to leave NATO. That's not smart. It's also incorrect that NATO doesn't pay its fair share. That's just not true.

Not sure how you can publicly dump on an Organization that the only time the Article 5 was enacted was 9/11.

NATOs military budget is like $2 billion. Why is it even a discussion? I honestly think he thinks NATO is part of the UN, which is a whole separate discussion.

You guys really don't look stuff up and when you do and it doesn't jive with what you've been sold, you dismiss it as fake news or TDS.

Again, how does publicly threatening NATO help it's and the US position with Russia, when Putin very stated goal is the elimination of NATO?

Eventually, what Trump says you're going to have to accept it at face value. Pontificating during speeches about wanting to leave NATO and how the NATO nations don't pay their fair share is an increasingly stupid thing to say.

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NATO's military budget is 2B. You know, I really don't know if that's true, let's say it is. How much is their administrative budget. Probably 400B plus…

I'll bet the US funds roughly 20% plus of the entire budget of NATO.

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Trump leaned on NATO member to increase their own defense funding. Essentially arguing "we can not continue to be the world police alone, or carry most of the burden." His leaning on the other members worked. I know the TDS crowd, like hokie smapty and civ, can't bear to admit it worked, but it did.

"NATO statistics released in November 2019, just ahead of the London Summit, shows Europeans and Canada increased their collective spending by a combined by 5.6 percent in the last five years. That includes a 1.7 percent in 2015, 3.0 percent in 2016, 5.7 percent in 2017, and about 4.5 percent each in 2018 and 2019.

From 2015 to 2019, non-US NATO countries increased defense outlays more than 20 percent to $302 billion, while US defense spending increased from $660 billion to $685 billion. In all, NATO members' total defense investment could top $1 trillion in 2020. Today, while nine NATO-member countries meet or exceed the 2 percent target (including the US) seven are within 0.5 percent of the target, and all 28 have increased defense spending since 2014.

When it comes to investing in new equipment, the trends appear to be even better. NATO members have all agreed to invest 20 percent of their defense spending on new gear, and now, 16 NATO members are hitting the mark. Indeed, only Albania, the UK, and France have reduced their level of investment in weaponry since 2014. This separate accounting is useful because member states spend differently on pay, amenities and support for their troops, while the cost of equipment is largely equalized across the alliance.

At a lunch Trump hosted at the London meeting for the "2 percenters," he lauded the progress in investment and took credit for spurring allies to spend more on defense. "Someday," he said, "we'll raise it to 3 percent and 4 percent, maybe."

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Whether all that new investment is because of the president is hard to determine. But in an interview with National Public Radio last summer, Garrett Martin, a NATO scholar at the American University School of International Service, said Trump may deserve credit. "Maybe there's a bit more urgency now because he's blunter than his predecessors in criticizing his European partners," Martin said."


What's hilarious is that Obama's guy basically told his other fellow defense ministers the same thing. "Y'all need to start paying more for your own defense or we're going to eventually get tired of it."

The French president has openly stated he is unsure if every member should come to the aid if another is attacked.

This idea that Trump talking poorly about NATO is unique or is in someway encouraging Russia in the war is 1 million percent TDS. Look it up.

Also, hilarious that hokie cries about being called out for his TDS when the only person he can talk about on the Biden thread is Trump.

Clown show.

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If his memory is that bad, he shouldn't be running for another term. Pathetic. He wasn't even allowed to take classified documents as VP nor Senator.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-charges-biden-classified-records-special-counsel-robert-hur

The special counsel also described Biden as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."

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They literally went with the Uncle Leo defense



At this point, I dont think he makes it to November

Two-tier justice system at work! No, no, no… it's not a two-tiered justice system.. we couldn't prosecute an elderly man. We really felt bad for him because he couldn't remember anything…

Four more years should be off the table. Come on lefties, this is very damning. Kamala would take over sooner than later.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-did-not-remember-when-he-was-vice-president-when-his-son-beau-died-during-special-counsel-interview

"In his interview with our office, Mr. Biden's memory was worse," the report states. "He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended ('if it was 2013 - when did I stop being Vice President?'), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began ('in 2009, am I still Vice President?')."

"He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died," the report continued. "And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said he 'had a real difference' of opinion with General Karl Eikenberry, when, in fact, Eikenberry was an ally whom Mr. Biden cited approvingly in his Thanksgiving memo to President Obama."

Here is your Democratic Party…

BREAKING: Rose City ANTIFA is now blocking the road outside of the United States Supreme Court with a REMOVE TRUMP banner. @CapitolPolice is there, and of course they are just allowing ANTIFA to block the road.

Insurrection?@LoomerUnleashed captured this exclusive video! pic.twitter.com/ZK5nm2CZgr

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) February 8, 2024

2 tiered justice system.

Hur would decline to press charges against Biden for a number of reasons:

A jury would not likely convict.

Biden is too old to prosecute.

A jury could believe he did not willfully retain the docs.

A jury would see Biden "as an elderly man with a poor memory." pic.twitter.com/4WrcpaVVmm

— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) February 8, 2024

So Biden committed crimes with his handling of classified documents, but there will be no charges because it would be hard to get a jury to convict an old guy with a bad memory. Insanity. Predictable insanity. But still insanity. https://t.co/1tfV4tsRsL

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 8, 2024

What does the special counsel know? The lefties here say he's just fine!!

The special counsel report legit says Biden’s brain doesn’t work well enough for a jury to convict him of a crime. https://t.co/wR7Lkua3GJ

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 8, 2024

The special counsel decided not to bring charges against Biden because they believe he has age related dementia https://t.co/HNpPzJeV0h

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 8, 2024

Truly astonishing.

The US Department of Justice formally laying out evidence that the sitting President of the United States IS NOT COMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL.

He cannot remember when he was Vice President, but this man has the nuclear codes…. pic.twitter.com/GpJ6H9jtfw

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) February 8, 2024

So the Special Counsel is admitting that Joe Biden broke the law and committed at least 1 Felony, but he’s too old and mentally feeble to be held accountable

And this is the guy currently in charge of the nuclear codes? pic.twitter.com/PTLrlunHFF

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2024

We have reached the point of insanity on @POTUS Biden continuing as the Democratic presumptive nominee. https://t.co/7ZcvLoxgGY

— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) February 8, 2024

This is the exact same thing Trump said. And they charged him with dozens of felonies for arguing it. https://t.co/uaNyml11ar

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) February 8, 2024

So far Biden has threatened a Special Counsel, exploited his son's death, berated a reporter and blamed his staff for the documents.

Good stuff

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So far Biden has threatened a Special Counsel, exploited his son's death, berated a reporter and blamed his staff for the documents.

Good stuff

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Holy hell hokie actually said something negative about Biden.

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Great, great choices for President, America. It's almost as if you want this whole thing to fail.

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I still don't think he'll end up being the nominee, enter lefty Gavin Newsom or Michelle.

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His presidency ended today. Either the Democrats (correctly) replace him or he loses to Trump. Either way, he wont serve a second term. He passed the point of no return today

In remarks assuring the nation that his mental fitness and memory are good, Joe Biden refers to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi as the “president of Mexico”

pic.twitter.com/qdmtJascKS

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 9, 2024

Lmao