The Biden Administration

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caryking
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hokiewolf said:

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Here you go boys, real actual red meat

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/01/breaking-special-counsel-finds-mark-zuckerbergs-election-money-violated-wisconsin-bribery-laws/


As well the election up there be decertified
the legislation isn't doing that though per the article.
There are a few legislators in Wisconsin that want to decertify; however, I don't think it will get enough traction. End of the day, the report, by this former State Supreme Court Justice, speaks of the election fraud in that State. Much to the chagrin of the election deniers, we are seeing cracks in their beliefs.

Fix the system before this November, then prosecute Zuckerberg!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
Steve Videtich
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hokiewolf said:

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Is everybody ready for tonight's sales pitch on how well we are doing as a country?



Has anybody heard if the Republicans are going to be there? Heard today that Pelosi was warning them to be respectful. This from the lady who stood up after Trumps SOTU and made a spectacle of tearing it up in front of everyone. Hypocrites!!!
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Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.
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"Lower your cost not your wages"

Think about that for a second.....just let it sit with you....
Steve Videtich
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cowboypack02 said:

"Lower your cost not your wages"

Think about that for a second.....just let it sit with you....


Make it in America and buy American! Stop cutting resources in this country so that we can!
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Damn, Biden going after Fauci.

Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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Did he just say, secure the border!?!
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Damn, Biden going after Fauci.




Yea, right! Not the man that sits at the right hand of God!
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Lol

Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Packchem91
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Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.
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Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.



Okay, what don't you like about Biden so far?
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Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Also, I was out of town at a Nephews wedding, over the weekend. I heard several people talk about Nikki Haley as the next President. Well, she is on Foxnews this morning and really says all the right things; however, I have a few concerns about her:

  • I think you can honestly debate that she started cancel culture by taking down the confederate flag in SC. I fully understand people have turned the flag into a racial divide; however, (most) people from the south view the flag as heritage
  • I think she is a globalist. Globalism, as much as we see good in it, it is causing us major issues.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

This train of thought interest me....we talk about the caustic things that Trump says, but why isn't Biden judged by the same standards? There are a few quotes from Biden below for you to read....

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"

"If you don't vote democrat you ain't black?"

"You can't go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent"

"Unlike the African American community, with exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things"

Joe Biden about bussing to help integrate schools, while trying to get a anti bussing bill passed - "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle"

Of course...how can we ever forget Biden eulogizing Robert Byrd in 2010 - Who was a former Exalted Cyclops in the KKK. Biden called Byrd "one of my mentors"


Your other note about Trump being a "Rambling a'hole". He does that...but have you watched Biden speak? Biden rambles just as much as Trump did. The difference being that Trump did it on Twitter and Biden does it in person....oh...and you don't like Trump.

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Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.



Okay, what don't you like about Biden so far?
I don't dislike him as a human. He is a bit creepy -- too touchy by today's standards, for sure. I'm sure in the political realm, to be involved as long as he has, he's stepped on people he should not have and done things to benefit himself/friends, etc...sadly, that seems pretty normal in politics, from the local town council to the WH. But I could see myself sitting down with him at a bar or in front of a ballgame and enjoying a non-political conversation -- just as I could have with Obama, either Bush, or Bill Clinton (as long as his wretched wife didn't come along)....but I would not want to be with Trump at all.

Now, I absolutely believe he has coopted his own beliefs in payment to the far left....in return for the support from dropping out of the primaries to boost his struggling candidacy. I think he is too old, and is no longer sharp enough. But I can't hold that against him (other than self-recognition and not running)...its a human thing.
I think he he used covid as a political weapon. I think he can also be divisive, but IMO, I see it more of a political failing than his own personal one --- again, kind of a sellout to the far left, which is all about divisiveness. But even last night, he didn't go on and on blaming Trump or disparaging him all night long (which would have been a divisive thing to do). Granted, he did take credit for things Trump was pushing that have benefitted the economy, lol.
And I don't like his policies...all this free money will have us paying for a generation.
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caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
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Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.



Okay, what don't you like about Biden so far?
I don't dislike him as a human. He is a bit creepy -- too touchy by today's standards, for sure. I'm sure in the political realm, to be involved as long as he has, he's stepped on people he should not have and done things to benefit himself/friends, etc...sadly, that seems pretty normal in politics, from the local town council to the WH. But I could see myself sitting down with him at a bar or in front of a ballgame and enjoying a non-political conversation -- just as I could have with Obama, either Bush, or Bill Clinton (as long as his wretched wife didn't come along)....but I would not want to be with Trump at all.

Now, I absolutely believe he has coopted his own beliefs in payment to the far left....in return for the support from dropping out of the primaries to boost his struggling candidacy. I think he is too old, and is no longer sharp enough. But I can't hold that against him (other than self-recognition and not running)...its a human thing.
I think he he used covid as a political weapon. I think he can also be divisive, but IMO, I see it more of a political failing than his own personal one --- again, kind of a sellout to the far left, which is all about divisiveness. But even last night, he didn't go on and on blaming Trump or disparaging him all night long (which would have been a divisive thing to do). Granted, he did take credit for things Trump was pushing that have benefitted the economy, lol.
And I don't like his policies...all this free money will have us paying for a generation.


If you don't mind me asking, who did you vote for in the last presidential election?
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TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration
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hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
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I'd have to agree with Chem...Trump's an ass. But we've all dealt was those kind of people in life - but I'd still rather have an ass in charge with policies I think are good for the nation versus a 'presidential' person who has policies I think are detrimental for the nation.

I didn't watch all of the SOTU speech, but what I did see was Biden hawking policies that Trump was pushing - ramping up manufacturing, buying American made, stopping technology theft from China, etc. The thing about Trump was he was trying to do it....Biden just says it, then does something else.

We saw that when Biden said his Covid policy would be based on science - until the Teachers Union said they didn't want to go back into classes - even though CDC said it was OK - Biden sided with the union.

I could go on but nah!
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Steve Videtich said:

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Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
No, that battle has always been there, particularly with respect to Republican Administrations. I fault Trump for making his battle with the press a story that at times outshined his policies. He and now the Biden Administration have used the press room for punditry rather than policy.
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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
No, that battle has always been there, particularly with respect to Republican Administrations. I fault Trump for making his battle with the press a story that at times outshined his policies. He and now the Biden Administration have used the press room for punditry rather than policy.


I think you could also argue that the media did that did that as much or more than any administration has.. The media thinks they have the moral high ground and authority over anybody and everybody else in this country, which has led us to where we are in this country. They very much think they are smarter than everybody else than everybody else and that general public Joe should shut up and listen.
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I think you could also argue that the media did that did that as much or more than any administration has.. The media thinks they have the moral high ground and authority over anybody and everybody else in this country, which has led us to where we are in this country. They very much think they are smarter than everybody else and that general public Joe should shut up and listen.
Even the local radio personalities here in Austin got in the game with Trump via Twitter. One of the guys who is a very opinionated lefty thought it was great fun to poke at Trump via tweets. He bragged on the air every time he successfully elicited a response. Interestingly, he is a former UT kicker with very interesting stories to tell about recruitment, his time at UT, etc. When he is not spouting off on his political stance, he is interesting; otherwise, he is ... just wrong.
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It takes two to tango. There is shared responsibility amongst Trump and the press for their battle.

The media definitely slants left.
The media definitely went after Trump hard from Day 1.

Trump began making outrageous, divisive remarks the day he was inaugurated.
Trump is pathologically insecure and couldn't control the media so he attacked news organizations and even individual reporters in a way that no president before him had, or likely will again. His direct attacks on the media encouraged them to circle the wagons and compounded the issue.

But yeah there's blame to go around. Or as Trump would say, "There were some very fine people on both sides."
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Patience Grasshopper, it's coming. We'll watch a number of these treasonous bas$ards 'swing' before terribly too long. Election fraud as Treason, Treason for other reasons, Sedition and include Crimes Against Humanity for many.
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TheStorm said:

caryking said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
Mehhh, I appreciate that someone pushes back on the media as much as the next guy....but he made it personal with them, which exacerbated their crucifying of him. I'm not giving the media a pass....but come on, if you make it a job to attack the mediat every day, you're gonna get treated pretty crappy.

I mean -- I think we have a great example right here --- Coach Doeren was pretty snippy with the media his first few years. And you could tell at times there were guys with forks out there.
But he's gotten much better with them. He still is at times standoffish, and he doesn't back down....but he's learned how to message in a way to get his point across without going on the attack. And he's a FB coach.....why can't the POTUS be expected to do that?
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Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.



Okay, what don't you like about Biden so far?
I don't dislike him as a human. He is a bit creepy -- too touchy by today's standards, for sure. I'm sure in the political realm, to be involved as long as he has, he's stepped on people he should not have and done things to benefit himself/friends, etc...sadly, that seems pretty normal in politics, from the local town council to the WH. But I could see myself sitting down with him at a bar or in front of a ballgame and enjoying a non-political conversation -- just as I could have with Obama, either Bush, or Bill Clinton (as long as his wretched wife didn't come along)....but I would not want to be with Trump at all.

Now, I absolutely believe he has coopted his own beliefs in payment to the far left....in return for the support from dropping out of the primaries to boost his struggling candidacy. I think he is too old, and is no longer sharp enough. But I can't hold that against him (other than self-recognition and not running)...its a human thing.
I think he he used covid as a political weapon. I think he can also be divisive, but IMO, I see it more of a political failing than his own personal one --- again, kind of a sellout to the far left, which is all about divisiveness. But even last night, he didn't go on and on blaming Trump or disparaging him all night long (which would have been a divisive thing to do). Granted, he did take credit for things Trump was pushing that have benefitted the economy, lol.
And I don't like his policies...all this free money will have us paying for a generation.


If you don't mind me asking, who did you vote for in the last presidential election?
I don't mind a bit -- I voted for Trump in both presidential elections. I swallowed my dislike for him, because I thought the bigger picture was more important. But I also strongly believe he is not POTUS now for those very reasons. And that makes me even more po'd at him.

**I did not vote for him in the first time primary. But once he was running against HRC, it was a no brainer.
With Joe, I honestly thought in FEB 20 that he was going to be a good candidate....but he pivoted left and never came back (until last night). By the time that election came around, I couldn't vote for Biden due ot his leftward turn.
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You know, this country has a **** ton of people that really like Trump. What does everyone think of those people?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

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Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
Yep. That's what he's saying... which would be incorrect!

Trump did not even get one ****ing day in office before it started...
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Oh, I didn't realize we are now standing with the Iranian people…
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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TheStorm said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
Yep. That's what he's saying... which would be incorrect!

Trump did not even get one ****ing day in office before it started...
Actually, Meghan Kelley started in on him in the very first debate…
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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TheStorm said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
Yep. That's what he's saying... which would be incorrect!

Trump did not even get one ****ing day in office before it started...
call me crazy, but when you campaign and make it part of every one of your campaign speeches that you are going to attack the media, you probably should ALSO expect a grace period for them to attack you back.
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TheStorm said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

caryking said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

Packchem91 said:

Steve Videtich said:

hokiewolf said:

Steve Videtich said:

cowboypack02 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

Biden says the left's entire political identity the last 2 years keeps Americans from seeing things have gotten so much better for them.


if only you could see all the good! It's really dumb of him to say this, makes his administration look completely out of touch.
In all fairness they are completely out of touch for the most part


And the bigger problem is the number of Americans who don't see that.
Do we know that for sure though? I think this election cycle will be the 2nd litmus test, especially is the Republicans out perform the historic gains that the party not in the White House has gotten in the mid-term elections.


We'll see! I think there's a big awakening going on right now in our country. But I still think there's a lot of people out there that think the democrats are all about the little guy.

I'm don't know man, I think there is still a great divide going on. Both "sides" pushing further to the edge and justifying not cooperating with anyone who differs from them.
I just think Biden has been such a dolt, that one side is getting louder than it was before, amd those who were turned off by his predecessor are wishing they had a better option than either.

As for the quote above…what is out of touch about the comment is, he wouldn't be president without Covid and the political battle that occurred over it leading up to the election



I agree that 70 to 80% of the people are in the middle and not that far apart. The problem lies in the fact that the outliers are the ones getting all the focus right now.

There are far right people just as there are far left people. Just my opinion, but I don't think the far right is as crazy as the far left.. I think the far right is just somewhat old school. Again just my opinion.

Where I used to term the great awakening, refers to the people that have been complacent or non interested in politics over the last 20-30 years. Most of those people fall within your 70 to 80% group. They are waking up to to the outliers that are getting all the attention and saying what the h*** is going on!

As far as having a quality presidential candidate to vote for, think about it, who would want this d*** job! The way you are treated by people in the media especially if you're on the right. That leaves us with 1 of 2 candidates. Either you're an egomaniac or you're corrupt and you're using the position to gain millions for your family.

We have so many issues with in our own country that need to be addressed. So from where I stand, Give me the candidate that puts our country 1st and not the one that is selling it out from underneath our feet.
Oh I fully agree -- its the outliers who get all the hype -- but I think the advent of social media gives them so much more of a platform, that makes them seem much larger than the relatively small % I think they comprise.
And with that explanation, I get what you mean by awakening....but from this view, it sure doesn't look like its getting better. The Squad are like superheroes to many; likewise, Trump is like the kingmaker of the GOP now....I know a lot of folks here support that, but I think thats pretty scary.

And no doubt, you have to be weird to run for POTUS. Its certainly not the job for an 80 YO. Maybe 200 yrs ago an old POTUS could hide out with his advisers and no one knew...but in this instant access era, maybe we should reconsider the toll the job takes and the age we really want to impart those decisions upon.


Let me ask you a question. What is it about Trump that you don't like?
Besides being a horrible human being who is divisive by nature? **Clearly, i don't know the guy....but when you see a guy on TV for 4+ years, and get to read his own words on the tweeter, you can begin to gauge.
I mean, better than HRC as a human, but that is a low bar.

Second to that, complete lack of presidential being? I mean, Biden chokes on his words, but he's 80. Trump said caustic, mean-spirited, stupid things (the post-Charlottesville comments) because it is what he is. You can't be president and say the things he said on Jan 6 when you know you are speaking in front of an angry, fired up crowd.

Here's the thing....you, me, Cary, Hokie, the average American out there ---- we should all be angry with him because he couldn't be decent enough to win. He had every economic reason to have black people support him, but he pushed them away with dumb words multiple times.
With Covid, all he had to do was come across as somewhat empathetic and caring, and most people (who didn't work for media) would have given him somewhat of a pass, or at least, would not have held it against him.
He should still be President based on the total weight of the policies that got enacted.

And I know people now want to mock the "mean tweets"....well, yeah. If you have the most important job in the world, but want to spend time being a rambling a'hole who can't control his emotions on the game called twitter...you're going to turn off people...and I'm not sure why that is difficult for people to appreciate. **And to me, should again, anger folks who would prefer he be in the office now instead of the guy we have.

Chem, I think your post is very good. I will say: many people don't necessarily think the antics you do not like are problematic. I'm kind of in the middle.

Also, Chem, I currently still have the belief Trump did win the 2020 election. So, that part of your post; we probably will not agree on…. And that's ok…

I would say, most people would think Obama was far more Presidential than Trump. I would also say, give me Trump!

Here is where I am regarding Trump.. he brought on the whole idea of America First and everything that goes along with it. For that, I support him!

Honestly, the personal attacks that happen against people is really never good and that includes you and I when we do it. If we all can stay focused on policy and not the cult of personality, we can probably have better conversation and/or debate.
What Chem is really saying is that Donald Trump should have just sat back and let the liberal press assail him at every turn and just ignore it like George Bush did during the latter portion of his 2nd term.

I could have done without the twitter (I don't do twitter myself either)... but I fully applauded Trump for standing up for himself against a ridiculous MSM press.

As far as policy-wise went, Trump was the most successful President in that regard since Ronald Reagan.

I wouldn't be disappointed if Trump decides not to run, and DeSantis gets the nomination instead... but then again, then DeSantis becomes Trump and he gets the same damn treatment that Trump got (so Trump not running doesn't change anything in the big picture).

Honestly, it's not going to make one flying **** of a difference who gets the Republican nomination, because he / she's getting the Trump treatment regardless... and that's what Chem doesn't seem to understand as of yet for some unexplainable reason...
With respect to the media and the Bush White House, I disagree with you. What Bush did with the media as far as bringing the fight to them he did so the proper way behind the scenes.

I think Perino did a great job as press secretary to use the podium to be the policy voice of the administration. What you say with Trumps press secretaries, Trump himself, and the Biden Administration do is battle the press at the podium and make it very confrontational.

It looks great if that's your thing and your into the theater of it, but I'd rather the policy points be correctly issued out rather than the story being about the press vs the Administration


So, in your opinion, Trump and his staff were the ones that created the battle?
Yep. That's what he's saying... which would be incorrect!

Trump did not even get one ****ing day in office before it started...
In fairness, Trump didn't just start being an a-hole to the media when he became POTUS. I mean, didn't he do his mocking of the disabled reporter before the election? Didn't they bar certain reporters from the campaign trail?

Again, some of the media is not far removed from the "enemy of the state"....but lets not pretend Trump was a babe in the woods who walked into a bear trap. Heck, his lying about the size of the inauguration parade made him look like a buffoon and was just easy fodder for the media.

All this is self-induced pain, that could have been avoided.
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