Steve Videtich said:

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Werewolf said:

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For sure Cary. I'm OK with 'painting a finger after you vote' so u don't vote a 2nd time too. But it needs to be citizens voting. Citizens used to take a test when they arrived. That test required demonstration of understanding our Constitution.

We are under assault by the most powerful forces on the globe. Stopping their plan requires us to bolt down the hatches and come together. Watch the video I posted entitled Monopoly; it provides an overview of what we see today but most haven't yet connect the dots to,

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I'm sure the next steps are full expedited citizenship within the next couple of years, followed by a reunification program for the folks that haven't made it here yet. All just in time for voting, 2024.

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What we citizens need to be focusing on right now are educating others. Provide the information necessary to counter all the disinformation being sown. Aside from this, we absolutely must fix our voting system before 2022. I'm one that believes there are other things at work but we still must do our part by exercising our 1st amendment rights to educate others and to resist peacefully.

Trump wasn't part of the club and wasn't already blackmailed or on the take thus the all out effort to take him down.......thus it became much more apparent. We'd all like to focus on the treasures of life that liberty affords us but if we don't stop to focus on WEF and its NWO agenda we'll not have our liberty much longer. We face America's greatest challenge since 1776.

Werewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Werewolf said:

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For sure Cary. I'm OK with 'painting a finger after you vote' so u don't vote a 2nd time too. But it needs to be citizens voting. Citizens used to take a test when they arrived. That test required demonstration of understanding our Constitution.

We are under assault by the most powerful forces on the globe. Stopping their plan requires us to bolt down the hatches and come together. Watch the video I posted entitled Monopoly; it provides an overview of what we see today but most haven't yet connect the dots to,

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I'm sure the next steps are full expedited citizenship within the next couple of years, followed by a reunification program for the folks that haven't made it here yet. All just in time for voting, 2024.

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What we citizens need to be focusing on right now are educating others. Provide the information necessary to counter all the disinformation being sown. Aside from this, we absolutely must fix our voting system before 2022. I'm one that believes there are other things at work but we still must do our part by exercising our 1st amendment rights to educate others and to resist peacefully.

Trump wasn't part of the club and wasn't already blackmailed or on the take thus the all out effort to take him down.......thus it became much more apparent. We'd all like to focus on the treasures of life that liberty affords us but if we don't stop to focus on WEF and its NWO agenda we'll not have our liberty much longer. We face America's greatest challenge since 1776.

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What about our voting system needs fixing?

Civilized said:

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This is a dubious solution (with negative effect on voter access to the polls) in search of a problem (phantom voter fraud).

Elections boards around the country are bipartisan, which creates a healthy check and balance.

DHS/CISA demonstrated the 2020 election was the most secure in history.

Audit after audit confirmed the results in 2020.

Study after study substantiated the lack of fraud inherent in our current system, including mail-in balloting.

Why are you trying to "fix" a system that's not broken?

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Total BS

The 2020 "election" was 100% rigged on numerous levels. Everyone knows it.

The RINO Republicans were in on the fraud (eg, in Georgia, stealing the Senate Seats)

Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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This is a dubious solution (with negative effect on voter access to the polls) in search of a problem (phantom voter fraud).

Elections boards around the country are bipartisan, which creates a healthy check and balance.

DHS/CISA demonstrated the 2020 election was the most secure in history.

Audit after audit confirmed the results in 2020.

Study after study substantiated the lack of fraud inherent in our current system, including mail-in balloting.

Why are you trying to "fix" a system that's not broken?

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Total BS

The 2020 "election" was 100% rigged on numerous levels. Everyone knows it.

The RINO Republicans were in on the fraud (eg, in Georgia, stealing the Senate Seats)

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Saying it was rigged over and over doesn't make it true.

There's been no evidence of consequential improprieties or fraud ever produced.

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That's not what the Racine county sheriffs office is saying in Wisconsin.

The Georgia state legislature now feels that Fulton county can no longer be trusted with local control of elections.

Investigators in two states want to know why their boards of elections ordered hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots just before Election Day with no time left to mail out, let alone be returned before deadlines.

Voting machine vendors are refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Election observers were forced out of venues as counting continued, in Philadelphia and Atlanta.

State boards of elections in key battlegrounds disregarded state election laws in their conduct of the election.

Tell us what you would accept as evidence.

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Oh I don't know, maybe taking actual evidence into an actual courtroom where there are adults in the room that abide by actual rules of law, and having them determine that consequential, result-altering fraud occurred?

Maybe not having the two bandwagon leaders of the Stop the Steal movement sound like loons and be sued for a billion dollars each and be reviewed for professional ethics violations because their claims were erroneous, dangerous, and probably criminally libelous?

Not having countless Secretaries of State and bipartisan elections board across the country rebut and rebuke claims of fraud under their purview?

You know, stuff like that.

packgrad said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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This is a dubious solution (with negative effect on voter access to the polls) in search of a problem (phantom voter fraud).

Elections boards around the country are bipartisan, which creates a healthy check and balance.

DHS/CISA demonstrated the 2020 election was the most secure in history.

Audit after audit confirmed the results in 2020.

Study after study substantiated the lack of fraud inherent in our current system, including mail-in balloting.

Why are you trying to "fix" a system that's not broken?

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Total BS

The 2020 "election" was 100% rigged on numerous levels. Everyone knows it.

The RINO Republicans were in on the fraud (eg, in Georgia, stealing the Senate Seats)

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Saying it was rigged over and over doesn't make it true.

There's been no evidence of consequential improprieties or fraud ever produced.

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That's not what the Racine county sheriffs office is saying in Wisconsin.

The Georgia state legislature now feels that Fulton county can no longer be trusted with local control of elections.

Investigators in two states want to know why their boards of elections ordered hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots just before Election Day with no time left to mail out, let alone be returned before deadlines.

Voting machine vendors are refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Election observers were forced out of venues as counting continued, in Philadelphia and Atlanta.

State boards of elections in key battlegrounds disregarded state election laws in their conduct of the election.

Tell us what you would accept as evidence.

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Lol. But when he says there's no evidence over and over again it makes it true.

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Not "he says."

"Countless courts, studies, and reviews" say.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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This is a dubious solution (with negative effect on voter access to the polls) in search of a problem (phantom voter fraud).

Elections boards around the country are bipartisan, which creates a healthy check and balance.

DHS/CISA demonstrated the 2020 election was the most secure in history.

Audit after audit confirmed the results in 2020.

Study after study substantiated the lack of fraud inherent in our current system, including mail-in balloting.

Why are you trying to "fix" a system that's not broken?

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Total BS

The 2020 "election" was 100% rigged on numerous levels. Everyone knows it.

The RINO Republicans were in on the fraud (eg, in Georgia, stealing the Senate Seats)

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Saying it was rigged over and over doesn't make it true.

There's been no evidence of consequential improprieties or fraud ever produced.

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That's not what the Racine county sheriffs office is saying in Wisconsin.

The Georgia state legislature now feels that Fulton county can no longer be trusted with local control of elections.

Investigators in two states want to know why their boards of elections ordered hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots just before Election Day with no time left to mail out, let alone be returned before deadlines.

Voting machine vendors are refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Election observers were forced out of venues as counting continued, in Philadelphia and Atlanta.

State boards of elections in key battlegrounds disregarded state election laws in their conduct of the election.

Tell us what you would accept as evidence.

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Lol. But when he says there's no evidence over and over again it makes it true.

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Not "he says."

"Countless courts, studies, and reviews" say.

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No. "#notademocrat says."

Civilized said:

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Saying it was rigged over and over doesn't make it true.

There's been no evidence of consequential improprieties or fraud ever produced.

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"no evidence"

There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence. For starters, Trump winning in every battleground state on election day/night....then at 3-4am on election night in every battleground state ~200,000 - 300,000 "absentee ballots" magically "show up" which are ~99% for Biden. And they busted them with the boxes of ballots being unloaded & pulled out...and recently found the company that printed a bunch of ballots in the few days before election day.

And that just scratches the surface of all the evidence of the MASSIVE election fraud -- eg, the vote-flipping software and vote-flipping seen in real time, all the dead people voting, etc.

BTW, did you see the left wing Politico poll. 35% of those polled said the election should be overturned. That's not 35% believe the election was stolen; again, that's 35% that believe it should overturned!

I think, in that same poll, 60% of independents (isn't that what Civ and Chem say they are) believe the election should be overturned! That's a stunning amount of people.

Remember, this isn't some right wing rag; rather, it's Politico!

Oldsouljer said:

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One day to vote, in person. Absentees for military only. Paper ballots, hard copy precinct voter lists, electronic tabulation outlawed.

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So tax paying Americans that live overseas should not get a vote? Taxation without representation.

Cthepack said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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One day to vote, in person. Absentees for military only. Paper ballots, hard copy precinct voter lists, electronic tabulation outlawed.

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So tax paying Americans that live overseas should not get a vote? Taxation without representation.

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If it's so important, schedule a flight home for Election Day. The electoral system can't be flexible enough to accommodate everyone's whines and excuses and still be airtight against fraud.

Oldsouljer said:

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Cthepack said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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One day to vote, in person. Absentees for military only. Paper ballots, hard copy precinct voter lists, electronic tabulation outlawed.

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So tax paying Americans that live overseas should not get a vote? Taxation without representation.

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If it's so important, schedule a flight home for Election Day. The electoral system can't be flexible enough to accommodate everyone's whines and excuses and still be airtight against fraud.

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SMH.

caryking said:

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Maricopa County, Arizona showed we had 36K votes, by individuals, that made 2 votes. I think it was Hokie that said we had bookkeeping problems... That's ridiculous!! What we had was cheating!!

So, Civ, there is your evidence in one State.

Civ, not one of your so called court rulings ever ruled on anything other than Standing! You're right, we didn't have a single court look at any evidence! So, I agree, we should have this done...

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no what I said was the article you posted that said proves there was widespread fraud actually said the opposite. There isn't even circumstantial evidence of voter fraud in Arizona. There are only theories and 1/2 connected dots. I just don't see the proof

^There is much more going on behind the scenes pertaining to election fraud in a number of states. My approach is to not talk about it because its simply gotta be shown to the people and several states are not yet caught up to Az. I think Az is being held back until its all put together. We'll see but we get this shi$ fixed or plan for a social credit score here in the US if we don't. If you think woke'ism is a problem now, you'll find out how far that concept can go. The World Economic Forum - Klaus Schwab (a R0&hchild) - says we won't own anything in 2030 and we will be very happy. That's where we're at...somehow they're going to take your home, other real estate, your business and your automobiles......take time to learn what the he$$ is going on, Know that you will learn nothing but lies from TV's MSM with the exception of Tucker Carlson who is trying hard to work around the controls to provide some truth. As a network, OAN is easily the best truth teller. How many of you know about the massive protests against the VAX jab all over the world? How many of you know about the harsh lockdowns in Australia? Do you know what's going on in Canada? Who is Justin Trudeau..... who's his daddy?

You're living in LALA Land if you don't recognize the significant shift that has occurred in this country alone but take time to learn what's going on all over the world.

I'll try this one more time...it was blocked the 1st time I tried.

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caryking said:

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Maricopa County, Arizona showed we had 36K votes, by individuals, that made 2 votes. I think it was Hokie that said we had bookkeeping problems... That's ridiculous!! What we had was cheating!!

So, Civ, there is your evidence in one State.

Civ, not one of your so called court rulings ever ruled on anything other than Standing! You're right, we didn't have a single court look at any evidence! So, I agree, we should have this done...

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Regarding standing, that's simply not true Cary.

I know that's what the Stop the Steal crowd likes to say so they can tell themselves the claims may have merit because they were thrown out on technicalities, but many of the cases were thrown out for insufficient demonstration of evidence or the lawyers voluntarily withdrew the cases because they knew they had no chance of winning. The claims were legally frivolous and the judges hearing the cases frequently spoke to that.

Go read any summary of the many case results.

Regarding several different cases (and there were 70 at last count I think):

"...A judge threw out the case, saying Trump's lawyers presented the court "with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpaid in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."

"...the judge dismissed the case after Trump's lawyers said Republican election watchers were, in fact, present."

"...the lawyers withdrew from the case."

"...she withdrew the case two days later and lost the election."

"...but a judge rejected it and pointed out in his ruling that fraud wasn't an issue."

"...a state judge dismissed the case, saying the arguments have 'no basis in fact and law.'"

"...Judge Timothy Kenny denied the motion on the grounds that there was no proof that election oversight protocol hadn't been followed."

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Maricopa County, Arizona showed we had 36K votes, by individuals, that made 2 votes. I think it was Hokie that said we had bookkeeping problems... That's ridiculous!! What we had was cheating!!

So, Civ, there is your evidence in one State.

Civ, not one of your so called court rulings ever ruled on anything other than Standing! You're right, we didn't have a single court look at any evidence! So, I agree, we should have this done...

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Regarding standing, that's simply not true Cary.

I know that's what the Stop the Steal crowd likes to say so they can tell themselves the claims may have merit because they were thrown out on technicalities, but many of the cases were thrown out for insufficient demonstration of evidence or the lawyers voluntarily withdrew the cases because they knew they had no chance of winning. The claims were legally frivolous and the judges hearing the cases frequently spoke to that.

Go read any summary of the many case results.

Regarding several different cases (and there were 70 at last count I think):

"...A judge threw out the case, saying Trump's lawyers presented the court "with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpaid in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."

"...the judge dismissed the case after Trump's lawyers said Republican election watchers were, in fact, present."

"...the lawyers withdrew from the case."

"...she withdrew the case two days later and lost the election."

"...but a judge rejected it and pointed out in his ruling that fraud wasn't an issue."

"...a state judge dismissed the case, saying the arguments have 'no basis in fact and law.'"

"...Judge Timothy Kenny denied the motion on the grounds that there was no proof that election oversight protocol hadn't been followed."

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Civ, ok, you are correct on those. I'll give you that. I think we are seeing a difference in some of the cases. We had a number of different plaintiffs in a number of different cases. What I'm saying is that the cases that are being supported by the true MAGA lawyers are being thrown out without standing...

This is probably too vast to see all the different cases to really sum up what's happening. I encourage you to watch other news agency's to understand the differences.

That being said, I think we are both correct in our argument...

What's happened to the weekly update about Biden being a vegetable?

Reads like a directional correction after the Dems went full loco-left wing in the past 12 months. The saying I used to hear from my parents all the time..."if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile" comes to mind.

it rightly scared folks who couldn't stand Trump azzhattery, but also didn't want wacko policies to be implemented -- at the national and local levels. And if the media had actually reported with a more cautionary eye on the policy discussions over the past year -- as they did with a vehemence for the previous 4 years, voting would likely be even more one-sided