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I haven't looked at this thread in a while, but anybody defending the handling of what just happened by a demented pedophile in the White House is just crazy.

Trump did want to get us out of there, but it would have been handled much different and Trump let it be known he was not going to play games. The Taliban is laughing and mocking the oatmeal and ice cream that is dripping all over Biden's clothes and he doesn't know.

Steve, thanks again for your service. Desert Storm was how a war should be run, but the stupid politicians GHWBush and Colin Powell screwed it up. Had they let the military finish the job, we never would have had to go back there.

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This is where you and I disagree. If Trump was in office, you would have still seen the same collapse in the Afghan government then you are seeing now. The US never had the intention to win the war. The fact that some people believe that tough talk would keep the Taliban at bay is laughable. As soon as the US troops left, they made their move because their only play was to win. They were the only ones at the table that had a winning strategy. Neither Trump nor Biden would have changed the eventual outcome of the Taliban taking back control.

Now, the current debacle of evacuation is all on Biden. I don't buy for a second that any of what you're seeing now in Afghanistan is part of "Trumps plan" and I.e. his fault. It was pretty funny that Biden said the buck stops with him and then he went on to blame Trump and the Afghan government. That's the opposite of accountability.

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hokiewolf said:

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I haven't looked at this thread in a while, but anybody defending the handling of what just happened by a demented pedophile in the White House is just crazy.

Trump did want to get us out of there, but it would have been handled much different and Trump let it be known he was not going to play games. The Taliban is laughing and mocking the oatmeal and ice cream that is dripping all over Biden's clothes and he doesn't know.

Steve, thanks again for your service. Desert Storm was how a war should be run, but the stupid politicians GHWBush and Colin Powell screwed it up. Had they let the military finish the job, we never would have had to go back there.

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This is where you and I disagree. If Trump was in office, you would have still seen the same collapse in the Afghan government then you are seeing now. The US never had the intention to win the war. The fact that some people believe that tough talk would keep the Taliban at bay is laughable. As soon as the US troops left, they made their move because their only play was to win. They were the only ones at the table that had a winning strategy. Neither Trump nor Biden would have changed the eventual outcome of the Taliban taking back control.

Now, the current debacle of evacuation is all on Biden. I don't buy for a second that any of what you're seeing now in Afghanistan is part of "Trumps plan" and I.e. his fault. It was pretty funny that Biden said the buck stops with him and then he went on to blame Trump and the Afghan government. That's the opposite of accountability.

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hokiewolf said:

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This is true, it's perplexing to try and blame this all on Trump. Just shows Biden's weakness in that he likes to think he's a great leader but he'll never be one because he doesn't have any of the traits to be one.

The US being in a 20 year war with no victory strategy is one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American taxpayers in some time.

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I agree with one exception. We should have also nailed Iran at that time, and we've been paying for that ever since. Much bigger country but no need to fully invade, just separate the ethnic Arabs in oil producing southwest Iran into their own country, would have set back Teheran for decades.

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Well that was Jimmy Carter's fiasco that should have been handled in 1979

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I agree with one exception. We should have also nailed Iran at that time, and we've been paying for that ever since. Much bigger country but no need to fully invade, just separate the ethnic Arabs in oil producing southwest Iran into their own country, would have set back Teheran for decades.

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Well that was Jimmy Carter's fiasco that should have been handled in 1979

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Carter was a weak excuse for a President but I doubt the post-Vietnam military was ready for an op like that, given the relatively small-scale Desert One (Operation Eagle Claw) debacle.

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Biden Press Secretary Jen Psaki can’t offer any guarantee that all Americans will be evacuated from Afghanistan pic.twitter.com/0XKueyBXCg

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 17, 2021

Among those raising objections or doubts about President Biden’s Afghanistan withdrawal plan were the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Defense Secretary, and the Secretary of State. First rate from ⁦@KThomasDC⁩ & ⁦@vmsalama⁩ https://t.co/ERazqDp1pX

— Paul Beckett (@paulwsj) August 17, 2021

Biden once said 'f–k that' on US obligation to stay in Afghanistan https://t.co/7Dk7hKRHTF pic.twitter.com/BJaP9YlF1p

— New York Post (@nypost) August 17, 2021

#Taliban eat ice-cream #Kabul #Afghanistan . pic.twitter.com/du5g9QRZIx

— Abdulhaq Omeri (@AbdulhaqOmeri) August 17, 2021

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I'm not sure what you expect when 9 of the last 13 years we've had administrations that openly demonized their own country and rejected American exceptionalism. And then we had the bulk of the National press sing a loud chorus of the same talking points for the other 4 years. No wonder these people rejected democracy

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I'm not sure what you expect when 9 of the last 13 years we've had administrations that openly demonized their own country and rejected American exceptionalism. And then we had the bulk of the National press sing a loud chorus of the same talking points for the other 4 years. No wonder these people rejected democracy

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Great freaking post....

Dear Leader said "lead from behind..."

Last time I checked if you ain't the lead dog the view is ****ty..... MSM has finally come around and have read the room.

Wait until tomorrow..... it's going to be bad in NC.

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"To be blunt, too many grownups on the American left have thrown in the towel. Many of the same Democratic leaders who, just a few years ago, were cheering Common Core and Obama's Race to the Top, now nod along as the woke fringe and "diversity, equity, and inclusion" officialdom insist that schools frequently serve as little more than engines of systemic racism. This line of argument turns out to be surprisingly convenient for Democratic officials, as it permits them to placate the woke base, back away from the kinds of demands that offend their teacher union allies, and suggest that the disappointments of grandiose school reform were a product not of their missteps or excessive faith in bureaucracies but of the public's own moral failings."

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"To be blunt, too many grownups on the American left have thrown in the towel. Many of the same Democratic leaders who, just a few years ago, were cheering Common Core and Obama's Race to the Top, now nod along as the woke fringe and "diversity, equity, and inclusion" officialdom insist that schools frequently serve as little more than engines of systemic racism. This line of argument turns out to be surprisingly convenient for Democratic officials, as it permits them to placate the woke base, back away from the kinds of demands that offend their teacher union allies, and suggest that the disappointments of grandiose school reform were a product not of their missteps or excessive faith in bureaucracies but of the public's own moral failings."

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SMDH!
This is Equity on the march

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It's going to happen...

Why don't they just get people to wear arm bands? I'm sure Isiswolf would enjoy that.... just saying.

He loves AOC and the Flunky Bunch.. especially Talib and Omar...... he's a fan. he absolutely defended their Anti-Semitic comments... twice.

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Absolutely pathetic attempt.

I've only spoken down about the squad and have never defended anti-Semitism. Prove it liar

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I don't need to prove what you said months ago. You defended Talib. You know damn well you did. You stayed away for a few weeks after doing it. You are the liar. And a bad one at that comrade Isis.

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You really are delusional aren't you?

I made a comment about Amash and you tried to shoehorn Tlaib for an utterly unrelated point. I never defended her or anything she's said. You then started lying about it immediately.

And I "stayed away" because my kid had just started daycare and I'd been given a control of a new project at work. I have better things to do than argue with someone who's never once tried to engage in good faith.

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And yet you continue to deflect and not address the fact that Tilab was on the same stage as Amash and you supported them. Thanks for pointing it out comrade. Noticed you completely glossed over the topic at hand. You do you. MARXISM/COMMUNISM suits you well. Your spin is obvious. Pretty sure you aren't upset with how things are going over there. Congrats Isiswolf. Your terror group appears to be coming back.

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*** are you talking about? Amash was "on the same stage" with virtually every Republican in congress. Your original post trying to tie them together, and them somehow tie them to me, were some truly terrible leaps of logic.

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LOL... feeling guilty there Isiswolf?

You mean Amash that left before he was booted from the GOP? You mean Amash that stood on stage with same politician, Talib, that wore a Hamas scarf on the floor of Congress? The same one that when you said you supported Amash I asked you what your thoughts were about Talib's comments and the fact that Amash was a self-proclaimed "supporter" of hers? And he NEVER once denounced her Anti-Semitic stance. I pointed that out to you and you never did either. You continued to voice your support for Amash.

That Amash? LMAO... I let it go.. you seem intent on digging it up. Go ahead... here's your platform Isiswolf...

Denounce Amash and Talib. Denounce their Anti-Semitic positions, comments, views and statements. Denounce their political position on the BDS movement.. which I asked you about and you dodged the question. I don't need you to answer that one.. it's pretty damn obvious your stance.

Go ahead Isis... tell us where you stand. There's more than one set of eyes on you for this one comrade.

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You keep trying to link Amash and Tlaib but you don't have much to stand on besides them both being from Michigan. Amash has said multiple times he doesn't support BDS. You're engaging in the worst of political BS trying to assign someone's views via multiple degrees of separation.

You continue to go lower and lower, scraping the barrel when you accuse me of supporting terrorism. Think about what you are implying. It's disgusting. And let's not forget you are the derailing this thread, repeatedly trying to drag this back up with your "Isis" stick.

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YOU brought this entire situation back up a few pages ago. Not me Isiswolf.

YOU are the one derailing the thread.

YOU have yet to comment about the current situation or for what I can tell anything about this administration.

YOU also didn't denounce Tilab, Amash, supporting BDS or Anti-Semitism.

I know damn well what I am saying. I always was told if it walks like a duck, quacks like a ducks and looks like a duck... well hell... it may be a duck.

Now... here's your chance. Denounce Tilab, Amash, BDS and Anti-Semitism.... here's your platform to do so Isiswolf. The floor is yours.

You won't.. you'll disappear only to come back crying and whining... AGAIN.... throw your flag big guy...


Last time I'm addressing this on this thread. Your leader is ****ting the bed for the world to see and all you can do is complain about me. Typical lefty.....

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"To be blunt, too many grownups on the American left have thrown in the towel. Many of the same Democratic leaders who, just a few years ago, were cheering Common Core and Obama's Race to the Top, now nod along as the woke fringe and "diversity, equity, and inclusion" officialdom insist that schools frequently serve as little more than engines of systemic racism. This line of argument turns out to be surprisingly convenient for Democratic officials, as it permits them to placate the woke base, back away from the kinds of demands that offend their teacher union allies, and suggest that the disappointments of grandiose school reform were a product not of their missteps or excessive faith in bureaucracies but of the public's own moral failings."

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SMDH!
This is Equity on the march

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Oregon Governor Kate Brown has signed into law a bill that eliminates the requirement that students in the state's public high schools be able to demonstrate basic ability in reading and math to graduate. This, it is said, will make things more "fair" for minority students.

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"To be blunt, too many grownups on the American left have thrown in the towel. Many of the same Democratic leaders who, just a few years ago, were cheering Common Core and Obama's Race to the Top, now nod along as the woke fringe and "diversity, equity, and inclusion" officialdom insist that schools frequently serve as little more than engines of systemic racism. This line of argument turns out to be surprisingly convenient for Democratic officials, as it permits them to placate the woke base, back away from the kinds of demands that offend their teacher union allies, and suggest that the disappointments of grandiose school reform were a product not of their missteps or excessive faith in bureaucracies but of the public's own moral failings."

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SMDH!
This is Equity on the march

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Well, if we get the left leaning people dumb enough; hopefully, they will not vote!!!

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hokiewolf said:

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This is clearly become a presidency that is falling apart and a President who recognizes it. It'll be fascinating to see what happens in. The next few months. Biden is looking like a one and done.

Hopefully the Republicans don't find a way to screw it up. But I'm sure they will

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hokiewolf said:

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This is clearly become a presidency that is falling apart and a President who recognizes it. It'll be fascinating to see what happens in. The next few months. Biden is looking like a one and done.

Hopefully the Republicans don't find a way to screw it up. But I'm sure they will

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