Steve Videtich said:
Civilized said:
Steve Videtich said:
Civilized said:
Steve Videtich said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Steve Videtich said:
hokiewolf said:
This guy is really gets it. Instead of coming up with a plan to help with the average $30 extra families are paying for gas every month, just spend $55k on a new electric vehicle! But not a Tesla, because they are not union and you won't get the tax break!
That's great advice coming from the establishment group that are heavily invested in electric car companies and the Bidens who are heavily invested in China's success.
Yea, where are we getting those batteries?
You can question Buttigieg's messaging and Washington's connections to China till the cows come home.
But do you really believe that the transition to EV's is imprudent given the totality of the circumstances?
I'm probably asking for trouble. But, what circumstances are you speaking of?
All the benefits and drawbacks of electric vehicles relative to gas vehicles.
That's fairly vague...but my issue with this entire discussion is that they're trying to force the issue by cutting off one source of energy before renewable energy is even really close to manageable and efficient. I agree that we should try and move toward renewables, but the technology hasn't gotten to where it's even close to workable.
If you compare the average cost of buying a new gas car, which is around $36k and an electric car at around $54k, you're comparing a monthly payment of about $549 versus $823. Even at today's gas prices, you're spending only $160-$200 per month. That's still less than paying for an electric car. Also, the electricity has to still be produced somehow.
You just can't force the issue without the solution being serviceable.
What source of energy is being cut off, and how?
Most new-car buyers aren't typically considering a $36k gas car or a $54k electric. There are a bunch of sub-$40k EV's on the market now.
They're considering a new car, have $30k-$40k to spend on one, and are comparing gas and electric vehicles in that price range knowing that they'll pay more for electric but may get a nice tax credit that draws the cost of the EV in line with a relatively comparable gas model and then get to experience much lower maintenance and energy costs over the life of the car.
I knew I shouldn't have bothered. Stop being wilfully ignorant. You know the Keystone pipeline was shut down. Also, the Michigan pipeline is being considered for shutdown. As well, all permits for exploration of new oil and natural gas sources are shut down.
My numbers were based on average, but I guess you know what the public is doing. The math is still not there based on the numbers. Not to mention the limited life of the batteries doesn't work for many people that rely on their cars. Also, by allowing China to corner the market on batteries, do you think the prices for these are going to come down or go up? What about all the parts to fix these cars? Again China control.
We had control of our destiny with oil and gas, and potential for rare earth materials. But, we've handed that off to the rest of the world. So, how does that set up the US for coming years? Not looking good!
Stop being willfully misleading.
Biden didn't "shut down" the Keystone pipeline. That makes it sound like it was operational. He pulled the Keystone permit for a project that was in development. That move had no effect on existing production.
He didn't stop new exploration either, he put a moratorium on new leasing of federal land for oil exploration and development. And several months later, an inunction was granted that paused that moratorium.
He also didn't shut down "all permits for exploration of new oil and gas." There have been more permits issued by BLM this year than last year.
Irrespective of the moratorium injunction status, there are currently 40 million on- and offshore acres under existing leases that can be explored. And even if the moratorium injunction is eventually lifted, the moratorium only impacts new leases on federal lands, and federal lands only account for 25 percent of our current domestic production.
We have the capacity to produce lots of conventional oil and gas energy for the foreseeable future. The spigot isn't getting cut off suddenly and dramatically.
