ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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NCSUBill said:

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$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.

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ciscopack said:

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NCSUBill said:

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$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.

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Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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ciscopack said:

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NCSUBill said:

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$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.

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Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.

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You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.

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You're obviously wrong.

There are five or six key drivers of gas prices.

The mood of the "owners of the oil rigs" is not one of them.

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BBW12OG said:

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ciscopack said:

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NCSUBill said:

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$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.

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Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.

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You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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LOL, don't put Trump's ridiculousness on Fauci (or the CDC, or the WHO). They were afraid we were going to run out of PPE if everybody in the country started scrounging for N95's but even despite that fear they walked back their early erroneous mask guidance quickly. Trump carried on with his mixed messaging and making fun of masks for months after the CDC and WHO changed their guidance.

I'm not going to waste time pulling up quotes but for months we all heard Trump say COVID wasn't a big deal, was seasonal, we were over the hump, make fun of Biden and others for masking, shun masking himself, etc. Trump supporters ate that **** up but it turned off independents, most of whom had voted for him in 2016. Trump's margin in 2016 wasn't sufficient to withstand losing the support of independents and moderate dems. They propelled him to victory in 16 and he lost enough of them in 20 to lose the election.

Trump could have not been gloom and doom and have been honest about where we were, what we needed to do, and how bad it could get if we didn't mitigate. We didn't need gloom and doom, we needed honest and coherent communication and he failed at it. It was this generation's version of Reagan's completely ignorant botching of the AIDS crisis.

I think the two most important late-game events that hurt him acutely in the race were him catching the Rona and landing in the hospital in October with a serious case of it after downplaying it, and the clown show that was his first debate performance. He was on the ropes before those two events but they were crushing for his chances down the stretch.

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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LOL, don't put Trump's ridiculousness on Fauci (or the CDC, or the WHO). They were afraid we were going to run out of PPE if everybody in the country started scrounging for N95's but even despite that fear they walked back their early erroneous mask guidance quickly. Trump carried on with his mixed messaging and making fun of masks for months after the CDC and WHO changed their guidance.

I'm not going to waste time pulling up quotes but for months we all heard Trump say COVID wasn't a big deal, was seasonal, we were over the hump, make fun of Biden and others for masking, shun masking himself, etc. Trump supporters ate that **** up but it turned off independents, most of whom had voted for him in 2016. Trump's margin in 2016 wasn't sufficient to withstand losing the support of independents and moderate dems. They propelled him to victory in 16 and he lost enough of them in 20 to lose the election.

Trump could have not been gloom and doom and have been honest about where we were, what we needed to do, and how bad it could get if we didn't mitigate. We didn't need gloom and doom, we needed honest and coherent communication and he failed at it. It was this generation's version of Reagan's completely ignorant botching of the AIDS crisis.

I think the two most important late-game events that hurt him acutely in the race were him catching the Rona and landing in the hospital in October with a serious case of it after downplaying it, and the clown show that was his first debate performance. He was on the ropes before those two events but they were crushing for his chances down the stretch.

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tuffy1006 said:

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off topic I guess...but I sure as hell hope this is the guy for the republican party in 2024, but I fear you Trump supporters will not let that happen.

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hokiewolf said:

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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...

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. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...

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. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...

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. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much

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So, Trump creates an executive order (defense production act) for car manufacturers to build ventilators. You are saying: everyone reported on the executive order; however, none of the ventilators were built and used. I don't know whether they were built and used, that's for sure. What I do know is that we had plenty of ventilators.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/01/gm-ford-wrap-up-ventilator-production-and-shift-back-to-auto-business/

Could this have been to shut up Cuomo? When Cuomo was getting his Emmy (whatever he got) and the media was loving him, it sounds like we never had a ventilator problem as described by him and the media. Whatever...

It's all noise!!

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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ciscopack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview


God bless Dr. Anthony Fauci.

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ciscopack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

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What mistakes do you think he made?

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The first debate was a pretty big one.

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You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview

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cowboypack02 said:

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ciscopack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.

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How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?

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Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.

---

What mistakes do you think he made?

---

The first debate was a pretty big one.

---

You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

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He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.

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You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

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My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview

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I actually agree with you here....the difference is it that this got used politically against Trump. Fauci got a pass on being wrong because we were just learning about it but Trump got hammered for the same reason.


The 8 minute video proves Dr. Fauci was mostly correct and always using science. It has many parts of interviews from last Jan., Feb. and March.....all recorded and on TV. The man was ahead of the unknown game!!!!!!!! The Donald was mostly fighting science.

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