The Biden Administration

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caryking
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cowboypack02 said:

PackBacker07 said:

Texas (amongst many other GOP groups) tried to sue the states that Biden won and attacked their election standards. Was that ok with you? This is an honest question.


Actually...considering that the legislatures in those state were completely ignored, which goes against article two of the constitution.

Take NC for instance....a democrat sued the state and the attorney general and BOE, who are all democrats BTW, went along with the the lawsuit and changed election law. That in itself is illegal because it is unconstitutional.

Same thing happened in several states....including PA, GA, NV, and AZ.

I honestly think it was a crime that the supreme court didn't pick this up and rule on it
Packbacker, if you consider the constitution, then your question is answered by multiple people here. We have had numerous examples of this, I'm sure, by both parties. They shouldn't be allowed because the constitution gives the power to the legislature.

Mark Elias, a democratic lawyer, was heavily involved in these changes prior to the 2020 election. Also, look up the consent decree Stacy Abrams was involved in. These actions, regardless of who does them, is flat out unconstitutional! In GA, both the Governor and SOS were both Republican and they somehow allowed this to happen. I will always say: follow the money...
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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I remember when the left supposedly cared about unaccompanied children. Frauds.


BBW12OG
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This is an ELECTED member of congress. I guess she had too many glasses of Moscato last night and decided it would be a good idea to remind the world just how damn stupid she is.

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Ok lefties.... here it is. This is SOCIALISM 101. Please read through this and explain how this is democracy.

Each and every one of you that has made fun of me calling Sleepy Joe and his initiatives SOCIALISM can go pound sand. Here it is laid out in black and white for the world to see. This is the first part of a three pronged plan. Each gets more government involved and takes decisions away from the people. You know what that is called?

SOCIALISM.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/31/fact-sheet-the-american-jobs-plan/
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It's way worse spoken it is on paper.

"you get a job, you get a job, you get a house, you get a house..."

How the hell are we going to pay for this Sleepy Joe??? How???

And also, you are saying that all these "new" opportunities are going to be made available for minorities and POC. How damn racist is that???? You told the American people that the minorities will be leading the way with the contracts being awarded. Not the best leading the way. Filling a damn quota.

Way to lefties. Watching this press conference shows exactly what happens when the left is in power.
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The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
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hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
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Such a group of ******bags.


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hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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NCSUBill said:

$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.
Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.
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ciscopack said:

NCSUBill said:

$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.
Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.
You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.
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BBW12OG said:

ciscopack said:

NCSUBill said:

$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.
Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.
You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.

You're obviously wrong.

There are five or six key drivers of gas prices.

The mood of the "owners of the oil rigs" is not one of them.
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Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

ciscopack said:

NCSUBill said:

$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.
Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.
You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.

You're obviously wrong.

There are five or six key drivers of gas prices.

The mood of the "owners of the oil rigs" is not one of them.


Lots of Economists would say OPEC is a cartel. They are owners of a lot of oil rigs. How are they not one of the things that influence oil prices?
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BBW12OG said:

ciscopack said:

NCSUBill said:

$4/ liter gas is on the way. That will cerainly create jobs, since so much of the country has a public transportation system or live within walking or bicycling distance from work.
Maybe; who controls that?

Just found a receipt from Murphy in Zebulon for Sept. 19, 2019....regular was $2.469 and I bought the same product there yesterday at $2.369 and punched in my phone and saw Murphy in Wake Forest was $2.319.
You know who controls it? The owners of the oil rigs. You know why they are raising prices? You and your lefties want to shut down all the natural gas, oil, coal energy.

Please tell me I'm wrong. If not...well... you have a nice day.
I just paid 10 cents less than I did at the same convenience store in Sept. 2019
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pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
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Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

LOL, don't put Trump's ridiculousness on Fauci (or the CDC, or the WHO). They were afraid we were going to run out of PPE if everybody in the country started scrounging for N95's but even despite that fear they walked back their early erroneous mask guidance quickly. Trump carried on with his mixed messaging and making fun of masks for months after the CDC and WHO changed their guidance.

I'm not going to waste time pulling up quotes but for months we all heard Trump say COVID wasn't a big deal, was seasonal, we were over the hump, make fun of Biden and others for masking, shun masking himself, etc. Trump supporters ate that **** up but it turned off independents, most of whom had voted for him in 2016. Trump's margin in 2016 wasn't sufficient to withstand losing the support of independents and moderate dems. They propelled him to victory in 16 and he lost enough of them in 20 to lose the election.

Trump could have not been gloom and doom and have been honest about where we were, what we needed to do, and how bad it could get if we didn't mitigate. We didn't need gloom and doom, we needed honest and coherent communication and he failed at it. It was this generation's version of Reagan's completely ignorant botching of the AIDS crisis.

I think the two most important late-game events that hurt him acutely in the race were him catching the Rona and landing in the hospital in October with a serious case of it after downplaying it, and the clown show that was his first debate performance. He was on the ropes before those two events but they were crushing for his chances down the stretch.
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Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

LOL, don't put Trump's ridiculousness on Fauci (or the CDC, or the WHO). They were afraid we were going to run out of PPE if everybody in the country started scrounging for N95's but even despite that fear they walked back their early erroneous mask guidance quickly. Trump carried on with his mixed messaging and making fun of masks for months after the CDC and WHO changed their guidance.

I'm not going to waste time pulling up quotes but for months we all heard Trump say COVID wasn't a big deal, was seasonal, we were over the hump, make fun of Biden and others for masking, shun masking himself, etc. Trump supporters ate that **** up but it turned off independents, most of whom had voted for him in 2016. Trump's margin in 2016 wasn't sufficient to withstand losing the support of independents and moderate dems. They propelled him to victory in 16 and he lost enough of them in 20 to lose the election.

Trump could have not been gloom and doom and have been honest about where we were, what we needed to do, and how bad it could get if we didn't mitigate. We didn't need gloom and doom, we needed honest and coherent communication and he failed at it. It was this generation's version of Reagan's completely ignorant botching of the AIDS crisis.

I think the two most important late-game events that hurt him acutely in the race were him catching the Rona and landing in the hospital in October with a serious case of it after downplaying it, and the clown show that was his first debate performance. He was on the ropes before those two events but they were crushing for his chances down the stretch.
Civ, I really need to provide you with a couple interviews of people in the room when all this stuff was happening. I think you will change your mind some. This is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. In fact, your points are very misleading at best. You probably agree with CNN interviews last weekend with Fauci and Burke's (whatever her name is)

BTW, I don't look for any government agency, CDC, WHO, NIH or anything else to drive my daily decision. I would encourage you to do the same.

Fauci is a HACK!!! He was pushing gain of function research during the Obama admin. Obama made him quit. He then directed money to China (Wuhon Lab specifically) and that is the belief of part of the genesis of this virus.

Research, research, research to gain a better understanding of what happened. I guess what I don't understand... Trump created a complete task force to manage this event. Mask were a real challenge as China was hoarding them all. Why?

This goes back to my whole argument. This country and damn near every Democrat have sold this country out. Biden and his son are leading the Dems! Plenty of Republicans are right there with them...
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...

LOL, don't put Trump's ridiculousness on Fauci (or the CDC, or the WHO). They were afraid we were going to run out of PPE if everybody in the country started scrounging for N95's but even despite that fear they walked back their early erroneous mask guidance quickly. Trump carried on with his mixed messaging and making fun of masks for months after the CDC and WHO changed their guidance.

I'm not going to waste time pulling up quotes but for months we all heard Trump say COVID wasn't a big deal, was seasonal, we were over the hump, make fun of Biden and others for masking, shun masking himself, etc. Trump supporters ate that **** up but it turned off independents, most of whom had voted for him in 2016. Trump's margin in 2016 wasn't sufficient to withstand losing the support of independents and moderate dems. They propelled him to victory in 16 and he lost enough of them in 20 to lose the election.

Trump could have not been gloom and doom and have been honest about where we were, what we needed to do, and how bad it could get if we didn't mitigate. We didn't need gloom and doom, we needed honest and coherent communication and he failed at it. It was this generation's version of Reagan's completely ignorant botching of the AIDS crisis.

I think the two most important late-game events that hurt him acutely in the race were him catching the Rona and landing in the hospital in October with a serious case of it after downplaying it, and the clown show that was his first debate performance. He was on the ropes before those two events but they were crushing for his chances down the stretch.
Oh, and BTW... Biden did not get 80M legal votes. You are blinded by your own misguided thinking, if you do...


You also probably support MLB for pulling out of Atlanta for the All Star Game, don't you?
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How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.

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hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.


You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...
The dissenting opinion has been sidelined!!!!!
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off topic I guess...but I sure as hell hope this is the guy for the republican party in 2024, but I fear you Trump supporters will not let that happen.
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off topic I guess...but I sure as hell hope this is the guy for the republican party in 2024, but I fear you Trump supporters will not let that happen.
Nope! The way I see him is that he is a globalist!
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hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.



Yep, although I think it was less vanity than misguided pragmatism.

Trump's intuition that the economy was his meal ticket to reelection was exactly right. He made a huge miscalculation however that he could go all Baghdad Bob on COVID and Americans would buy it hook line and sinker and the economy would keep plugging along. He thought he could speak a smaller economic downturn into existence by denying the seriousness of the Rona. His posturing on COVID turned off swing voters as the economy lost 22 million jobs and the death toll headed for half a million Americans and as he himself got seriously ill from the virus whose seriousness he spent months downplaying.

The irony is that if he'd turned the conversation around - embracing the truth about the seriousness of COVID and the fact that almost all of the 22 million jobs lost would come back quickly once the virus abated - he'd have been able to be viewed as a much more competent and truthful leader through an incredibly challenging time and the virus' severity and duration would have been reduced so the negative economic consequences would have been lessened.
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pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.


You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...
. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much
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hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.


You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...
. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much
I guess we have different views on the same issue. BTW, I am, in no way, a Trump homer... Now, the America First agenda is important to this country. I see very few people that support that agenda. Why? Well, my view is that money is killing the system. That includes the military industrial folks as well.
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hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.


You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...
. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much
So, Trump creates an executive order (defense production act) for car manufacturers to build ventilators. You are saying: everyone reported on the executive order; however, none of the ventilators were built and used. I don't know whether they were built and used, that's for sure. What I do know is that we had plenty of ventilators.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/01/gm-ford-wrap-up-ventilator-production-and-shift-back-to-auto-business/

Could this have been to shut up Cuomo? When Cuomo was getting his Emmy (whatever he got) and the media was loving him, it sounds like we never had a ventilator problem as described by him and the media. Whatever...

It's all noise!!
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pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

How about the ventilators? That was the best. We're going to get car manufacturers to make ventilators. That whole task enforce was in panic mode early on. They didn't get their stuff together until the last couple of months.

Trump would've won if he had taken the virus more seriously. He didn't and he lost confidence in the some of the swing voters and it was enough to lose the election. Whether you think Fauci is a hack or not, read the room and lean into the fact that all of your political enemies believe in his word. If Trump had just made an attempt to make an appearance of cooperation with him, again he would have won. But Trumps vanity wouldn't allow for that.


You mean the ventilators that were never used? That was all a big Cuomo thing. Yes, the Trump admin got ventilators available to use. In fact, they got that ship ready to be used for NY and not one bed was used. Samaritans Purse built a make shift hospital that was not used.

I'm not sure where the ventilators got built; however, they were available as needed. Check your facts!

I think you should argue your points with Peter Navarro. He was a major player on the task force. If you would like to listen to him speak on the subject, I can provide you a couple of places...
. Are you talking about ventilators made by ventilator companies, or ventilators made by "car companies". The former, yes got used in spades, the later didn't exist.

There's not enough bandwidth on this website to go over all the dumb things Cuomo said and did. Again, vanity is going to cost him probably more than an election.

I have heard Peter Navarro in several interviews. It doesn't change my opinion that the task force was ineffective for several months until they started to get to the vaccine and the planning for its distribution to States. That they did a good job with. Messaging early on - not so much
So, Trump creates an executive order (defense production act) for car manufacturers to build ventilators. You are saying: everyone reported on the executive order; however, none of the ventilators were built and used. I don't know whether they were built and used, that's for sure. What I do know is that we had plenty of ventilators.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/01/gm-ford-wrap-up-ventilator-production-and-shift-back-to-auto-business/

Could this have been to shut up Cuomo? When Cuomo was getting his Emmy (whatever he got) and the media was loving him, it sounds like we never had a ventilator problem as described by him and the media. Whatever...

It's all noise!!
The ventilators were never needed here (although the press made it a big anti-Trump topic anyway) and ended up being shipped overseas...
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pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...
My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview

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ciscopack said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...
My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview


God bless Dr. Anthony Fauci.
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ciscopack said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...
My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview


I actually agree with you here....the difference is it that this got used politically against Trump. Fauci got a pass on being wrong because we were just learning about it but Trump got hammered for the same reason.
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cowboypack02 said:

ciscopack said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

pineknollshoresking said:

ncsualum05 said:

I think Trump ran a bad campaign as well.

But you're wrong on pretty much the rest of it. Biden.... didn't even run a campaign. He was way worse b/c he was invisible.

Fraud most definitely happened and it definitely impacted the election. To what extent we won't know but it was made possible by taking all our election laws and throwing them out the window in Nov in the name of COVID. Between all the reports and witnesses of all the different nefarious activities this country is a disgrace to be where it is. The election was close no doubt.... it has to be for fraud to even work. There were 3 states that combined had 44,000 votes that separated the presidency. It is absolutely plausible that with millions of mail in votes, reports of pollwatcher intimidation and being forced out, no signature verification or matching, duplicating ballots during processing, stopping counts in the middle of the night only to pick back up in odd hours of the morning, and I could go on and on.

There were thousands of affidavits and probably 100+ people that testified in hearings. All of this was overshadowed by Powell and Wood peddling their BS conspiracies which ultimately undermined the real cases. Combine that with a court system that is too scared to act, a media along with internet that covers it up, a corrupt DOJ that will not even look into it..... well there you go.

Future elections should not allow mail ins anymore... each state needs to follow its old laws and many are actually reforming their laws as we speak.
How can anyone who thinks we had significant election irregularities think Trump ran a bad campaign?

To quote HRC on Bengazi... What difference does it make?
Trump should have won handily over Biden, but he made to many campaign mistakes.
What mistakes do you think he made?
The first debate was a pretty big one.
You know that polling showed the opposite of your assertion. Yes, the major network polling showed something different, however, Rasmussen showed a dead heat with a slight bump to Trump. Actually, a few others that will tell you the details of their sample did as well.

So, the question is still open.... what mistakes did Trump make?

He acted like COVID was a fake news joke, didn't inspire confidence in his handling of the pandemic or its economic impacts, and lost key support of middle-class, suburban and independent voters.

His re-election hinged completely on confidence in the Trump economy. When Americans lost confidence in it he lost the election. Americans weren't willing to put up with his BS unless the economy was humming.
You know Fauci was giving him early guidance. In fact, Fauci said, mask were not needed. Fauci also fought tooth and nail with several of the key people on "NOT" shutting down China to the US.

I would also argue that the COVID stuff was so politicized by the media, he couldn't get a chance. As president, he should have inspired people and not speak gloom and doom, as he did.

BTW, the economy hummed just fine, all things considering. It's exactly why the resurgence is happening right now. Biden can only screw things up, as he is in the process of doing (you want examples?).

Now, you've given these platitudes, in your response; however, you haven't stated an example to debate...
My memory on Dr. Fauci early in the Covid-19 discussion was that he did the best he could for the US and the World without stepping on Donald Trump's toes (as best as possible). Did he know everything there was to know about the disease or how to help humans live? No one did! He was just one of the best options for ideas and had been for years. AF had to work with the Trump administration and do the best he could for everyone.

Jan. 28 - March 26, 2020 - Anthony Fauci's comments / 8.38 video

May 5 - Dr. Fauci Dismisses COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories, Talks Vaccines in Interview


I actually agree with you here....the difference is it that this got used politically against Trump. Fauci got a pass on being wrong because we were just learning about it but Trump got hammered for the same reason.


The 8 minute video proves Dr. Fauci was mostly correct and always using science. It has many parts of interviews from last Jan., Feb. and March.....all recorded and on TV. The man was ahead of the unknown game!!!!!!!! The Donald was mostly fighting science.
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