In a free market capitalistic country, consequences happen based on actions...

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

acslater1344 said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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Ok...

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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Not true!!!

The economy crashed because of "Moral Hazard". Something not being taught anymore...

packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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I shouldn't have said it only goes up. Over time, it does, but it does take downturns.

It's true what you said about Obama...it HAD just crashed and had more room to go up. However, by November of 2013, it beat the previous all-time high, and kept on going up from there. And the gains, even from then on, were higher than under Trump.
So even when you eliminate the big gains while it recovered what it had lost, it still outperformed the last 4 years.
And again, that's not at all to say it hasn't done well the last 4 years, but if we're going to compare the terms and be truthful about it, you have to admit that it didn't do *quite* as well under Trump.....but still did well.

acslater1344 said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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I shouldn't have said it only goes up. Over time, it does, but it does take downturns.

It's true what you said about Obama...it HAD just crashed and had more room to go up. However, by November of 2013, it beat the previous all-time high, and kept on going up from there. And the gains, even from then on, were higher than under Trump.
So even when you eliminate the big gains while it recovered what it had lost, it still outperformed the last 4 years.
And again, that's not at all to say it hasn't done well the last 4 years, but if we're going to compare the terms and be truthful about it, you have to admit that it didn't do *quite* as well under Trump.....but still did well.

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False. The DOW was 19804.72 the day before Trump took over. Yesterday it closed at 30,814.26. Math.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-approval-rating-drops-low-capitol-riot

"More than half of Americans (52%) say Trump bears "a lot" of responsibility for the riot, and another 23% say he bears "some" responsibility."

Pacfanweb said:

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acslater1344 said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

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Are you referring to the GrammLeachBliley Act?

packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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I shouldn't have said it only goes up. Over time, it does, but it does take downturns.

It's true what you said about Obama...it HAD just crashed and had more room to go up. However, by November of 2013, it beat the previous all-time high, and kept on going up from there. And the gains, even from then on, were higher than under Trump.
So even when you eliminate the big gains while it recovered what it had lost, it still outperformed the last 4 years.
And again, that's not at all to say it hasn't done well the last 4 years, but if we're going to compare the terms and be truthful about it, you have to admit that it didn't do *quite* as well under Trump.....but still did well.

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False. The DOW was 19804.72 the day before Trump took over. Yesterday it closed at 30,814.26. Math.

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I'm not sure what you're argument here is when he's arguing that the rate of return year to year was higher in the Obama years than the Trump years, which is what his chart seems to show. I don't think anyone who actively invests gives a flip about the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Statistics will get after ya fam.

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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I shouldn't have said it only goes up. Over time, it does, but it does take downturns.

It's true what you said about Obama...it HAD just crashed and had more room to go up. However, by November of 2013, it beat the previous all-time high, and kept on going up from there. And the gains, even from then on, were higher than under Trump.
So even when you eliminate the big gains while it recovered what it had lost, it still outperformed the last 4 years.
And again, that's not at all to say it hasn't done well the last 4 years, but if we're going to compare the terms and be truthful about it, you have to admit that it didn't do *quite* as well under Trump.....but still did well.

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False. The DOW was 19804.72 the day before Trump took over. Yesterday it closed at 30,814.26. Math.

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I'm not sure what you're argument here is when he's arguing that the rate of return year to year was higher in the Obama years than the Trump years, which is what his chart seems to show. I don't think anyone who actively invests gives a flip about the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Statistics will get after ya fam.

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Perhaps you should read the article.

packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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I shouldn't have said it only goes up. Over time, it does, but it does take downturns.

It's true what you said about Obama...it HAD just crashed and had more room to go up. However, by November of 2013, it beat the previous all-time high, and kept on going up from there. And the gains, even from then on, were higher than under Trump.
So even when you eliminate the big gains while it recovered what it had lost, it still outperformed the last 4 years.
And again, that's not at all to say it hasn't done well the last 4 years, but if we're going to compare the terms and be truthful about it, you have to admit that it didn't do *quite* as well under Trump.....but still did well.

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False. The DOW was 19804.72 the day before Trump took over. Yesterday it closed at 30,814.26. Math.

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RIF

again *rate of return* is what matters. The numbers always go up over time, that isn't what you measure the performance by.

acslater1344 said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

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Are you referring to the GrammLeachBliley Act?

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When he repealed Glass-Steagall

Another "real world" link
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-biden-the-election-and-your-401-k-the-shockinglyboring-truth-11604419813

Who's President really doesn't make a lot of difference, historically. The market's gonna market, basically.

Pacfanweb said:

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acslater1344 said:

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

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Are you referring to the GrammLeachBliley Act?

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When he repealed Glass-Steagall

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Glass Steagall didn't cause the 2008 collapse. Commercial and Investment Banking combined didn't cause the issue. Moral Hazard caused the issue.

Plus people selling weak stocks that had been poorly graded.

Shouldn't we all hope that the American economy and the market does well under both Democrat and Republican presidents, despite their political differences?

That's what Pacfanweb's graph shows. Obama was marginally better from % gain standpoint but that's somewhat splitting hairs; the market did very well under both Presidents.

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packgrad said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

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Are you referring to the GrammLeachBliley Act?

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When he repealed Glass-Steagall

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Glass Steagall didn't cause the 2008 collapse. Commercial and Investment Banking combined didn't cause the issue. Moral Hazard caused the issue.

Plus people selling weak stocks that had been poorly graded.

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All of those things contributed, no?

I still think the single biggest cause of the collapse was the colossal drop in consumer confidence largely driven by the MSM scaring the **** out of consumers.

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Shouldn't we all hope that the American economy and the market does well under both Democrat and Republican presidents, despite their political differences?
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You would think so. That changed when Trump became president though. Hence the pics.

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Shouldn't we all hope that the American economy and the market does well under both Democrat and Republican presidents, despite their political differences?

That's what Pacfanweb's graph shows. Obama was marginally better from % gain standpoint but that's somewhat splitting hairs; the market did very well under both Presidents.

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Exactly. The point is, the market is going to do what it's going to do. Which party has the Oval Office doesn't have much effect on it, despite what people on both sides will tell you when the other side wins.

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Pacfanweb said:

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packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

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Lol. Democrats all took pictures of stock market prices the day O left office and Trump took over. Too bad for them it improved and set records. Keep in mind when O took over the market had just crashed, which according to PFW it never goes down, so there was more room for improvement if you're trying to juke the stats.

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Just FYI the economy crashed in 08' because the finance industry was almost completely de-regulated during Bush's tenure.

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I believe that actually mostly happened under Clinton.

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Are you referring to the GrammLeachBliley Act?

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When he repealed Glass-Steagall

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Glass Steagall didn't cause the 2008 collapse. Commercial and Investment Banking combined didn't cause the issue. Moral Hazard caused the issue.

Plus people selling weak stocks that had been poorly graded.

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All of those things contributed, no?

I still think the single biggest cause of the collapse was the colossal drop in consumer confidence largely driven by the MSM scaring the **** out of consumers.

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Regulation, in my opinion, has never shown to be a good thing. So, deregulation isn't bad either. In other words, if we didn't regulate in the first place, then deregulation wouldn't matter.

Consumer confidence is typically related to economic narrative being portrayed in the media, whether real or not. I think one of the biggest issues in our economic system is Moral Hazard. The too big to fail syndrome is a result of the people that wore the cloths of the time on Wall Street,

Not that I would have regulated and/or passed a law like Glass-Stegall; but, I absolutely see the issue where a commercial bank gets into investment banking, insurance, etc... when we don't teach moral hazard, the collapse is the result...

Competition is never a bad thing! Monopoly is a bad thing always; so is bid rigging!

ciscopack said:

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Competition is never a bad thing! Monopoly is a bad thing always; so is bid rigging!

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Do you consider certain Tech companies a Monopoly?

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And it begins...

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Now, add this to the above...

http://populist.press/here-they-come-again/

Trump supporters worried about immigration again. Trump separated families and then took credit when he changed his own policy. Trump lies his supporters believe him. They are blind to his lies.
I wonder what they are going to say when he is arrested on criminal charges.

Don't worry what charge he has about a dozen that can get him. I am sure one will.

But his supporters will support him anyway.

pineknollshoresking said:

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Competition is never a bad thing! Monopoly is a bad thing always; so is bid rigging!

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Do you consider certain Tech companies a Monopoly?

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To me, tech companies make electronics and things that run off them. If you're talking twitter, facebook, ect.; implode the sickness!

Monopoly.....like Duke energy...etc. Your energy bill is effected by your neighborhood, not exactly what you use. I know a guy that hooked a 3 bay shop up to his mom's house; electric. 2 Miller welders, all kinds of tools, tire changer, balancer, 3 lifts, a race room that holds 2 dragsters, 5 TVs, an office/kitchen with microwave and stove/poker room, a john, 1000 ft. exterior space under lights, 2 storage rooms and the electric bill stayed the same! My house is the neighbor with R-30 batts in ceiling and 15" spray ins. on top, r-15 walls and sealed crawlspace with new insulation....all LEDs and 1/3 the number of people....my house is newer and double the electric bill......sometimes more.

Spectrum is cable monopoly. Insurance companies are monopolies that bid rig. ....

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Trump supporters worried about immigration again. Trump separated families and then took credit when he changed his own policy. Trump lies his supporters believe him. They are blind to his lies.
I wonder what they are going to say when he is arrested on criminal charges.

Don't worry what charge he has about a dozen that can get him. I am sure one will.

But his supporters will support him anyway.

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Dude.... Obama had the cages built in 2014. Seriously do you even have a clue what you are typing when you hit "post?" You make it too easy to discredit every single thing you put on here. It's like you are purposefully making fodder for conversation........

Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Trump supporters worried about immigration again. Trump separated families and then took credit when he changed his own policy. Trump lies his supporters believe him. They are blind to his lies.
I wonder what they are going to say when he is arrested on criminal charges.

Don't worry what charge he has about a dozen that can get him. I am sure one will.

But his supporters will support him anyway.

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I think most people would consider something in the following sequence:

• Finish the broader wall
• Commitment to technologies to help secure boarder wall through legislation
• New legislation to make immigration less bureaucratic
• After all that, then we can talk about a pathway to citizenship for those here illegally

Those actions need to happen sequentially and NOT part of a large package the Democrats and Establishment Republicans typically want.

And YES, immigration unfettered will hurt your job and ultimately suppress your salary or rate of increased salary. So, you can say that I'm concerned with YOUR livelihood...

ciscopack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Competition is never a bad thing! Monopoly is a bad thing always; so is bid rigging!

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Do you consider certain Tech companies a Monopoly?

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To me, tech companies make electronics and things that run off them. If you're talking twitter, facebook, ect.; implode the sickness!

Monopoly.....like Duke energy...etc. Your energy bill is effected by your neighborhood, not exactly what you use. I know a guy that hooked a 3 bay shop up to his mom's house; electric. 2 Miller welders, all kinds of tools, tire changer, balancer, 3 lifts, a race room that holds 2 dragsters, 5 TVs, an office/kitchen with microwave and stove/poker room, a john, 1000 ft. exterior space under lights, 2 storage rooms and the electric bill stayed the same! My house is the neighbor with R-30 batts in ceiling and 15" spray ins. on top, r-15 walls and sealed crawlspace with new insulation....all LEDs and 1/3 the number of people....my house is newer and double the electric bill......sometimes more.

Spectrum is cable monopoly. Insurance companies are monopolies that bid rig. ....

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Cisco, you put a lot in that post. BTW, I'm not questioning your post in anyway. You and I probably ***** about some of the same issues you outlined... can we break your post down into segments and address them? I'm going to answer yes on your behalf. Please forgive me...

let's start at the top. Yes, I was speaking about Social Media.

Put away your thoughts on "implode the sickness".

• Do you think they are a Monopoly?
• Do you think they are a Utility?

If so, why? If not, why not?

pineknollshoresking said:

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ciscopack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Competition is never a bad thing! Monopoly is a bad thing always; so is bid rigging!

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Do you consider certain Tech companies a Monopoly?

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To me, tech companies make electronics and things that run off them. If you're talking twitter, facebook, ect.; implode the sickness!

Monopoly.....like Duke energy...etc. Your energy bill is effected by your neighborhood, not exactly what you use. I know a guy that hooked a 3 bay shop up to his mom's house; electric. 2 Miller welders, all kinds of tools, tire changer, balancer, 3 lifts, a race room that holds 2 dragsters, 5 TVs, an office/kitchen with microwave and stove/poker room, a john, 1000 ft. exterior space under lights, 2 storage rooms and the electric bill stayed the same! My house is the neighbor with R-30 batts in ceiling and 15" spray ins. on top, r-15 walls and sealed crawlspace with new insulation....all LEDs and 1/3 the number of people....my house is newer and double the electric bill......sometimes more.

Spectrum is cable monopoly. Insurance companies are monopolies that bid rig. ....

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Cisco, you put a lot in that post. BTW, I'm not questioning your post in anyway. You and I probably ***** about some of the same issues you outlined... can we break your post down into segments and address them? I'm going to answer yes on your behalf. Please forgive me...

let's start at the top. Yes, I was speaking about Social Media.

Put away your thoughts on "implode the sickness".

• Do you think they are a Monopoly?
• Do you think they are a Utility?

If so, why? If not, why not?

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This should be interesting... or not.

pineknollshoresking said:

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In a free market capitalistic country, consequences happen based on actions...

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Cool, I do hope their user base punished them. That's a far better way to get them to change course than new regulations

A good essay by Senator Ben Sasse IMO.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

IseWolf22 said:

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A good essay by Senator Ben Sasse IMO.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

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Good read. It's good to see someone on the right with a perspective that involves self reflection. Maybe we'll see something like that from the left.

Here's another good read. "Flatness".

Somebody analyze this video....

Big tech has become the ultimate Revenge of the Nerds.

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