mrcpack17 said:

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I'm not rehashing the same argument as to why this isn't unconstitutional as we will literally go in circles as we already have.

I'll just pose my same question to you again, if this is so unconstitutional, why aren't there lines out the door waiting to defend this? What's stopping you from getting a law license and filing a complaint in GA, as you seem so harmed by it, if this is such the gotcha that you seem to think it is?

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That's a stupid response! Do I have standing? Am I harmed?

BTW, no constitutional lawyer I've listened agrees with you. In fact, I wasn't even thinking about the unconstitutional basis of this until I heard these lawyers speaks...

Glasswolf said:

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So these guys are Antifa now?

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/activist-gas-mask-said-he-had-knife-capitol-riot-feds

And this guy is a MAGA/Proud Boy or is he just a BLM Activist promoted by CNN on air with Anderson Cooper? Which is it? You socialists can't get out of your own damn way. Not one single person on here has said ALL the protesters were Antifa. There were fringe idiots that support the GOP, Trump and totally dismantling the socialist party by whatever means necessary. The difference, unlike you and your ilk, folks like myself and others here have NO problem admitting that we have nut jobs that do stupid stuff. Think about that smart guy.

BBW12OG said:

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Glasswolf said:

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So these guys are Antifa now?

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/activist-gas-mask-said-he-had-knife-capitol-riot-feds

And this guy is a MAGA/Proud Boy or is he just a BLM Activist promoted by CNN on air with Anderson Cooper? Which is it? You socialists can't get out of your own damn way. Not one single person on here has said ALL the protesters were Antifa. There were fringe idiots that support the GOP, Trump and totally dismantling the socialist party by whatever means necessary. The difference, unlike you and your ilk, folks like myself and others here have NO problem admitting that we have nut jobs that do stupid stuff. Think about that smart guy.

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BBW, you and I both know people will be people, given the opportunity. I look at the event as a bad thing that was kicked off by bad people. These incidents started happening before the President quit speaking.

Some people that support Trump did get involved and that's sad. Some people were from radical left and right wing groups. Neither of which, we condone. That being said 98% of the group at the rally never went to the Capitol.

This was mostly premeditated and it will come out that way...

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And lookie here... look at that Trump supporter... this is going to blow up you liberals face!

Wolfpackrich1 said:

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I have refrained from posting much since the assault on the capital. It is very sad how divided this country is.
I do have some statements / Questions to make. Just read them and analyze them in the most honest way to yourself.
1. Who was responsible for the riots on the capital. Donald Trump mostly by never admitting that the election was fair. HE then called on a rally the day the congress was to certify them. He asked for ELECTION FRAUD to be committed by various elected officials to change the election.

2. Why would the house not look to punish the insurrection the president caused? I could see them not trying to punish if he had resigned. But he flaunts his power that his base gives him and he uses it the most undemocratic ways.

3. Please just review the videos after the riot of the MAGA supporters. One in particular stands out to me. A man in a brown jacket who is telling the story how they were in a pushing battle with the police to get into the capital. The reporter asked him why it was important to do what he did that day. His response was the courts were not changing the stolen election. Congress did not have the guts too. So he and other MAGA supporters ( his words) were going to change the election. As he is telling this story he is getting louder and louder. For what reason other than he is just going mad I do not know. Nobody was contradicting him. They were just asking him for his story.
The whole time you see more MAGA supporters agreeing with him. I mean this just shows what lies can do from a person as important as the president.

4. If you support the president and his lies you are doing a great disservice to this country.


Gob bless America! And all Americans. Yes all Americans. I do believe Trump supporters have damaged our democracy. But I do want a united America. How do we get there? By reasonable talk. But you can't run away from what Donald Trump has done to hurt us. He needs to be punished.

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Dude, you could care less how divided this country is, all you care about is that your guy is going to be sworn in as President in 5 days - and you could give two ****s if it was fraudulent or any of the rest of the bull**** ... you don't fool anybody!

So many in denial on this thread.
Definition of denial

2a(1) : refusal to admit the truth or reality of something (such as a statement or charge) their denial of the divine right of kings
(2) : assertion that an allegation is false her denial that she was involved

psychology : a defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality
in denial
: refusing to admit the truth or reality of something unpleasant a patient in denial about his health problems

waynecountywolf said:

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Now, we have the Mypillowguy aka snake oil salesman for COVID "cure", admitting he met with Trump to show him "evidence" of voter fraud.
Mypillowguy

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Mike Lindell - That's bigtime, really, reallly big! Trump's busiest day this week.

Yeah.... maybe you should ask for a job Wayne... deadbeat.

Nm. Not going to encourage the pack pride troll. Go home.

BBW12OG said:

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Yeah.... maybe you should ask for a job Wayne... deadbeat.

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Dont get banned yet again, you Big Beautiful Woman.
Tell the truth, you love him too, dont ya?

Wayne has another account... we know who you are...

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pineknollshoresking said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Let's challenge you on this one ...

In Georgia, Stacey Abrams signs a consent decree with the Governor and/or SOS. This decree stated how signature verification would be done. (Research the decree before you answer)

Is that constitutionally sound?

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Not a single response to the challenge above.

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Quick flow chart for you. Is pineknolllshores signature verification complaint constitutionally sound?

Let's begin here. Is the issue at hand discussed anywhere in the constitution?

Yes? Please link me the article/section/amendment where this issue is discussed.

No? The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. That's the 10th amendment of the Constitution. You know, the state's rights amendment. You said it was signed by the governor and/or SoS so yes, the decree is constitutional.

Also, republicans in Georgia challenged this decree in court. Twice. And lost. Once in federal court and one more after it was dismissed in an appellate court. I know, the courts are rigged and in on it all too.

But before we just leave it at that, it's interesting to note that the lawyers challenging this decree, one was Lin Wood, did not challenge it on its Constitutionality. They challenged it on procedural issues like how many folks can count and how many folks can compare signatures. Not whether or not it complies with state/federal law, let alone the Constitution. in fact, they weren't even asking the court to remove the decree, just that a new process be implemented instead. Telling, in my opinion.

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PKS King. Oops! Sounds like your challenge is over with defeat.

Yes Trump is going to jail. He has so many crimes committed that one is surely going to send him down the river.

Dude you are the problem in this country. You support a crook for president.


I care about my country. I have yearsOf service volunteering in my community.

Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Dude you are the problem in this country. You support a crook for president.


I care about my country. I have yearsOf service volunteering in my community.

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Let me guess..you are a "community organizer..." That sounds about right. Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back comrade. You'll need it to salute your newly put into power Fuhrer in a few days. Shine up your boots and get ready to practice your goose step.

Wolfpackrich1 said:

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mrcpack17 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Let's challenge you on this one ...

In Georgia, Stacey Abrams signs a consent decree with the Governor and/or SOS. This decree stated how signature verification would be done. (Research the decree before you answer)

Is that constitutionally sound?

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Not a single response to the challenge above.

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Quick flow chart for you. Is pineknolllshores signature verification complaint constitutionally sound?

Let's begin here. Is the issue at hand discussed anywhere in the constitution?

Yes? Please link me the article/section/amendment where this issue is discussed.

No? The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. That's the 10th amendment of the Constitution. You know, the state's rights amendment. You said it was signed by the governor and/or SoS so yes, the decree is constitutional.

Also, republicans in Georgia challenged this decree in court. Twice. And lost. Once in federal court and one more after it was dismissed in an appellate court. I know, the courts are rigged and in on it all too.

But before we just leave it at that, it's interesting to note that the lawyers challenging this decree, one was Lin Wood, did not challenge it on its Constitutionality. They challenged it on procedural issues like how many folks can count and how many folks can compare signatures. Not whether or not it complies with state/federal law, let alone the Constitution. in fact, they weren't even asking the court to remove the decree, just that a new process be implemented instead. Telling, in my opinion.

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PKS King. Oops! Sounds like your challenge is over with defeat.

Yes Trump is going to jail. He has so many crimes committed that one is surely going to send him down the river.

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Wrong! My response is as accurate as it can get. I will never concede!!

BBW12OG said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Dude you are the problem in this country. You support a crook for president.


I care about my country. I have yearsOf service volunteering in my community.

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Let me guess..you are a "community organizer..." That sounds about right. Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back comrade. You'll need it to salute your newly put into power Fuhrer in a few days. Shine up your boots and get ready to practice your goose step.

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I know this thread is looking at rational and civil discourse in the rear view mirror, but geeze, dude.

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BBW12OG said:

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

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Dude you are the problem in this country. You support a crook for president.


I care about my country. I have yearsOf service volunteering in my community.

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Let me guess..you are a "community organizer..." That sounds about right. Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back comrade. You'll need it to salute your newly put into power Fuhrer in a few days. Shine up your boots and get ready to practice your goose step.

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I know this thread is looking at rational and civil discourse in the rear view mirror, but geeze, dude.

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dogplasma, I read the post as an exaggeration of the realities we will face. I have "NO" doubt the Biden admin, along with congress, will bring on additional horribly massive change to our recent (20+ years) horrible norms we have.

So, the post, by BBW, is espousing his concerns of a country that's truly lost its identity! For that, I have no problem with his post. Additionally, I bet he will call out establishment Republicans for the same thing.

Gas prices are already up over $0.40 from where they were for the last six (6) months... it's coming... we have some really stupid people in this country putting politics ahead of their own personal welfare.

TheStorm said:

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Gas prices are already up over $0.40 from where they were for the last six (6) months... it's coming... we have some really stupid people in this country putting politics ahead of their own personal welfare.

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Meh, it was 2.13 at BJ's yesterday. It was nearly 2.30 back in July. They were even higher early last year. Prices are just doing their thing.

I do hope they don't get back up any higher, though.

Hell, gas prices approached $4/gallon a few years ago.

I'll take $2.xx/gal all day long.

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TheStorm said:

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Gas prices are already up over $0.40 from where they were for the last six (6) months... it's coming... we have some really stupid people in this country putting politics ahead of their own personal welfare.

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Meh, it was 2.13 at BJ's yesterday. It was nearly 2.30 back in July. They were even higher early last year. Prices are just doing their thing.

I do hope they don't get back up any higher, though.

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If that is what you truly want, then we need to understand what drove the prices down. The following are a couple of reasons:

• 2019 prices were down because of the US being a net positive exporter and we were providing most of our oil and natural gas domestically
• 2020 prices continued to be down because of supply and demand. People weren't driving as much due to COVID restrictions

What we are not able to see is how our domestic capacity can maintain the current pricing. Also, the Biden administration campaigned on changing aspect of the rules in which capacity can be achieved domestically.

So, between the rules changes that may occur and any similar policies to the Green New Deal, its going to be interesting to see gas prices moving forward.

Gas pricing, in general, were higher under the Obama administration compared to the Trump administration, right?

Well yeah, but they were high under Bush, stayed that way under Obama for awhile, and were drastically dropping at the end of his term.

They've actually gone back up slightly a bit under Trump, but still a lot lower than say, 10 years ago.

Pacfanweb said:

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Well yeah, but they were high under Bush, stayed that way under Obama for awhile, and were drastically dropping at the end of his term.

They've actually gone back up slightly a bit under Trump, but still a lot lower than say, 10 years ago.

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Higher on average than under Obama? What numbers are you skewing?

Much like the economy at large, gas prices are something a president sometimes takes credit for but actually has relatively little control over.

Civilized said:

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Much like the economy at large, gas prices are something a president sometimes takes credit for but actually has relatively little control over.

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How many landfall hurricanes did we have in the Gulf this year, and how much impact did it have on gas prices here... anytime a hurricane came through the Gulf in previous administrations we always, always, always got gouged.

Somebody did something to affect that... couldn't have been anything Trump did though of course .

Loving Kindness!

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Much like the economy at large, gas prices are something a president sometimes takes credit for but actually has relatively little control over.

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Where was the Dow when Trump was elected, where is it now, what was the high under Trump, and what was the high under Obama?

Yeah.... seriously skewed. Wait until the "green new deal" shuts down the refineries, oil fields and natural gas mines. China and Russia are licking their chops and Burisma is updating Hunter's job description. Gas will be $4.00 a gallon by summer EASY.... congrats to the democrats for their soon to be short lived run. Two years of stupid will be enough to change a lot of independent and moderate minds. Only thing I can say about those accusing me of hyperbole, read your party controlled media activists' stories and see what they are so giddy about. That should tell you all you need to know.

TheStorm said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Well yeah, but they were high under Bush, stayed that way under Obama for awhile, and were drastically dropping at the end of his term.

They've actually gone back up slightly a bit under Trump, but still a lot lower than say, 10 years ago.

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Higher on average than under Obama? What numbers are you skewing?

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That's what you got out of what I wrote? And you didn't say "average". It was never mentioned, not in the original post I responded to. Also, I wrote that it was high in the first part of Obama because it was already high under Bush and stayed there for awhile.

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Well yeah, but they were high under Bush, stayed that way under Obama for awhile, and were drastically dropping at the end of his term.

They've actually gone back up slightly a bit under Trump, but still a lot lower than say, 10 years ago.

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But if you like, here's the last 15 years, this is the avg price per gallon for each year:

2005 2.338
2006 2.635
2007 2.849
2008 3.317 (Obama's Presidency begins)
2009 2.401
2010 2.836
2011 3.577
2012 3.695
2013 3.584 (Obama's 2nd term starts)
2014 3.425
2015 2.510
2016 2.204 (Last year of Obama)
2017 2.469 (Trump's Presidency begins)
2018 2.794
2019 2.698
2020 2.242 (Last year of Trump)

TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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Much like the economy at large, gas prices are something a president sometimes takes credit for but actually has relatively little control over.

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Where was the Dow when Trump was elected, where is it now, what was the high under Trump, and what was the high under Obama?

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The Dow's raw number nearly always goes up. What matters is how it performed. Your question made me wonder, so I went and looked:

<a href='https://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart'>Source</a>






So the Dow has done worse under Trump than Obama, although it has still performed well.

Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

Civilized said:

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Much like the economy at large, gas prices are something a president sometimes takes credit for but actually has relatively little control over.

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That is so untrue!!!

A President can advocate and sign in to law a tax plan
A President can take regulations , he controls, off businesses
A President can hype an economy or the Stock market based in words used (this one I will say has less impact unless you are touting policies that are known to slow economies)

packgrad said:

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Dow set records under Trump and Democrats say it did better with Obama. Lol. Ridiculous.

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Those charts aren't from "democrats". The raw numbers always go up. The Dow set records under Obama, too.

It's the returns that matter.

And unless Forbes is "Democrat":

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/?sh=678c70943552

Nobody's saying the Dow didn't do well. But it didn't just go nuts under Trump, not at all. It was doing well and still did well, but probably not quite as well as under Obama.

And it begins...