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if true, why?

https://populist.press/logs-missing-from-antrim-county-dominion-voting-machines/

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I'm going to go with not true so "why" isn't particularly relevant

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I know you can do better than that...

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Provide a better source and maybe I can. Otherwise, that source isn't credible, and not a single credible source I can find to back it up, so I'm going with "not true", like most everything else those types of sources have reported so far.

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If you think anybody in MSM is going to report this, come on... These folks are straight shooters. Slanted, yes. But, they are straight shooters...

Direct report..

Crucial security and adjudication logs are missing from Dominion Voting Systems machines from Michigan's Antrim County, according to a forensics report (pdf) released on Dec. 14 in compliance with a court order.

"Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of records prevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software," the report, authored by Russell Ramsland, states.

"We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed."

The absence of the adjudication logs is particularly alarming because the forensic exam found that the voting machines rejected an extraordinary number of ballots for adjudication, a manual process in which election workers determine the ultimate outcome for each ballot.

"The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots," Ramsland said. "We observed an error rate of 68.05 percent. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity."

"These errors resulted in overall tabulation errors or ballots being sent to adjudication. This high error rates proves the Dominion Voting System is flawed and does not meet state or federal election laws," he added. "Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for it. Our research continues."

Ramsland manages the Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG), which includes former Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Central Intelligence Agency officials. The group focuses on cybersecurity and open-source network penetration testing.

ASOG examined Dominion products in Antrim County earlier this month as part of an ongoing case. The team inspected and performed forensic duplication on the county's election management server, which was running Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5.3-002, compact flash cards used by local precincts in their Dominion ImageCast system, USB memory sticks used by Dominion Voter Assist Terminals, and USB memory sticks used for the poll book.

In addition to missing adjudication logs, the examination found that the systems are also missing security logs prior to 11 p.m. on Nov. 4.

"This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on Election Day, and prior to Election Day are gone. Security logs are very important to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files," Ramsland said.

"These logs would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses, internet connections, times, and data transfers," he added. "Other server logs before November 4, 2020 are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing."

13th Circuit Judge Kevin Elsenheimer approved the forensic examination in Bailey v. Antrim County, which alleges the infamous vote flip county officials reported last month may have not been the result of human error, as officials had alleged.

Elsenheimer earlier Monday agreed to let the report on the examination be published.

The office of Michigan's Democrat Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, Dominion, and a spokesman for Antrim County didn't respond to requests for comment.

Erik Grill, an assistant attorney general, told the judge on Monday morning that Ramsland's preliminary report was "inaccurate, incomplete, and misleading." Haider Kazim, an attorney for the county, said it contained several errors the county believes were based on "faulty assumptions and incorrect assumptions."

Zachary Stieber contributed to this report.

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Apparently the Arizona Legislature is also looking at sending electors to vote for Trump as well - If so that's 4 states.

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At this point its my understanding that the legislatures of Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have cast their electoral college votes for Trump. Even though the state is sending democrat electors, the legislature of each state can send electors as well. When you get dueling electors from a state the VP gets to decide which to accept, or not accept either.

This is fun....

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The Wisconsin legislature just decided to send their own electors as well. That makes 5 states so far.....

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Apparently the Arizona Legislature is also looking at sending electors to vote for Trump as well - If so that's 4 states.

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At this point its my understanding that the legislatures of Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have cast their electoral college votes for Trump. Even though the state is sending democrat electors, the legislature of each state can send electors as well. When you get dueling electors from a state the VP gets to decide which to accept, or not accept either.

This is fun....

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The Wisconsin legislature just decided to send their own electors as well. That makes 5 states so far.....

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Democrats need to do an investigation into election misconduct, immediately!!!

It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Apparently the Arizona Legislature is also looking at sending electors to vote for Trump as well - If so that's 4 states.

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At this point its my understanding that the legislatures of Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have cast their electoral college votes for Trump. Even though the state is sending democrat electors, the legislature of each state can send electors as well. When you get dueling electors from a state the VP gets to decide which to accept, or not accept either.

This is fun....

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The Wisconsin legislature just decided to send their own electors as well. That makes 5 states so far.....

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Democrats need to do an investigation into election misconduct, immediately!!!

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lol....

As much as people are going to raise hell about it the legislatures do have the right to do it. The question is what is Pence going to do in January. Since there are enough states that are sending separate sets of electors Pence can decide to either accept or deny the second set. Since enough states have gone this way to take the number of votes away from Biden he needs to win I think that Congress is going to vote for who is the next president. It gets really interesting them because each state only gets one vote with republicans holding the advantage there.

We haven't seen anything like this since the 1880s. Wild man

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

Yes which makes the point quite well that Trump is destroying our democracy.

Thanks for helping to prove the point

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

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It's like the founders set up a system of fail safes in case of contested elections and fraudulent activity. Those guys were pretty brilliant. They did not however count on everyone running away from it's procedures and pissing on it ultimately. Who has guts here?

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

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Cowboy, rich is a hack! No need to involve him in the discussion. Best thing to do is ignore him.

Nonetheless, this should get everyone to read the constitution and understand the process. Now, I'm not fan of what the states are doing by sending both electors, although, I understand they can. Ultimately, the people voted and I think the electors, based on the people, should be sent. I also believe this election is a big **** show wrought with election fraud.

If Trump can't win the conventional way, or though the courts, then so be it....

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

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Cowboy, rich is a hack! No need to involve him in the discussion. Best thing to do is ignore him.

Nonetheless, this should get everyone to read the constitution and understand the process. Now, I'm not fan of what the states are doing by sending both electors, although, I understand they can. Ultimately, the people voted and I think the electors, based on the people, should be sent. I also believe this election is a big **** show wrought with election fraud.

If Trump can't win the conventional way, or though the courts, then so be it....

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Caryking has me in ignore but he still seeks to mention me.


Thanks pal

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Yes which makes the point quite well that Trump is destroying our democracy.

Thanks for helping to prove the point

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To start with i want to make sure that you know that our government isn't a democracy and never has been. We are a representative republic. Just want to make sure that you understand that. If you don't then going back and forth with you is kind of a waste of time. Your entitled to your own opinions, but when we can't agree on such a large fact as the type of government then we are both wasting our time.

Back to answering your comment:

How is Trump destroying our democracy? This was built into our form of government and it happened in 1876 where three states sent different electors. it happens almost every election when their are faithless electors.


This was an issue during the 2016 election. Here is are a few links for you

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/drama-filled-electoral-college-vote-fitting-ending-2016-election-n697521

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/01/06/congresswoman-maxine-waters-booed-after-objection-to-electoral-college-count/


The second link is my favorite and I think you'll get alot out of it as well. It talks about Maxine waters and democrats from 10 states trying to force the exact same thing that is happening now because they didn't like Trump.

So my question is the same. Its quite literally written into our constitution and the articles for what is happening to happen and how it is to be handled. So how is Trump destroying our democracy?

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Today we get another nail in the coffin of replacing the worse President this country has ever seen. Donald J Trump

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I'm curious...why is Trump the worse president this country has ever seen?

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So many things but what stands out in my mind right now is the worse response from any western country on the Covid 19 virus. He continues to launch a fraud election campaign to raise money for his coffers while this virus has killed almost 300,000 Americans.

Has totally gutted the state department and offended allies that America will need one day.

Done nothing but rolled back regulations designed to help with Climate change.

And lied every day about something. Not just a slip on tongue or misstating of some hard statistics. Outright lies.

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He lies every single day? You do realize that politicians lie daily...right? That's kinda their schtick. Obama lied his ass off....so did Clinton.

Roll back regulations on climate change? Like the Paris Climate accord that should of gone through the treaty process in the senate but didn't? It was a **** deal and anyone who read through it knows it. We were going to give billions a year to third world countries to improve their manufacturing, while having to cut back on out production. The biggest polluter in the world, China, didn't even have to start trying to meet the standard until 2032. Same for India.

Gutted the state department? The president is in charge of the state department. He gets to run it however he wants. But the fact that you had ambassadors who refused to put his picture up in the embassy, even though he was president, was a joke. You had people in the state department who testified to congress that the president should be following how then wanted to run foreign, not the guy we elected to manage foreign policy. They should of all been fired.

Offended Allies? Do you mean like England or Australia? Ya know....the countries that quite literally helped the CIA and FBI spy on the Trump when he was coming into office? Or are you talking about backing out of the Iran deal? A deal that we weren't allowed to verify that one side was actually doing what they were suppose. The same Iran that were yelling in the streets "Death to America!" Or are you talking about our neighbors in Central America that were forced to take care of their own populations and not send droves on people here illegally to the US. Your mad because the guy stood up for the country instead of just bowing down to everyone else.

As far as the CoronaVirus......I get that it could of been handled better. I also think that its pretty disingenuous of you try any put all of the blame at the feet of Trump. The states were in charge of their own restrictions and policies, not the Federal government. That's how it should be.

Raising money for a fraud campaign? For starter the guy is having to pay court cost and the cost of audits, lawyers, and whatever else is part of that effort. That doesn't make it a fraudulent campaign. There's lots of evidence that fraud was committed during this past election.

Your problem is that you hold the guy up to a standard of being holier than thou and then absolutely **** on him because he isn't and the only reason that you do it is because of the letter behind his name. If he was a democrat you would be fine with what he was doing. You would say that he was elected by the people to manage foreign policy and how he manages regulations. You can admit to that....its ok. The truth is that Biden is going to be put in office in a few weeks and you are going to sing the guy's songs like he is the next coming because of the letter behind his name and the next time a republican is elected he is going to be the worse human in the world again......

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Trump is the biggest liar the presidency has ever seen. not to mention his IQ has to be incredibly low to even ask if you can put disinfectant in your lungs. Please do not say that he was just kidding. I saw the press conference live that day. He asked the question. Then he does what he always does. he lied about that. Yes thank god I am a Democrat.

Republicans want to win so bad they will back Trump when it goes against every democratic principal this country was founded on.
Please just look no further than Sydney Powell Who Trump claimed was a lawyer on his team for election fraud tell she went to far with outlandish claims. But if you just read a few posts up and you will see a person on here still posting her outlandish claims as facts on here.

The Republican Party has lost their way under Trump. I do not see them getting it back. You just lost the Presidency by almost 7 Million votes. You have lost the poplar vote 7 out of the last 8 elections. I understand about electoral votes and I understand how it works and yes I understand it is the law. The electoral vote 5 out of the last 8.

You control the Senate by the skin of your teeth and that is with a majority of votes also. No I do not wan to change how we elect senators I am just making a point that you are governing from a minority electorate.

And before somebody points out the Democrats control the House by the skin of their teeth. I realize that. But it is with a majority of the electorate.
The right make words like Liberal and socialist bad words. Trying to make a villain. yes if any type of political view is taken to far it is bad thing. Please keep in mind that goes for Conservative or Trumpian.

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It's absolutely stunning (okay, not really any more) that the party of the Clinton's and of the grandaddy of all liars, 0bama - makes any complaints at all about lying. My goodness - dems lie as easily as they breathe, and almost as often.

America has prospered richly under Trump's leadership. The turn around from the "managed decline" that 0bama was given us has been nothing short of a miracle.

And he had to do the vast majority of the work on his own.

There are no words available to express the foolishness of moving from the golden age we've experienced under Trump - to the geriatric drunkard lying Chinese bag-man, mafia leader with dementia Biden.

Probably the single dumbest thing a large group of people have ever done in recorded history.

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Yes which makes the point quite well that Trump is destroying our democracy.

Thanks for helping to prove the point

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We don't even have a democracy - we have a democratic republic.

And there's nothing inherently good about a democracy. It works well in a Christian, intelligent civilized and thoughtful society. But if the majority of the populace is amoral and idiotic - not so much.

80K new registrations happened in Georgia for the Jan 5th run-off election.

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

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Cowboy, rich is a hack! No need to involve him in the discussion. Best thing to do is ignore him.

Nonetheless, this should get everyone to read the constitution and understand the process. Now, I'm not fan of what the states are doing by sending both electors, although, I understand they can. Ultimately, the people voted and I think the electors, based on the people, should be sent. I also believe this election is a big **** show wrought with election fraud.

If Trump can't win the conventional way, or though the courts, then so be it....

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I hate blocking anyone. I enjoy the debate and back and forth honestly. I know I am pretty stuck in my beliefs, but i do enjoy hearing a different point of view


I normally wouldn't agree with what is going on either, but with so much fraud in this election I understand it. This is the only way that the state legislatures can get their constitutional right to weigh in on the election.

I honestly think that we should go back to only land owners getting a vote and then only electing the state representatives. From there the state representatives vote for both the president and then appoint senators. Before someone suggest something stupid yes I do think that women and minorities should get to vote, but should need an ID. I think this way because people should have a stake in something that they are voting for. If you dont have anything or only take a government handout you shouldn't get a voice in how the country is run.....just my two cents

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80K new registrations happened in Georgia for the Jan 5th run-off election.

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I'm calling bull on that. 80K new people did not register to vote for a senator when they didn't vote during a presidential election just a month ago.

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From the audit that was released by Michigan this morning per a Judge's order....

"We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create a systematic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Base on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not have been used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim Country should not have been certified."

Another quote from the audit

"Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of records prevents and form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicions since the files exist for previous years using the same software. Removal of these files violates state law and prevents a meaningful audit, even if the Secretary wanted to conduct an audit. We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed."

Give me a ****ing break man....

Link if you want to read through yourself: https://t.co/OfBvjzm5Nx?amp=1

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But Erik Grill, an assistant attorney general representing Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, warned that the analysis is "inaccurate, incomplete and misleading."

"There's no reason to hide," Grill said during a virtual court hearing Monday morning. "There is nothing to hide."

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If this analysis was done by a Trump group, then I can definitely see why some would say that it is biased. So, Eric Grill, get in there and prove them wrong. Do it together!

I said this a long time ago... It's really time for the Democrats to prove we didn't have fraud. I got slammed for that!

So, instead of saying ""inaccurate, incomplete and misleading"., which sounds like what the Trump team is saying; get in there together to understand what the Hell is happening. Why would anybody not support this?

We need the entire country (well, I know we will always have people that believe in crap) believing this was a legitimate election, not just 50%!!!

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Why is there all of a sudden the presumption of metaphorical guilt in our electoral system, and a requirement that we must prove the system's innocence?

Nothing in our system's current or past operations justifies the presumption that the system is crooked until proven otherwise.

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Dumps of 600,000 votes in the middle of the night - all for one guy (the one who is losing) - will tend to make fraud a certainty - wouldn't you think?

You guys need to go read the dissent in the Wisconsin Supreme Court case by Trump. Then go read the second case ruling by the court from a non Trump complaint.

We now have our first recognition of issues in this past election!

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80K new registrations happened in Georgia for the Jan 5th run-off election.

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I'm calling bull on that. 80K new people did not register to vote for a senator when they didn't vote during a presidential election just a month ago.

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Stacy Abrams is a magician!!!

I understand what our government is. Again I do not need civics lessons from you.
But if this government was not built on democrartic principles. Then I will go away. That is not happening.

Of course you ask how Trump is killing our democracy. Which is proof that you think our nation is built on democracy.

So to answer your question. I will give you examples.

He uses the Attorney General as his personal lawyer.
He attacks the heart of our democracy our elections as being fradulent. He does this every time he loses.
See Iowa and Ted Cruz

He asks governors and AG from states to try to overturn an election.

He offers no proof for accusations.

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80K new registrations happened in Georgia for the Jan 5th run-off election.

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I'm calling bull on that. 80K new people did not register to vote for a senator when they didn't vote during a presidential election just a month ago.

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Stacy Abrams is a magician!!!

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I wish money showed up in my bank account like those votes just show up out of nowhere for democrats.....

Sydney Powell is a joke. So much so she was dismissed from Trump lawyer team

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Fraud happened. Too much to deny.

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All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Supposedly all this fraud, clear as day....yet evidently it wasn't clear to Trump or anyone on his legal team since they didn't bring any of it in front of a judge or include it in any of their filings.

But hey, some random nobody said something....it got tweeted and retweeted by folks who want to believe it...made it to rumble or parler....and is now accepted as fact by those who don't bother to look up the fact that it was debunked the next day.

You could say that about pretty much every single claim of fraud. So evidently, just like UNC fans claiming they were "cleared" by the NCAA, if you say it enough times it must be true.

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It's funny that you bring up UNC-CHeat.

Anybody that followed that closely knew that there were stacks upon stacks of evidence that the CHeats were as corrupt as it was humanly possible to be within the realm of sports.

And yet - the media totally buried all of it. Agency after agency that should have and could have provided oversight - walked away from their duty. And the CHeats totally skated.

On a much larger and more critical scale - the same techniques that were used to protect the CHeats are being used to protect the Biden campaign. On a much larger scale, the same way that CHeat fans covered their eyes and ears to protect themselves from anything that might indicate that the school that they worshipped did anything wrong - so do those that worship at the Dem alter - refuse to let the blatantly obvious fraud sneak past their personal defenses.

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I understand what our government is. Again I do not need civics lessons from you.

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Apparently you do. You said that we had a democracy.

Show me that. I said he is destroying our democracy.
That is referring our democratic principals.

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I understand what our government is. Again I do not need civics lessons from you.
But if this government was not built on democrartic principles. Then I will go away. That is not happening.

Of course you ask how Trump is killing our democracy. Which is proof that you think our nation is built on democracy.

So to answer your question. I will give you examples.

He uses the Attorney General as his personal lawyer.
He attacks the heart of our democracy our elections as being fradulent. He does this every time he loses.
See Iowa and Ted Cruz

He asks governors and AG from states to try to overturn an election.

He offers no proof for accusations.

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"He uses the Attorney General as his personal lawyer."
-- Please be very specific with this accusation. As you do so, remember that Eric Holder referred to himself as "Obama's wing man". And he acted accordingly.

He attacks the heart of our democracy our elections as being fradulent. He does this every time he loses.
See Iowa and Ted Cruz.
--- There was overwhelming election fraud in this election and in 2018. Is it wrong to speak the truth?


He asks governors and AG from states to try to overturn an election.

-- Free, fair, and transparent elections would be fine. Why were the Trump observers kicked out in the big cities where miracle vote dumps took place in the middle of the night?


He offers no proof for accusations.

--- Just because they don't talk about it on CNN, doesn't mean that there hasn't been mountains of proof provided. This is not to mention the manifestly self-evident nature of the massive vote shifts that took place in a synchronized fashion in the middle of the night.

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Show me that. I said he is destroying our democracy.
That is referring our democratic principals.

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You just did it again.

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I understand what our government is. Again I do not need civics lessons from you.

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Apparently you do. You said that we had a democracy.

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Supplychain, rich is a hack! Your best to ignore him! He doesn't have knowledge of anything. Lacking knowledge means ignorant.

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I understand what our government is. Again I do not need civics lessons from you.
But if this government was not built on democrartic principles. Then I will go away. That is not happening.

Of course you ask how Trump is killing our democracy. Which is proof that you think our nation is built on democracy.

So to answer your question. I will give you examples.

He uses the Attorney General as his personal lawyer.
He attacks the heart of our democracy our elections as being fradulent. He does this every time he loses.
See Iowa and Ted Cruz

He asks governors and AG from states to try to overturn an election.

He offers no proof for accusations.

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He uses the Attorney General as his personal lawyer: "I'm still the president's wingman" That William Barr is so in the tank for Trump.....no....wait....That was Eric Holder talking about Barack Obama. William Barr sat on the fact that Biden's kid was under FBI investigation beginning in February. Way to go in acting as the Trump's personal attorney.

He attacks the heart of our democracy our elections as being fraudulent: I guess that you just forgot the last 4 years of democrat politicians screaming that Trump was illegitimate. Over 70 democrats refused to even show up at Trump's inauguration. The FBI and CIA investigated the guy while he was running for president, going so far as planting someone in Trump's campaign. Trump running his mouth is a joke compared to what has happened over the last 4 years.

He asks governors and AG from states to try to overturn an election: Asking a governor and AG from a state to investigate the thousands and thousands of allegations and affidavits isn't trying to overturn an election.

He offers no proof for accusations: I'll repeat it again,,,,thousands and thousands of allegations. Do you want to talk about the results that were released today by the audit of the voting machines?

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Apparently the Arizona Legislature is also looking at sending electors to vote for Trump as well - If so that's 4 states.

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At this point its my understanding that the legislatures of Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona have cast their electoral college votes for Trump. Even though the state is sending democrat electors, the legislature of each state can send electors as well. When you get dueling electors from a state the VP gets to decide which to accept, or not accept either.

This is fun....

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The Wisconsin legislature just decided to send their own electors as well. That makes 5 states so far.....

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If all five states are doing the same thing as PA, then I don't think anyone is sending anything. Read the report from the PA GOP that you linked. Those are conditional electors in the event of future actions that would call the election in the state into question. There's no intent to change the status quo. I read that as like a legal bookmark.

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I believe Romney will fall in line with the party if he becomes Senate Majority Leader.

I don't agree with all he's done, but I don't think he'll be any worse than McConnell or anyone else was.

Hopefully we'll get to see that, I don't want one party controlling all 3.

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Romney will fall in line with whomever it is that is filling his pockets.

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It has everything to do with the make up of the electorate.

In the case of the presidency it makes your path very difficult to win if you are on the minority side of those numbers Einstein.

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Unless the legislatures decide to send dueling electors....which apparently is happening

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Again, this isn't correct. State GOP members are selecting their own Trump electors, but those will not be signed and certified by state governors, SoS, etc. Therefore they won't be counted January 6, when Pence has to declare Biden the winner to Congress. It's a pony show.

That is correct, they don't mean ***** It's just to stir things up for no reason.

All Democrat? What's the source?