Election Interference/Fraud

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caryking
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Mark Finchum (R), Arizona State congressman was asked the following question:

Q: Why are none of the Republican leaders stepping up to call this election fraudulent?
A: Cash Flow! Donald Trump has turned off the cash flow from the Federal Government and the States hate him for this.

I would hope everyone here would support Trump with this. He is trying to get back to Federalism!!!
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“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

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Don't blame him. Why should states w/ their own problems bail out Cali, Illinois, and others for their fiscal mistakes of the past
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Dmax95 said:

Don't blame him. Why should states w/ their own problems bail out Cali, Illinois, and others for their fiscal mistakes of the past
These states are the blueprint for what the left anticipates our country to be like in the future. All socialist run programs, high taxes, high crime and zero accountability by the democrat leaders. i.e. California and their politicians blatantly violating their own Covid policies and writing it off to say.."oops, my bad..." Typical liberal mindset. They want one party rule and a separate set of laws for them and their elite friends. The caste system is strong in that party. They lord over the minorities instilling fear in them about some horrible "white demons" and make sure that hey keep them beholden to the government for housing, food, jobs etc.... all the while getting rich off of the very people they are supposed to be helping. God help us if Georgians fail to show up in January. This country will be destroyed and a socialist utopia that so many of the lefties want will be put into motion.
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BBW12OG said:

Dmax95 said:

Don't blame him. Why should states w/ their own problems bail out Cali, Illinois, and others for their fiscal mistakes of the past
These states are the blueprint for what the left anticipates our country to be like in the future. All socialist run programs, high taxes, high crime and zero accountability by the democrat leaders. i.e. California and their politicians blatantly violating their own Covid policies and writing it off to say.."oops, my bad..." Typical liberal mindset. They want one party rule and a separate set of laws for them and their elite friends. The caste system is strong in that party. They lord over the minorities instilling fear in them about some horrible "white demons" and make sure that hey keep them beholden to the government for housing, food, jobs etc.... all the while getting rich off of the very people they are supposed to be helping. God help us if Georgians fail to show up in January. This country will be destroyed and a socialist utopia that so many of the lefties want will be put into motion.
Is there any actual statistics that show California, Illinois, and "others" taking a higher percentage of Federal money than whatever States you're thinking of?
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Check their budget deficits. They'll take whatever you give them. Cali this year has a 54b debt hole to fill.
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They've succeeded:

Communist Goals as read into record - 1963


1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the cultureeducation, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and ******ing of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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https://taxfoundation.org/state-public-pension-plan-funding-coronavirus/ underfunded pensions, growing deficits, less tax receipts from business and covid affects revenue. It's all a mess. Whether is student debt, state/city debt, or more aid for covid, tons of states/citizens have screwed themselves and are looking for a bail out. It doesn't seem fair that the amzn/wmt/targets for ex run normally but everyone else can't. It's in everyones best interest to run their business as well as possible. Yet blanket rules shutting these places down is hypocrisy. Anyways.
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Again I always post this with reference to the idiots who think the right is the issue. They got duped to believe they're helping the masses when they're helping the communists/socialist/swamp in control.
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So let me get this straight. So conservators are worried about the left and socialism?

When the right is trying to have the election voided so they keep a president that lost his re-election. The amount he lost by was larger than what he won his original election. Yes I know the electoral college amount was the same. But the poplar vote was larger this time.
The will of the majority.

I worry much more that the right is going way too far. It really appears that the right wants a fascist state.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

So let me get this straight. So conservators are worried about the left and socialism?

When the right is trying to have the election voided so they keep a president that lost his re-election. The amount he lost by was larger than what he won his original election. Yes I know the electoral college amount was the same. But the poplar vote was larger this time.
The will of the majority.

I worry much more that the right is going way too far. It really appears that the right wants a fascist state.
We are a Representative Republic. Perhaps you should go learn about it. I recommend reading Thomas Paine's "Common Sense"
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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I need no civics classes from you sir. I know our form of government and I understand what Donald Trump and his followers are doing to our democracy. I suggest you read the federalist papers so you understand The Constitution of the United States.
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There's no laws being broken here asking for recounts.. Fascist comments are pretty funny considering which side seems like the fascists. The left wants to silence science/speech/Gender pronouns/Societal Roles/religion..... that doesn't agree with their beliefs. They want to limit peoples right to bear arms. They want to court pack. Who is acting like fascist again looking to change the founding rules of our country?
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Fascism always misused
Wolfpackrich1
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The right is trying to void an election.......... Elections are the heart of a democracy.
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Dmax95 said:

There's no laws being broken here asking for recounts.. Fascist comments are pretty funny considering which side seems like the fascists. The left wants to silence science/speech/Gender pronouns/Societal Roles/religion..... that doesn't agree with their beliefs. They want to limit peoples right to bear arms. They want to court pack. Who is acting like fascist again looking to change the founding rules of our country?
Trump isn't only asking for recounts, he's asking for ballots to be thrown out.

Recounts are irrelevant. They aren't going to affect the outcome.

Trump lost, bigly. Fraud of that level is simply impossible.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

The right is trying to void an election.......... Elections are the heart of a democracy.

It's amazing how crooked the right (not really the right, but the Trumpians) have become.

The way they're acting now, they have become everything they've always accused the Democrats of being and more.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

I need no civics classes from you sir. I know our form of government and I understand what Donald Trump and his followers are doing to our democracy. I suggest you read the federalist papers so you understand The Constitution of the United States.
Which one? I know them well; however, I can always use a refresher...
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Looks like the Republicans aren't the only ones trying to change election results...

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/democrats-represented-by-marc-elias-try-to-overturn-two-house-elections-pelosi/
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Refresh yourself on #51 Carymonarch
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

The right is trying to void an election.......... Elections are the heart of a democracy.

An election that was stolen in the wee hours of the morning by using every dirty trick in the book.

In. Only. Four. States.
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Nit a shred of evidence. Just normal lies by Trump and his three blind mice.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

Nit a shred of evidence. Just normal lies by Trump and his three blind mice.
That's hilarious. How do you find evidence if you don't investigate and look into EVERY accusation. Funny how the dems never once had an issue chasing every whisper of something negative about President Trump and his campaign from the second he was nominated. The left has something going for them that they will never lose... HYPOCRISY. I for one am praying that the election IS overturned just to see the smug, arrogant, condescending heads on the left explode. Good times I tell you, good time.
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4 years of relentless investigations by the left.
Amazing, how evidence everywhere of election issues/irregularities/tampering/fraud/software glitches and the left just says ignore it. Thank you for your comments. The hypocrisy is at a level that just makes ya wonder what are they covering up?
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Dmax95 said:

4 years of relentless investigations by the left.
Amazing, how evidence everywhere of election issues/irregularities/tampering/fraud/software glitches and the left just says ignore it. Thank you for your comments. The hypocrisy is at a level that just makes ya wonder what are they covering up?

'The left' says ignore it? Election fraud isn't getting litigated on IPS or social media. It's getting litigated in courts.

The courts, including Republican judges and justices, are evidently ignoring it too. What are those judges covering up? What are those justices hypocritical about?

If there's 'evidence everywhere' why isn't that evidence getting produced for the courts?

Or is it getting produced and the courts are just ignoring it for some reason?

The left isn't ignoring evidence. The left is making the obvious observation that there evidently is no persuasive evidence.
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BBW12OG said:

Wolfpackrich1 said:

Nit a shred of evidence. Just normal lies by Trump and his three blind mice.
That's hilarious. How do you find evidence if you don't investigate and look into EVERY accusation. Funny how the dems never once had an issue chasing every whisper of something negative about President Trump and his campaign from the second he was nominated. The left has something going for them that they will never lose... HYPOCRISY. I for one am praying that the election IS overturned just to see the smug, arrogant, condescending heads on the left explode. Good times I tell you, good time.
Funny how every judge has said that you have no evidence.
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Dmax95 said:


That seems like a big deal.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

Nit a shred of evidence. Just normal lies by Trump and his three blind mice.
Yep... not a shred, other than over 1000 witnesses including expert statisticians and computer scientists, experienced poll workers, poll watchers, and more. Also video evidence in GA.

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Wolfpackrich1 said:

BBW12OG said:

Wolfpackrich1 said:

Nit a shred of evidence. Just normal lies by Trump and his three blind mice.
That's hilarious. How do you find evidence if you don't investigate and look into EVERY accusation. Funny how the dems never once had an issue chasing every whisper of something negative about President Trump and his campaign from the second he was nominated. The left has something going for them that they will never lose... HYPOCRISY. I for one am praying that the election IS overturned just to see the smug, arrogant, condescending heads on the left explode. Good times I tell you, good time.
Funny how every judge has said that you have no evidence.
Has the SCOTUS ruled yet? Last time I checked that was the law of the land. If they rule that then fine. I'd be willing to say that the GOP won't chase after Sleepy Joe and Willie's side piece for four years like the democrats did Trump. Funny how you lefties forget that you did nothing but resist for four years and now you want a kumbaya moment to patch things up. Here's my thoughts on that.... good luck. If I'm a GOP politician I'm going to make the next two years hell until the mid terms and the house flips. The next two years will be spend doing to them as they done unto us. The White House is all but assured to be back in GOP hands in 2024. You can't have the ineptness of Biden/Willie's Side Piece running the show without it blowing up bigly. Gonna be fun to watch the DNC run media try to spin that **** show into something positive.
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Wolfpackrich1 said:

Refresh yourself on #51 Carymonarch
Once again, Rich...
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Caryking not Caryrepublican?
Is fitting that you use a monarchists term in your screen name because you have an issue with fair and equatable elections.


I guess I can have my last name changed... and, I'll make Cary - Pineknollshores as I own a home there as well.

Come on, that is a weak as it gets. So, I'm taking it as fun and games, ok?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Civilized said:

Dmax95 said:

4 years of relentless investigations by the left.
Amazing, how evidence everywhere of election issues/irregularities/tampering/fraud/software glitches and the left just says ignore it. Thank you for your comments. The hypocrisy is at a level that just makes ya wonder what are they covering up?

'The left' says ignore it? Election fraud isn't getting litigated on IPS or social media. It's getting litigated in courts.

The courts, including Republican judges and justices, are evidently ignoring it too. What are those judges covering up? What are those justices hypocritical about?

If there's 'evidence everywhere' why isn't that evidence getting produced for the courts?

Or is it getting produced and the courts are just ignoring it for some reason?

The left isn't ignoring evidence. The left is making the obvious observation that there evidently is no persuasive evidence.


I think anybody can conclude that the courts have been unfavorable to legal challenges from Trump supporting lawyers. The real question is why? If you look around at alternative media, the evidence is there. Is there enough evidence to change the outcome of this election? Nobody knows.

We have both Republican and Democratic courts, Governor's, SOS's doing the same thing. Why? I don't know. I do know that the blanket statement of: they have no evidence is foolish and downright ignorant (lacking knowledge).

So, as I have said plenty of times, let the process play out and see what happens. Another big question is: why do you liberals continue to come in this thread fighting if you know your right. Let misery love company!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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caryking said:

Civilized said:

Dmax95 said:

4 years of relentless investigations by the left.
Amazing, how evidence everywhere of election issues/irregularities/tampering/fraud/software glitches and the left just says ignore it. Thank you for your comments. The hypocrisy is at a level that just makes ya wonder what are they covering up?

'The left' says ignore it? Election fraud isn't getting litigated on IPS or social media. It's getting litigated in courts.

The courts, including Republican judges and justices, are evidently ignoring it too. What are those judges covering up? What are those justices hypocritical about?

If there's 'evidence everywhere' why isn't that evidence getting produced for the courts?

Or is it getting produced and the courts are just ignoring it for some reason?

The left isn't ignoring evidence. The left is making the obvious observation that there evidently is no persuasive evidence.


I think anybody can conclude that the courts have been unfavorable to legal challenges from Trump supporting lawyers. The real question is why? If you look around at alternative media, the evidence is there. Is there enough evidence to change the outcome of this election? Nobody knows.

We have both Republican and Democratic courts, Governor's, SOS's doing the same thing. Why? I don't know. I do know that the blanket statement of: they have no evidence is foolish and downright ignorant (lacking knowledge).

So, as I have said plenty of times, let the process play out and see what happens. Another big question is: why do you liberals continue to come in this thread fighting if you know your right. Let misery love company!
There are a lot of people regardless of party that are quite comfortable in their position. They do not want any of this controversy. This is the biggest case of fraud in US history and we are in an extreme polarized society. Our leaders lack courage and the moral gumption to do what is right... we know this from many examples but 2020 revealed all with regards to that. Judges are partisan... they were not supposed to be but they are, particularly the left leaning judges. I don't really care about those district judges or state supreme courts that are biased. The lawyers know how to appeal and move it up the ladder. The SCOTUS is the key particularly in PA but maybe for all of it. If SCOTUS refuses to take it up or doesn't rule in favor of Trump team then PA is lost and it's a big blow for them but also for the constitution and rule of law.

As far as flipping the other states the state legislatures are going to play a big role. But there are not many votes separating Trump and Biden in AZ, GA, or WI and there's been enough evidence presented to overturn those by a mile. So even if you lose in PA or MI or NV those 3 alone overturn the result or at the least disqualify electors at all throwing the election into the house.
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All liberals... I like to watch this program daily. If you want to see what I watch, then do the same today. It's from 10:00 - 12:00 Monday thru Saturday. If you don't watch it live, go back and watch the replay...

I doubt this is going to change your mind; however, you can watch one person that has a different perspective and realize these people are not crazy; rather, real people that are concerned about what they have seen.

Does it change anything? to be seen...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWVvSbEw0imVIT8hiDcNgcQ

On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Al Gore referred to as "President- Elect" for 37 days before the case was decided in the SCOTUS? Again, I could be wrong. But it is going to be decided at the SCOTUS.... heads will explode if President Trump prevails.
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