I think they manage to hold out for a while but I'll go with 2029
"It's ACC Championship or bust, quite honestly"
There is a fellow named Kurt Schlichter who wrote a series of books about that...they are pretty good for entertainment purposes. He definitely makes fun of all of the stereotypesGuerrillaPack said:
Good point.
Then, when do they tear down all the statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson -- since they were slaveowners? Then they take George Washington off of the $1 bill. Then they rename the state of Washington (on the West coast) -- to "People's Communist Republic of the Pacific Northwest". Then rename the thousands of towns/streets/buildings across the nation named after George Washington?
Then when do we pack Mount Rushmore with dynamite and blow off Washington and Jefferson's faces?
As a realistic solution, I propose that we go ahead and split the country into at least two partitions -- One for the right, and one for the Left. The "right" part of the country can retain the U.S. Constitution and our history. The "left" one can become a communist banana republic and third world cesspit.
Because it's clear that the Left will not stop with their "change" and "revolution" until they have turned this country into a communist hellhole, and stripped the nation of the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and its entire history.
Those damn folks and their delicious chicken and dumplings....Bas2020 said:
Cracker Barrel is offensive as hell to me .
oh man.....If the closest one wasn't an hour away i know what i would be having for dinner tonightpackgrad said:
Especially when you stumble across one where the cook has damned the man and put a little salt in when cooking.
cowboypack02 said:oh man.....If the closest one wasn't an hour away i know what i would be having for dinner tonightpackgrad said:
Especially when you stumble across one where the cook has damned the man and put a little salt in when cooking.
He could probably swing a cat and hit a dollar general though.griff17matt said:cowboypack02 said:oh man.....If the closest one wasn't an hour away i know what i would be having for dinner tonightpackgrad said:
Especially when you stumble across one where the cook has damned the man and put a little salt in when cooking.
You live an hour from a Cracker Barrel? Christ, I'm surprised you have the internet.
Bell Tower Grey said:He could probably swing a cat and hit a dollar general though.griff17matt said:cowboypack02 said:oh man.....If the closest one wasn't an hour away i know what i would be having for dinner tonightpackgrad said:
Especially when you stumble across one where the cook has damned the man and put a little salt in when cooking.
You live an hour from a Cracker Barrel? Christ, I'm surprised you have the internet.
LOL. I'm in Wake Forest, and the closest Cracker Barrel is either Henderson or the one of 40 over near the airport. About 40 minutes, I'd say.griff17matt said:cowboypack02 said:oh man.....If the closest one wasn't an hour away i know what i would be having for dinner tonightpackgrad said:
Especially when you stumble across one where the cook has damned the man and put a little salt in when cooking.
You live an hour from a Cracker Barrel? Christ, I'm surprised you have the internet.
GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
Wow, a gif calling me a "stupid head". What a compelling argument. What is this, the 2nd grade?griff17matt said:GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
cowboypack02 said:
We have already moved well past just confederate statues torn down. Lets look as some of the statues that had nothing to do with the confederate cause that have been torn down or vandalized
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington
- Theodore Roosevelt
- Stevie Ray Vaughn - yes...the musician
- Abraham Lincoln
- Christopher Columbus
- Don Juan De Onate
- Juan Ponce de Leon
- Frank Rizzo
- Joan of Arc - yes...it really happened in New Orleans
This is why it isn't a good thing to let the mob rule, even if you don't agree with what it symbolizes. MLK jr. didn't agree with gay rights or gay marriage...would you be OK with gay marriage proponents getting together and vandalizing or destroying those monuments. Of course you wouldn't
The truth is that hardly anyone understands any type of historical context outside of the mob rule anymore. Everyone seems to hate Robert E Lee, but Lincoln asked him to command the northern troops. Lee turned him down not because he supported slavery, but because he didn't want to fight against Virginia, who he views as his statesmen and family, back in a time where states rights were much more important than federal rights
Arlington National Cemetery is on Lee's homestead.....Are we going to start destroying gravestones there too? There are 482 dead confederate troops buried at Arlington....do you guys want to grab the shovels for them? Starting in 1903 Theodore Roosevelt started placing a floral arrangement in the Confederate Section of Arlington, and every president, including Barack Obama has done that as well.
If we want to play by the rules of the mob then we must destroy everyone who has had anything to do with it at all....right? That includes Obama because he placed arrangements honoring the confederate dead through his entire presidency.
The girl who was arrested for tearing down the Lee statue on Duke's campus gave an interview wearing a tarheels shirt after she was released from jail for it. She had no clue how the term tarheel was used in the civil war.
Most of the confederate statues also fly the Confederate States of America flag, but it never gets taken down, even though the statue standing beside it was vandalized. Its happened in my hometown several times, but that flag is still flying high. That's because on one has any idea what it is, even though its being protested against. I'd bet that without looking it up 99% of you guys here know what it is.
And last but not least.....When you guys make GuerrillaPack sound like the sane one on the board your doing something wrong.
johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
So if something you believe is wrong that hasn't been able to be corrected by following a lawful process then you are okay with using unlawful means to resolve the issue?johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
People have gotten hurt taking down the statues...including one in Portsmouth, VA.johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
It does a little bit. Also looks like just about every other country when they overthrow a ruler that was dispicable. They dragged Saddam's statue's head through the streets of Baghdad. They did disgusting things to Mussolini in Italy. These types of things are fairly common, but still shocking. That's what makes them powerful.packgrad said:johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
Yes, and lynching the statue is also powerful. Reminds me of something terrorists would do when taking over a town.
acslater1344 said:cowboypack02 said:
We have already moved well past just confederate statues torn down. Lets look as some of the statues that had nothing to do with the confederate cause that have been torn down or vandalized
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington
- Theodore Roosevelt
- Stevie Ray Vaughn - yes...the musician
- Abraham Lincoln
- Christopher Columbus
- Don Juan De Onate
- Juan Ponce de Leon
- Frank Rizzo
- Joan of Arc - yes...it really happened in New Orleans
This is why it isn't a good thing to let the mob rule, even if you don't agree with what it symbolizes. MLK jr. didn't agree with gay rights or gay marriage...would you be OK with gay marriage proponents getting together and vandalizing or destroying those monuments. Of course you wouldn't
The truth is that hardly anyone understands any type of historical context outside of the mob rule anymore. Everyone seems to hate Robert E Lee, but Lincoln asked him to command the northern troops. Lee turned him down not because he supported slavery, but because he didn't want to fight against Virginia, who he views as his statesmen and family, back in a time where states rights were much more important than federal rights
Arlington National Cemetery is on Lee's homestead.....Are we going to start destroying gravestones there too? There are 482 dead confederate troops buried at Arlington....do you guys want to grab the shovels for them? Starting in 1903 Theodore Roosevelt started placing a floral arrangement in the Confederate Section of Arlington, and every president, including Barack Obama has done that as well.
If we want to play by the rules of the mob then we must destroy everyone who has had anything to do with it at all....right? That includes Obama because he placed arrangements honoring the confederate dead through his entire presidency.
The girl who was arrested for tearing down the Lee statue on Duke's campus gave an interview wearing a tarheels shirt after she was released from jail for it. She had no clue how the term tarheel was used in the civil war.
Most of the confederate statues also fly the Confederate States of America flag, but it never gets taken down, even though the statue standing beside it was vandalized. Its happened in my hometown several times, but that flag is still flying high. That's because on one has any idea what it is, even though its being protested against. I'd bet that without looking it up 99% of you guys here know what it is.
And last but not least.....When you guys make GuerrillaPack sound like the sane one on the board your doing something wrong.
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/stevie-ray-vaughan-statue-vandalized
Uhhh Stevie Ray Vaughan's statue was vandalized in 2018 by an Eagle's fan? Absolutely zero to do with race or mob mentality. Am i missing something??
Our country was founded on this.82TxPackFan said:So if something you believe is wrong that hasn't been able to be corrected by following a lawful process then you are okay with using unlawful means to resolve the issue?johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
johntom said:It does a little bit. Also looks like just about every other country when they overthrow a ruler that was dispicable. They dragged Saddam's statue's head through the streets of Baghdad. They did disgusting things to Mussolini in Italy. These types of things are fairly common, but still shocking. That's what makes them powerful.packgrad said:johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
Yes, and lynching the statue is also powerful. Reminds me of something terrorists would do when taking over a town.
johntom said:Our country was founded on this.82TxPackFan said:So if something you believe is wrong that hasn't been able to be corrected by following a lawful process then you are okay with using unlawful means to resolve the issue?johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
If he is talking about overthrowing the government then this is an entirely different conversation then a few protests....packgrad said:johntom said:Our country was founded on this.82TxPackFan said:So if something you believe is wrong that hasn't been able to be corrected by following a lawful process then you are okay with using unlawful means to resolve the issue?johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
So you're saying they are trying to overthrow the government and you're fine with that? Or laws don't need to be followed because our country broke the law when we went to war with England?
Neither. I was just doing a terrible job at pointing out the hypocrisy of saying that protesters must follow laws and be heard in lawful ways.packgrad said:johntom said:Our country was founded on this.82TxPackFan said:So if something you believe is wrong that hasn't been able to be corrected by following a lawful process then you are okay with using unlawful means to resolve the issue?johntom said:People have tried for years to have these taken down peacefully lawfully. It hasn't worked. I don't agree with the trashing of private businesses, but knocking down a statue is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things and can be fairly powerful.GuerrillaPack said:So you don't support the rule of law, and making change in society via peaceful (non-violent) means?johntom said:Comparing Confederate monuments to MLK monuments is.... interesting. Those are not even remotely comparable.GuerrillaPack said:Whether you are for or against those statues, the way things should be changed in society is via lawful processes -- eg, laws passed by the state legisltature, etc. Not by terrorism from roaming bands of rioting degenerates and criminals committing acts of violence and property damage.acslater1344 said:GuerrillaPack said:
Predict when they will remove the confederate statues located outside the State Capitol in Raleigh...
via lawless violence and unlawful Governor edict
Good riddance
How would you like it if, hypothetically, there were rioting crowds of "right-wingers" going around tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr., and then a Governor issued an executive order taking down all statues of Martin Luther King Jr.??
There are hundreds (probably thousands) of instances throughout history of monuments of oppressors being taken down and they are rarely taken down peacefully. This is no different.
You're ok with lawlessness and "non-peaceful" actions being taken when it furthers an agenda you agree with? You're ok with mob violence/terrorism and mob rule via intimidation?
Let's see how you like it if the other side (right-wing) decides that they are done with being peaceful, and institute their own form of vigilante justice. I think you'd be singing a different tune if that were going on.
So you're saying they are trying to overthrow the government and you're fine with that? Or laws don't need to be followed because our country broke the law when we went to war with England?