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In reply to Sierrawolf • 10:26p, 11/13/21
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My fiance tested positive last night. We're both vaccinated and she already is feeling better today. She's quarantining in the bedroom and I have been going in to bring her food etc. Not sure how long she will be able to withstand being cooped up in there. Has anyone had an experience when the other spouse doesn't get it? Just trying to figure out what to expect for myself.


I mean this respectfully. Live your life as you normally would. Don't be scared of anything.
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In reply to WarrenPeace • 12:06a, 11/14/21
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7:35a, 11/14/21
What if sierra is an obese asthmatic on chronic prednisone therapy for CLL and takes care of his 87 yo grandpa on home O2 every day, and for some reason he'd lose his job as a teacher if he missed 10 days of work? Still feel comfortable giving that advice?

Bottom line, Sierra, is that none of us here know enough about you or her to answer your question or to give you sound advice. Don't be scared, but be smart. Certainly there are household contacts that never get it. Sometimes it's because they took precautions, and many times it's despite the fact that they didn't. Some of the variables to consider when assessing your own risk include your own health, her viral load/shedding, the closeness and length of contact, the timing of your vaccination/ concentration of circulating Abs, ventilation in the crib, availability of an N95 and shield if you have to be around her, and dumb luck. Much of that you can't even answer I'm sure.

Sometimes i think it's more luck than anything. My kids' God parents are over weight but heathy: she had symptomatic disease twice before the vax and they slept in the same bed and he never got it. Also, there is evidence that being around people with disease boosts immunity (production of Abs) in contacts who are never infected with virus. So you might be getting a nice little booster without the dreaded jab. One can hope.
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7:45a, 11/14/21
I feel comfortable giving the same advice because I seriously doubt he has those conditions. Over 99% in his presumable age bracket survive the virus. Don't let fear mongering keep you from caring for and spending time with your fianc.

ETA. I spelled fianc right both times. Both times when I clicked to post it changed it. Oh well….. Spending time with your "lover"!
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2:34p, 11/14/21
Yeah we're both healthy and in our 30s. I'm not necessarily worried about being deathly ill, moreso missing additional time from my students in the classroom and having to quarantine.

She's still feeling okay, just mild cold symptoms. The only real negative side-effect is the copious amounts of online shopping that has taken place(anyone know how to block Target's website?)
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4:30p, 11/14/21
Dr. Robert Malone: "This is the Largest Experiment Performed on Human Beings in the History of the World." - The New American
I share this information for your discernment. This video is 1 hr 10 min long.



EDIT @ 11:15 PM on 11/14/2021

Dr. Paul Cottrell: Vaccines Are Government's Bioweapons Antidote Gone Awry! - The True Defender !
This one is from a slightly different perspective........but this Dr certainly sees an angle that many of you have eschewed: NWO/US/CCP ..........also for guys that think they know a little microbiology, you'll enjoy.

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4:32p, 11/14/21
If you're relatively young and vaccinated, the odds will be ever in your favor.
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6:09p, 11/14/21
Austria and Germany implement lockdowns only of the unvaxxed - only allowing the un jabbed to leave their homes for work or to get groceries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/12/austria-province-to-place-millions-of-unvaccinated-people-in-covid-lockdown
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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10:30a, 11/15/21
It would appear that Ivermectin as a Covid treatment is proving very successful in Japan. Interestingly, all the "fact checking" sites and the usual suspects such as USA Today are rushing to push a counter narrative.

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/11/03/japan-sees-huge-drop-in-cases-after-it-switches-to-ivermectin/
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 10:48a, 11/15/21
Ivermectin's not on their country's list of approved drugs for COVID so it would be hard to believe it's being widely used to treat COVID.

https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html
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11:07a, 11/15/21
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 11:15a, 11/15/21
Oldsouljer said:
It would appear that Ivermectin as a Covid treatment is proving very successful in Japan. Interestingly, all the "fact checking" sites and the usual suspects such as USA Today are rushing to push a counter narrative.

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/11/03/japan-sees-huge-drop-in-cases-after-it-switches-to-ivermectin/


I've always held out hope for ivermectin. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's great evidence yet that it makes a difference. More info to come on it tho, so I'm not losing hope yet. This article doesn't provide enough info to help me decide if ivermectin made the difference or if it was natural decline in cases everyone sees after these spikes. How did they use ivermectin? As a therapeutic or a prophylactic? How many people received it? At what dose and for how long? Was there a non treatment arm to compare cohorts? Does correlation finally mean causation? All of this is known, just not by me. So i hope the evidence is in favor of ivermectin. It would be nice to have another option. Or is this going to prove, when the next wave hits, to be another potential option that is said to be over promised only to under perform like so many things we have tried that didn't make much difference.

We recently stopped giving remdesivir routinely to inpts because of inconsistent efficacy. It's now just an option. And it was routine, like O2 and steroids. We still give mAbs to outpts, but the guys doing the treatment say it's pretty meh.

It's just a beeotch of a disease with inconsistent clinical presentations and outcomes, often unpredictable outcomes, and unpredictable, inconsistent, and changing responses to management options. My friend was a less than one percenter... Young, healthy and happy to be unvaxxed, and gone way before his time from a very very rare complication of the disease 3 wks after onset of a milder form of the disease requiring only outpatient treatment. His unvaxxed wife had the same disease, and she's totally fine except for the complete devastation of losing her husband. Would vaccination have made a difference? Maybe not. He never had severe dz or hospitalization. Would ivermectin made a difference? Molnupiravir? Decadron did not make a difference, and in fact likely contributed to his death. ALL OF THESE OPTIONS HAVE DOWN SIDES, SIDE EFFECTS THAT CANNOT BE DISCOUNTED. I cannot say that enough. It's very easy to be a cheerleader for everything not called a vaccine, but people in Japan that received ivermectin had side effects too. And they were likely more significant than the sore arm and fever (which lasts maybe 12 hrs) mentioned in the article in relation to the vaccine. Luckily, ivermectin tends to be safe, but so does dexamethasone at the doses given for covid.

A very long winded statement to say I'll take a wait and see approach before using that data to recommend ivermectin, but i remain hopeful because a cheap, effective, safe, and efficacious therapeutic is badly needed.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 11:22a, 11/15/21
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #science
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In reply to packgrad • 11:27a, 11/15/21
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Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #science


Yeah I mean it's Wake County for you. Shows you how much faith they have in the vaccine.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 11:34a, 11/15/21
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.
Yup. Back when my wife had COVID, we had to immediately send my son to live with family since the clock on his isolation due to close contact wouldn't start until my wife's isolation ended.

Because we had him with other family, he got back in ONLY 10 days. Despite never being sick.

I had to put up a fight to get it to 10 days (after sending him away) the school per Wake County health's recommendations wanted to keep it at 17 days, despite him no longer being in the same house.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 11:49a, 11/15/21
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.

Weird to me they couldn't get you up on zoom on a monitor in the class so you can teach, and just have a sub on hand for classroom management.
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In reply to Mormad • 11:56a, 11/15/21
Yes, the Japan-ivermectin story was secondary (I'm not advocating its use per se), to my primary point that the usual suspects are tripping all over themselves to deny that there's nothing there. But here's an interesting peer reviewed study published last spring on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 1:43p, 11/15/21
Oldsouljer said:
Yes, the Japan-ivermectin story was secondary (I'm not advocating its use per se), to my primary point that the usual suspects are tripping all over themselves to deny that there's nothing there. But here's an interesting peer reviewed study published last spring on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/


That's a really nice in silico look at the pharmacology of ivermectin with comparisons to HCQ and remdesivir. Thanks for finding that. Maybe a little meaty for some to read, but really helps us understand how an anti-parasitic can have anti-viral efficacy. Now, will it be effective in vivo? Let's hope so.

Back 25 yrs ago when i was a pup in neurosurgery, a group at Georgetown found that, in the lab and in monkeys, they could infect GBM (the uber deadly most common primary brain tumor) cells with a herpes virus that was genetically engineered to infect only tumor-laden brain cells, treat with gancyclovir, and it killed the infected tumor and cured the monkeys. We were so excited. Then it failed miserably in humans. So many things seem so promising and make little difference in human disease. My family supports gene therapy research for rare disease. The road from lab to clinical efficacy, as you well know, is a long one. But at some point in time, one of these things is gonna work and it's going to be ridiculous. Cures are coming. I'm convinced of it. I'm sure you have some insight into this topic.

Thanks again for the article. Really interesting to me.
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2:09p, 11/15/21



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Except as otherwise allowed by this policy, U-M requires all students, staff, faculty, and visitors to wear a face covering that covers the mouth and nose when indoors on U-M property (including the Ann Arbor, Dearborn and Flint campuses as well as U-M controlled properties off campus) and when on U-M buses




So about masks stopping the flu? It will be comical as public health doubles down on the fact that it was masks and not viral interference that 'stopped the flu' as flu becomes widespread again as COVID wanes.

Watch them never give up the fight.

EDIT: Side note... yay flu (only in how it signals the end of interference).
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In reply to Wayland • 3:12p, 11/15/21
Totally agree on the edit
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In reply to Wayland • 3:12p, 11/15/21
Mask proponents continually enrage me with this unscientific nonsense. If you want substantial protection against viruses when around other people, you have to wear something more substantial than a fabric mask. Or two or three of them as Fauci has ludicrously propounded in the past. Otherwise, you're simply counting on superstition to deliver you from protection. By the way, I've always been wary of influenza, it's gene shuffling abilities are significantly more formidable than that of any coronavirus solid-state chromosome, and as such, it's ability to more frequently bring some truly nasty strains into existence.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 6:28p, 11/15/21
Sierrawolf said:
packgrad said:
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #scien


Yeah I mean it's Wake County for you. Shows you how much faith they have in the vaccine.
So my daughter (a HS senior) got contract-traced on Friday.
Got a call from school nurse Friday, and said she'd been exposed to a kid who had tested +. But, because both he and she were vaccinated, and if she had no symptoms (and she has not), she could simply bring in her vaccination card and go to classes again on Monday.
The 17-day thing regardless of mitigating circumstances really is nuts.

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In reply to Packchem91 • 7:52p, 11/15/21
Packchem91 said:
Sierrawolf said:
packgrad said:
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #scien


Yeah I mean it's Wake County for you. Shows you how much faith they have in the vaccine.
So my daughter (a HS senior) got contract-traced on Friday.
Got a call from school nurse Friday, and said she'd been exposed to a kid who had tested +. But, because both he and she were vaccinated, and if she had no symptoms (and she has not), she could simply bring in her vaccination card and go to classes again on Monday.
The 17-day thing regardless of mitigating circumstances really is nuts.

Right. It's kind of wild. We had the same situation with a case on our football team but our vaccinated players pretty much immediately returned to school. I think the factor here is that we live together and I'm "continually exposed" which makes sense, I guess.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 9:11p, 11/15/21
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Sierrawolf said:
Packchem91 said:
Sierrawolf said:
packgrad said:
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #scien


Yeah I mean it's Wake County for you. Shows you how much faith they have in the vaccine.
So my daughter (a HS senior) got contract-traced on Friday.
Got a call from school nurse Friday, and said she'd been exposed to a kid who had tested +. But, because both he and she were vaccinated, and if she had no symptoms (and she has not), she could simply bring in her vaccination card and go to classes again on Monday.
The 17-day thing regardless of mitigating circumstances really is nuts.

Right. It's kind of wild. We had the same situation with a case on our football team but our vaccinated players pretty much immediately returned to school. I think the factor here is that we live together and I'm "continually exposed" which makes sense, I guess.
You should be able to be tested and if negative, return to the classroom. You are vaccinated and even if infected, many studies show you will transmit at a much lower rate and be infectious to others for a shorter period of time.

Add this to the fact that you and your students are required to wear a mask in school. If you test negative and are vaccinated, you should be in the classroom.
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In reply to Sierrawolf • 9:19p, 11/15/21
Sierrawolf said:
Packchem91 said:
Sierrawolf said:
packgrad said:
Sierrawolf said:
Okay so as y'all might know, I'm a teacher. Here's what's happening with work since I'm living with someone infected with COVID.

Today I was called and told that I have to be out for 17 days. So I have to wait out her 10 day quarantine and then wait 5 days before getting a negative test and can return on the 17th day. I'm absolutely flabbergasted. My students will have a sub for 2 weeks with some sort of made-up online assignment(I teach a hands-on elective.) Part of me understands the logic behind this but also man..my students are getting screwed.


Good to see your school system had policies based in #scien


Yeah I mean it's Wake County for you. Shows you how much faith they have in the vaccine.
So my daughter (a HS senior) got contract-traced on Friday.
Got a call from school nurse Friday, and said she'd been exposed to a kid who had tested +. But, because both he and she were vaccinated, and if she had no symptoms (and she has not), she could simply bring in her vaccination card and go to classes again on Monday.
The 17-day thing regardless of mitigating circumstances really is nuts.

Right. It's kind of wild. We had the same situation with a case on our football team but our vaccinated players pretty much immediately returned to school. I think the factor here is that we live together and I'm "continually exposed" which makes sense, I guess.
I get the duration of exposure because you live in same house is a factor (versus sitting at the same table in math class for one block)...but if vaccinated and if no symptoms or if negative test, then move on. And if the symptoms come, stay home.
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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 5:35a, 11/16/21
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Add this to the fact that you and your students are required to wear a mask in school. If you test negative and are vaccinated, you should be in the classroom.
Shouldn't those magical masks render the bolded portion above moot?
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In reply to TheStorm • 7:32a, 11/16/21
TheStorm said:
Daviewolf83 said:

Add this to the fact that you and your students are required to wear a mask in school. If you test negative and are vaccinated, you should be in the classroom.
Shouldn't those magical masks render the bolded portion above moot?
Yeah, some changes are coming to my county school board over that crap, parents have decided that the Board is no place for idiots.
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In reply to TheStorm • 9:33a, 11/16/21
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Daviewolf83 said:

Add this to the fact that you and your students are required to wear a mask in school. If you test negative and are vaccinated, you should be in the classroom.
Shouldn't those magical masks render the bolded portion above moot?
I started to include the CDC Director's comments from last week, but I was trying to stick to facts :-) What she said about masks being 80% effective in reducing Covid cases is pure fiction, but you make a good case. If masks are just as effective as vaccination, why aren't the unvaccinated students protected by wearing the magical mask?
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https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/some-shoppers-bag-wake-mask-mandates/19983405/

"Sometimes I'll put one on when I see that they're mandatory. If I don't see a sign that actually says 'mandatory,' I'll just go without it," said Jennifer Updgegraff, a hospital nurse.

Surprised she gave her name and profession, hope she doesn't work for Duke or she might get fired for blasphemy against the almighty mask lol.
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bgr3 said:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/some-shoppers-bag-wake-mask-mandates/19983405/

"Sometimes I'll put one on when I see that they're mandatory. If I don't see a sign that actually says 'mandatory,' I'll just go without it," said Jennifer Updgegraff, a hospital nurse.

Surprised she gave her name and profession, hope she doesn't work for Duke or she might get fired for blasphemy against the almighty mask lol.
I haven't worn a face diaper ONCE in Wake, Durham, and Orange county since they re-instituted the mask "mandates" (over the past 3-4 months) -- going into all sorts of restaurants, Lowes, AutoZone, Whole Foods, sporting events, etc.

It bears repeating...these are not even real mandates. There is no enforcement or penalty. I've read the legal documents of the "mandates". They even explicitly state in the declarations that the "mandate" is only meant to "encourage voluntary compliance". It's up to the businesses to "enforce" it, and 99% of the time they aren't going to say anything. And even if they do, all you have to do is say you qualify for a medical/health exemption which prevents you from wearing a mask (as stated explicitly in the legal documents of the "mandates"), and the business cannot ask for any proof that. You're just on the "honor system".

The first few times I go a particular place I feel the "pressure" and wonder if they are going to hassle me about a mask. But after going several months without wearing one everywhere, the fear goes away. I just don't give a **** now.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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In reply to GuerrillaPack • 1:40p, 11/16/21
The quote at the end shows just how malevolent the messaging has been (coincidentally from places such as WRAL!)

"Eugene Aldridge said that, even if other local cities and towns drop their mandates, he's not dropping his mask anytime soon.

'I feel strange if I don't have one on,' Aldridge said. 'I feel guilty and paranoid if I don't have one on.'"

I genuinely feel bad for people like that. I'm sure this guy is a nice, well-meaning person who has just had fear porn bombarding him for almost 2 years. Real emeny of the people ****, right there.
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Once vaccines + treatments for preventing / reducing hospitalizations and death are approved, there is no reason we should continue on with mandates of any kind.
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In reply to statefan91 • 3:13p, 11/16/21
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Once vaccines + treatments for preventing / reducing hospitalizations and death are approved, there is no reason we should continue on with mandates of any kind.
"Reason" no longer explains abuse of power by the Democrat party. "Fabrication" is the more appropriate word for their explanations these days. Flagrant misrepresentation of facts is their calling card. Ultimate power is their goal.
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