I appreciate that unlike a lot of public health officals she does take off the mask (heh) and admit what a lot of them and media deny which is that yes, many public health officals believe that citizens ought to have to ask their permission to live our lives.Oldsouljer said:
LOL, you left out that she also is distinguished by her (probably not intentional) efforts to fuel a growing anti-experts sentiment.
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bgr3 said:I appreciate that unlike a lot of public health officals she does take off the mask (heh) and admit what a lot of them and media deny which is that yes, many public health officals believe that citizens ought to have to ask their permission to live our lives.Oldsouljer said:
LOL, you left out that she also is distinguished by her (probably not intentional) efforts to fuel a growing anti-experts sentiment.
I think you would support a big "F" you to these people!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
Without the CDC and FDA, who would make sure sugar and corn get subsidized? Who would block cheap/at home COVID testing so that people have to go to centralized facilities and potentially expose others? Who would publish BS food pyramids that encourage people to load up on carbs? Who would advise us to cook our charcuterie meat? Who would tell us not to eat medium rare steak?caryking said:bgr3 said:I appreciate that unlike a lot of public health officals she does take off the mask (heh) and admit what a lot of them and media deny which is that yes, many public health officals believe that citizens ought to have to ask their permission to live our lives.Oldsouljer said:
LOL, you left out that she also is distinguished by her (probably not intentional) efforts to fuel a growing anti-experts sentiment.
I think you would support a big "F" you to these people!
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Vaccinated people are not as likely to transmit Covid-19 as unvaccinated people. Numerous health experts and infectious disease doctors made this clear when the CDC pointed to flawed studies that implied vaccinated people can transmit Covid-19 as equally as an unvaccinated person. It was not true when the CDC said this then and it is not true now, as this article makes clear.
Read more here in the article posted in The Atlantic:
No, Vaccinated People Are Not 'Just as Likely' to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Read more here in the article posted in The Atlantic:
No, Vaccinated People Are Not 'Just as Likely' to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Biden would just appoint a czar to lead a new Health Misinformation Ministry.bgr3 said:Without the CDC and FDA, who would make sure sugar and corn get subsidized? Who would block cheap/at home COVID testing so that people have to go to centralized facilities and potentially expose others? Who would publish BS food pyramids that encourage people to load up on carbs? Who would advise us to cook our charcuterie meat? Who would tell us not to eat medium rare steak?caryking said:bgr3 said:I appreciate that unlike a lot of public health officals she does take off the mask (heh) and admit what a lot of them and media deny which is that yes, many public health officals believe that citizens ought to have to ask their permission to live our lives.Oldsouljer said:
LOL, you left out that she also is distinguished by her (probably not intentional) efforts to fuel a growing anti-experts sentiment.
I think you would support a big "F" you to these people!
Almost under 3k for hospitalization numbers, from the high of 3.8k. Hope to see it keep dropping.
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Almost under 3k for hospitalization numbers, from the high of 3.8k. Hope to see it keep dropping.
Cases dropping too fast to not to.
Thankfully.
How is quarantine going for you guys? Had a family friend where the dad tested positive so he's quarantining in a room while the rest of the family is quarantining in the rest of the house. The poor mom is watching both kids and trying to get some work done but not sure how much.
How is quarantine going for you guys? Had a family friend where the dad tested positive so he's quarantining in a room while the rest of the family is quarantining in the rest of the house. The poor mom is watching both kids and trying to get some work done but not sure how much.
Thanks for asking.statefan91 said:
Thankfully.
How is quarantine going for you guys? Had a family friend where the dad tested positive so he's quarantining in a room while the rest of the family is quarantining in the rest of the house. The poor mom is watching both kids and trying to get some work done but not sure how much.
Kid is back at school. Moved back home yesterday. Life is basically back to normal.
After sharing a house for 2 weeks with someone who was COVID positive, I am still fine (knock on wood). My wife tried to similarly isolate to a room and while we tried to distance there were times of 'casual close contact' and we do share an HVAC.
So much randomness. Virus doesn't make judgement calls based on behavior. If it did, the roles in our house should have been reversed.
Wayland said:Thanks for asking.statefan91 said:
Thankfully.
How is quarantine going for you guys? Had a family friend where the dad tested positive so he's quarantining in a room while the rest of the family is quarantining in the rest of the house. The poor mom is watching both kids and trying to get some work done but not sure how much.
Kid is back at school. Moved back home yesterday. Life is basically back to normal.
After sharing a house for 2 weeks with someone who was COVID positive, I am still fine (knock on wood). My wife tried to similarly isolate to a room and while we tried to distance there were times of 'casual close contact' and we do share an HVAC.
So much randomness. Virus doesn't make judgement calls based on behavior. If it did, the roles in our house should have been reversed.
The fact that anyone thinks they have any control over this airborne virus at this point is just ludicrous.
Congrats on getting through the Covid response crisis! Fireworks emoji!!!
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Posted below are the latest hospital demographics. The first graph shows the daily hospital admissions and as you can see, the Summer wave has definitely peaked and is heading down, just as I indicated last week. The peak happened around the time I expected it to happen - late August/early September.
The second graph shows hospitalizations by age group. The 17 under age group has continued to increase slightly, but I do expect it to start to come down over the next few weeks, as overall hospitalizations come down. Also, some of the hospitalizations for those 17 and under include kids who are hospitalized for RSV and Covid at the same time.
The second graph shows hospitalizations by age group. The 17 under age group has continued to increase slightly, but I do expect it to start to come down over the next few weeks, as overall hospitalizations come down. Also, some of the hospitalizations for those 17 and under include kids who are hospitalized for RSV and Covid at the same time.
Davie, does your hospitalization by age represent a per 100,000?
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No. It's the average number in that age group admitted to the hospital daily, for the time period listed at the top of the graph.Everpack said:
Davie, does your hospitalization by age represent a per 100,000?
Daviewolf83 said:No. It's the average number in that age group admitted to the hospital daily, for the time period listed at the top of the graph.Everpack said:
Davie, does your hospitalization by age represent a per 100,000?
So according to census data, 21.9% of NC's total population of 10,488,084 is under age 18. I count 2,296,890 children in NC. Your graph shows an average of 6 children under 18 admitted to the hospital WITH Covid daily. I'm looking to see where a 1 in 382,815 chance of a hospitalization WITH Covid is concerning. Am I missing something? Is this really a risk that parents are concerned with? Enough to alter their children's life?
Who is a pharma nazi?
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You are not missing anything. The numbers for those under 17 that are hospitalized is small, when compared with the other age groups. As I also mentioned in the earlier post, some of the hospitalizations could also be tied to a Summertime increase in cases of RSV. The RSV virus does not typically occur in the Summer for this age group, but this year there has been an unusually high instance of it occurring.Everpack said:Daviewolf83 said:No. It's the average number in that age group admitted to the hospital daily, for the time period listed at the top of the graph.Everpack said:
Davie, does your hospitalization by age represent a per 100,000?
So according to census data, 21.9% of NC's total population of 10,488,084 is under age 18. I count 2,296,890 children in NC. Your graph shows an average of 6 children under 18 admitted to the hospital WITH Covid daily. I'm looking to see where a 1 in 382,815 chance of a hospitalization WITH Covid is concerning. Am I missing something? Is this really a risk that parents are concerned with? Enough to alter their children's life?
The number of under 17 kids being hospitalized during the Summer wave is higher than in the Winter wave and this is likely due to a couple of factors that are different this time:
- Delta is a much more aggressive variant and it has more easily infected people than past variants. Kids were not immune to the increased infection rate.
- Kids have been in school in the more recent wave, compared to most schools (other than private schools) being remote learning in the Winter wave.
Yes, the world would be a happier place if we'd just done like Sweden.Everpack said:Wayland said:Thanks for asking.statefan91 said:
Thankfully.
How is quarantine going for you guys? Had a family friend where the dad tested positive so he's quarantining in a room while the rest of the family is quarantining in the rest of the house. The poor mom is watching both kids and trying to get some work done but not sure how much.
Kid is back at school. Moved back home yesterday. Life is basically back to normal.
After sharing a house for 2 weeks with someone who was COVID positive, I am still fine (knock on wood). My wife tried to similarly isolate to a room and while we tried to distance there were times of 'casual close contact' and we do share an HVAC.
So much randomness. Virus doesn't make judgement calls based on behavior. If it did, the roles in our house should have been reversed.
The fact that anyone thinks they have any control over this airborne virus at this point is just ludicrous.
Orlando Magic’s Jonathan Isaac says he isn’t getting the covid vaccine because he has natural immunity and data shows he isn’t at risk at all from covid. Well said: pic.twitter.com/AJmvlNRyff
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 28, 2021
Well stated from this NBA player.
Boy, I tell you what, the people with science signs in their yards have quite the conundrum with these NBA players not getting the vaccine, to go along with the demographics of many of those not receiving the vaccine.
He brings up a really good point about natural immunity that I don't think anyone in the media is considering. His age and physical fitness should also be considered, as he mentioned, as well.packgrad said:Orlando Magic’s Jonathan Isaac says he isn’t getting the covid vaccine because he has natural immunity and data shows he isn’t at risk at all from covid. Well said: pic.twitter.com/AJmvlNRyff
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 28, 2021
Well stated from this NBA player.
Boy, I tell you what, the people with science signs in their yards have quite the conundrum with these NBA players not getting the vaccine, to go along with the demographics of many of those not receiving the vaccine.
I do think it's dangerous and counterproductive to ask a lot of these athletes these questions and try to shame them for these reasons. Some 30 or 40 year old dude who works out 2 or 3 times a week might think they're the same and rally around these reasons. You aren't the same as one of the best conditioned athletes in the world. Chances are those folks will be fine too, but the risk level isn't the same.
I believe in most people getting vaccinated, but at this point it isn't any of our business unless you yourself are at risk or you're trying to protect those close to you from getting COVID at a specific event. 99% of adults and teens have had access to these for some time. It's their choice at this point. If you have children who can't be vaccinated I understand the concern given the media fearmongering, but they are not at much more risk than the flu which people have never been concerned with in the past.
It's been a year and a half. This isn't going away. Ever. We have to learn to live with COVID now. Some people who are at risk and choose not to be vaccinated will get really sick and die. Some people who aren't at risk and/or got vaccinated will have breakthrough cases and die. It's morbid, but it's reality. Focus our efforts now on treatments to get the death rates even lower and let's move on.
What is the hard time those people are having?
Natural immunity has been discussed quite a bit here. It used to be a commonly accepted part of herd immunity. Now our supposedly apolitical health organizations have been overrun with democrats that are trying to drive narratives. They have a willfully ignorant audience that just does what they're told without any critical thought.
There should be no mandates. Mask or vaccination. The left can't let go though. It is all they can scare people about now. But more and more people are waking up.
There should be no mandates. Mask or vaccination. The left can't let go though. It is all they can scare people about now. But more and more people are waking up.
To that point -
'Immunity will get us through Covid' - try to explain why yes, masks/distancing/ventilation/testing/contact tracing help at first but immunity is the only way to truly get through a pandemichttps://t.co/oWC1OFL4z2
— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) September 28, 2021
Just spitballin' here.packgrad said:
Natural immunity has been discussed quite a bit here. It used to be a commonly accepted part of herd immunity. Now our supposedly apolitical health organizations have been overrun with democrats that are trying to drive narratives. They have a willfully ignorant audience that just does what they're told without any critical thought.
There should be no mandates. Mask or vaccination. The left can't let go though. It is all they can scare people about now. But more and more people are waking up.
It seems obvious to me the reason those in power want to deny natural immunity (or somehow prove those people should be vaxxed anyway) is because if you allow for those who have had COVID to go about their lives without getting vaxxed that means vaccine mandates/requirements are DOA.
I think the same dynamics are at play as were at play with the cheap, at-home tests that the FDA shot down early on in the pandemic. The stated reason was that those tests were less accurate (b/c of self-administering, etc). I think the real reason is that if someone tests themselves at home and doesn't tell anyone, that case doesn't get counted in the official databases. Even if they were somewhat less accurate is it really better for someone to go without a test at all instead of a slightly less accurate one? And by what logic is it "safer" for people to go to a centralized facility and potentially expose/get exposed to others then to take a COVID test in the safety and privacy of their own home? It makes sense when you consider that what is being optimized for in this case is not harm reduction but centralization and control.
Edit: I think its also the same reason we see mask requirements regardless of vaccination status. That has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that if you allow for vaxxed to unmask but don't check vaccination status then you end up with all of the vaxxed Branch Covidians wearing masks and all of the vaxxed normal people and unvaxxed people not wearing them. Makes enforcement easier, oh, and it has the added benefit of pitting the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed which is a big part of what the administration is doing. They can't be blamed for not "shutting down the virus," as was promised, so it has to be the out-group causing all the problems.
Complete LIE. Getting vaxxed is NOT the "only" way to get immunity. There is also natural immunity from those who are covid-recovered -- which is far better immunity than getting jabbed with the mystery concoction of poison.statefan91 said:
To that point -'Immunity will get us through Covid' - try to explain why yes, masks/distancing/ventilation/testing/contact tracing help at first but immunity is the only way to truly get through a pandemichttps://t.co/oWC1OFL4z2
— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) September 28, 2021
Also, you don't need 100% of people to have immunity. For the longest time, they just talked about a certain threshold of the population getting immunity ("herd immunity") -- such as 70-80%. But it appears the goal posts are shifting yet again -- to claiming we need a higher % than that.
By this time, I suspect that at least 40-50% of the population (probably higher) have already had covid and recovered. Couple that with those taking the mystery injections, and we should be FAR above the threshold they talked about initially for "herd immunity"-- and therefore we should be totally back to normal by now, per what they said initially. Of course, we should never have gone through one day of this insanity (lockdowns, masks, forced vaccines, etc) over the Wu Flu.
But no...it seems obvious they want to push this until ~99% of us are forced to take these injections. That's what this is all about. They want to FORCE (mandate) vaccinations...for "vaccine passports", which are the first step towards the communist "social credit score" system (already in place in China), where they have a database on people and people are restricted from being able to live their lives (have a job, buy and sell, travel) unless they bow to the government mandates and political correctness.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/white-new-hampshire-resident-files-discrimination-suit-after-being-denied-covid-shot-over-race/
Live Free or Die unless your skin is the wrong color. Welcome back to 1951. It seems the Progressives are aggressively regressive.Quote:
A white New Hampshire resident who was refused a COVID-19 vaccine by the state earlier this year because he is not a person of color and thus did not meet its "equity" requirements has filed a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
The Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) and Boyden Gray & Associates filed the complaint on Tuesday on behalf of the unnamed 28-year-old man, who was unable to receive a COVID-19 vaccine in April despite having diabetes and therefore being at "elevated medical risk to COVID-19," according to the complaint.
Did you even read the piece, brother? She NEVER said that the vax was the only way to immunity. She even described Mizzou getting much of its immunity naturally, and described how natural infection even broadens and strengthens immunity in the vaxxed. If she feels that vaccination is a safer way to immunity than infection, then i think she's earned the right to that state that opinion given her education/training/experience with infectious diseases.
Boy, this kid just delivers.
Jonathan Isaac also teed off on the Rolling Stone story that called him anti-vacc. This is great too. Watch it: pic.twitter.com/vkafd5Q3bP
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) September 28, 2021
Mormad said:
Did you even read the piece, brother? She NEVER said that the vax was the only way to immunity. She even described Mizzou getting much of its immunity naturally, and described how natural infection even broadens and strengthens immunity in the vaxxed. If she feels that vaccination is a safer way to immunity than infection, then i think she's earned the right to that state that opinion given her education/training/experience with infectious diseases.
No. Just the headlines in the tweet....which reflects the main Establishment narrative that vaccines are the "only" way to "end covid". Even though the article acknowledges natural immunity, by saying that the vaxx is the "only safe way for immunity" it is making the argument that vaccines are essentially the "only viable option".
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
Yep
Progressivism is Dead,
— Vinay Prasad, MD MPH 🎙️📷 (@VPrasadMDMPH) September 29, 2021
Covid19 killed it
The Left Forgot What it Stood For
by @VPrasadMDMPH https://t.co/hBBaEUcZ1g
packgrad said:
YepProgressivism is Dead,
— Vinay Prasad, MD MPH 🎙️📷 (@VPrasadMDMPH) September 29, 2021
Covid19 killed it
The Left Forgot What it Stood For
by @VPrasadMDMPH https://t.co/hBBaEUcZ1g
The very things he laments are not new to progressivism. Covid didn't cause the insincerity and subterfuge of the left, it only made it that much more apparent.
Agreed
Covid just revealed what the Left truly is -- COMMUNISM. All Leftist movements all over the world are ideologically rooted in Marxism - whether it's admitted or not. They just have largely hidden their Marxist roots for decades. Now the mask is coming off. The Left (ie, the people at the top of the power structure) never believed in individual liberty, freedom, and caring for the welfare of the downtrodden masses. That is all a front. Marxism is a totalitarian ideology (a vehicle to bring in the globalist "New World Order" agenda), designed to enslave and control the masses and confiscate their wealth and establish the rule of the "1%" or elite.
Their true agenda is shutting down freedom of speech (ie, all opposition to their ideology), stripping the masses of their right to bear arms and pose a substantive "threat" of opposition to the power elite (government), and various other policies to have the government completely take over control of every aspect of life (heath care, education, etc) in order to disempower and enslave the people (ie, high taxation, etc). So now you see this with the Left openly supporting shutting down freedom of speech of anyone who disagrees with them (eg, on covid, vaccines, etc), firing people from their jobs who espouse certain views that do not align with Leftist ideology, and now not allowing people to have a job (or travel and participate in normal society) if they don't follow the Leftist agenda (ie, vaccine mandates...the first step towards a Chinese-style social credit score control system).
Their true agenda is shutting down freedom of speech (ie, all opposition to their ideology), stripping the masses of their right to bear arms and pose a substantive "threat" of opposition to the power elite (government), and various other policies to have the government completely take over control of every aspect of life (heath care, education, etc) in order to disempower and enslave the people (ie, high taxation, etc). So now you see this with the Left openly supporting shutting down freedom of speech of anyone who disagrees with them (eg, on covid, vaccines, etc), firing people from their jobs who espouse certain views that do not align with Leftist ideology, and now not allowing people to have a job (or travel and participate in normal society) if they don't follow the Leftist agenda (ie, vaccine mandates...the first step towards a Chinese-style social credit score control system).
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
"now the mask is coming off"
That was fantastic! Good one, GP!
That was fantastic! Good one, GP!
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