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In reply to MayorStoner • 2:50p, 9/18/21
MayorStoner said:
Wayland said:
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Fauci goes on to say, "We know for sure it's very, very good, 94%, 95% in protecting you against clinically recognizable disease..."


At the time of the December CNN interview, Pfizer was the only vaccine that had received Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorization, and Moderna's vaccine was just days away from receiving that clearance. Clinical trials showed the Moderna vaccine was more than 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in people 18 and older, and the Pfizer vaccine was 95% effective.
Fauci then says the vaccines offer "almost a 100% in protecting you for severe disease."
Fauci knew "FOR SURE"

Clinically recognized disease is any symptoms. At the end of August, 35% of cases in Wake County were vaccinated. Statewide they claim the number is 17-18%... I have no idea how many of those count as 'clinically recognized'.

But I know a crap ton of vaccinated people who have gotten symptomatic COVID and I am watching these numbers creep down and definition of effectiveness oddly change (like the definition of a number of other things during this pandemic).

Like I said... I am great with the fact that the vaccines appear to reduce severe disease... but the initial pitch was 95% symptom free and 100% severe... and that is just not true.

So are we actually holding to the 93% against 'clinically recognized' or has that goalpost moved to 'severe'?
I feel like our society is simply not as healthy as those people that made those figures thought. Then to top that off, with the virus came closed gyms and hiked up unhealthy eating/heavy alcohol drinking. It is proven that people that exercise 3 or more times a week have much better immune systems, so maybe those figures would be closer to those numbers otherwise...also, I dont think 100 percent is a number thrown around loosely in the world of medicine, so you may have seen a number close to that but doubt anyone would be throwing around "100 percent" in any type medicine.

Even with a vaccine, you do have to have a good immune system. (or halfway decent at least lol)


**** that noise, friend. You don't get to play the "well healthy people fair better because they're healthy" when it comes to vaccines. We were told for 12 months that that did not matter with this virus. We were all in it together, remember?

And if the people in the study didn't represent the American populations unhealthy nature, it wasn't much of a study, was it?
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In reply to Everpack • 3:47p, 9/18/21
Everpack said:
MayorStoner said:
Wayland said:
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Fauci goes on to say, "We know for sure it's very, very good, 94%, 95% in protecting you against clinically recognizable disease..."


At the time of the December CNN interview, Pfizer was the only vaccine that had received Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorization, and Moderna's vaccine was just days away from receiving that clearance. Clinical trials showed the Moderna vaccine was more than 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in people 18 and older, and the Pfizer vaccine was 95% effective.
Fauci then says the vaccines offer "almost a 100% in protecting you for severe disease."
Fauci knew "FOR SURE"

Clinically recognized disease is any symptoms. At the end of August, 35% of cases in Wake County were vaccinated. Statewide they claim the number is 17-18%... I have no idea how many of those count as 'clinically recognized'.

But I know a crap ton of vaccinated people who have gotten symptomatic COVID and I am watching these numbers creep down and definition of effectiveness oddly change (like the definition of a number of other things during this pandemic).

Like I said... I am great with the fact that the vaccines appear to reduce severe disease... but the initial pitch was 95% symptom free and 100% severe... and that is just not true.

So are we actually holding to the 93% against 'clinically recognized' or has that goalpost moved to 'severe'?
I feel like our society is simply not as healthy as those people that made those figures thought. Then to top that off, with the virus came closed gyms and hiked up unhealthy eating/heavy alcohol drinking. It is proven that people that exercise 3 or more times a week have much better immune systems, so maybe those figures would be closer to those numbers otherwise...also, I dont think 100 percent is a number thrown around loosely in the world of medicine, so you may have seen a number close to that but doubt anyone would be throwing around "100 percent" in any type medicine.

Even with a vaccine, you do have to have a good immune system. (or halfway decent at least lol)


**** that noise, friend. You don't get to play the "well healthy people fair better because their healthy" when it comes to vaccines. We were told for 12 months that that did not matter with this virus. We were all in it together, remember?

And if the people in the study didn't represent the American populations unhealthy nature, it wasn't much of a study, was it?
Amphibious strikes again under another name...
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In reply to Wayland • 5:20p, 9/18/21
Wayland said:
griff17matt said:
Wayland said:
Wayland said:
sf59 said:
Daviewolf83 said:
PackPA2015 said:
Your weekly update on our hospital system:

295 hospitalized; average age 59
263 unvaccinated; average age 58
32 fully vaccinated; average age 69

61 in ICU; average age 56
57 unvaccinated; average age 55
4 unvaccinated; average age 64

47 on vents; average age 56
43 unvaccinated; average age 55
4 vaccinated; average age 64
PackPA - Thanks for the continued insight. At a high level, this detail does seem to indicate a booster for those aged 65+ may be necessary.
if we follow the science and leave out politics, this is where we should land.

some more pertinent vaccine and booster news hot off the press this evening:

-moderna continues to outperform pfizer and J&J. Over all protection is 93% and remains there for at least 6 months, where as pfizer and J&J sharply drop off after only 4 months. this data is being pulled from the US, and is not reliant on the Israeli data.

-for 65+ and vulnerable, the moderna booster window will be at month 8. the booster will likely be a 50mcg dose, which is a half dose compared to the original shots. this half dose booster pumps immunity 1.7 times above original levels with minimal adverse reactions.

-this evening, an FDA advisory panel did recommend pfizer boosters for vulnerable and 65+, but not for the vaccinated healthy. This is what we have also seen in Moderna data and why many are against any form of mandated boosters. the WH in particular has jumped the gun on pushing universal boosters. its interesting to see who follows science and who ignores it


I live with a just past 4 month 2 dose Moderna vaxed breakthrough symptomatic case, so I have some anecdotal thoughts to where you can put your 93% outperform at 6 months.

Edit: Hotter off the presses


Not saying that it isn't great that vaccines appear to reduce severe illness, and that they shouldn't be heavily recommended.

But they are a big over promise, under deliver in the effectiveness that was originally touted... And saying anything else is just trying to gaslight us.


I don't really get what you're trying to get across here. You do realize that 93% =/= 100%, right? So your anecdotal thought is useless when you're living with someone who is apparently in the 7% instead of the 93%.

I don't remember them overpromising anything either. I always heard that the vaccines were to reduce the severity of infection, not prevent it or eradicate the virus entirely. Have you heard differently from the vaccine manufacturers?
That restrictions are useless at this point.

I am annoyed that we continue to jump through all these hoops that aren't actually doing anything to stop the spread.

We all going to get the 'Ro, eventually.

Vaccines are available to potentially mitigate severe symptoms.

Time to move on with life.


Couldn't agree more. At this point, get the vaccine or don't get the vaccine and make everything normal. This entire situation is feeding the Democrats worst little monster...their need to control through feigned empathy. It is patently absurd at every level and should be rejected at every turn.
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10:48a, 9/19/21
College football will end the Covid fans' reign on freedom.

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In reply to packgrad • 11:20a, 9/19/21
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College football will end the Covid fans' reign on freedom.

Sadly, it doesn't matter what the people want. We don't have representative government (in most places). We have completely rigged "elections", with puppet tyrants in power doing whatever their NWO uber elite masters tell them to do...knowing they will just be re-installed in power in the next rigged election. The 2020 presidential "election" was so clearly fraudulent and rigged. And look at what just happened in California with the recall of Governor Newsom. I didn't follow all the details of the recall, but I heard that even around 40% of Democrats in California wanted to recall him, and yet the "official recall results" are that 64% of the Californians want Newsom to stay? (same % as Biden got vs Trump in California). It's a joke.
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In reply to Wayland • 12:50p, 9/19/21
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Just like the myth of masks actually having an impact on the pandemic. NC's whole 3Ws propaganda bull**** was bad public health messaging. The only message that should have come from NC DHHS was "If you are sick, stay the **** home". That is it....

W -> Wash?? Great advice in general... doesn't move the needle on an aerosolized virus.
W -> Wait 6 feet apart?? This thing is floating through the air. "Wait" your ass at home if you are sick or at risk.
W -> Wear a mask. Please, this is possibly the biggest public health lie of all time. That cloth masks did ANYTHING against the spread of an aerosolized virus is such comedy and so many hubris filled public officials have stuck their necks out on this, they can't walk it back. I am not talking nuanced N95 fitted masks in proper scenarios. I am talking the BS that we have kids walking around with rags on their faces and pretending it is ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING. And this lie has been repeated so many times, it is ****ing Stockholm syndrome out there.




Apparently Gottlieb making the rounds again has some people talking about the nonsense measures we put in place. I feel like I heard this recently somewhere ^

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8:21p, 9/19/21
This Is pretty funny. In uptown CLT today. You have to read the fine print on the truck



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10:00a, 9/20/21
More hypocrisy from the lefties..... you and your ilk should really do some research on "self awareness...." It may make you look a lot less like a nozzle.

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10:15a, 9/20/21
You know what's funny lefties? You NEVER see members of the GOP screaming about "follow the science" only to be caught NOT FOLLOWING their science.

To those of you who support this party that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does the people who talk smack to you. Self awareness isn't part of the ideology of the lefties. FACT.

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In reply to statefan91 • 11:11a, 9/20/21
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Sure.... which one of you are going to let you kids be guinea pigs for a vaccine that has a chance of causing them harm but yet the "virus" is virtually safer than the flu for them?

It's like dumping a bag of skittles in a bowl and knowing that 3 out of 1,000 could harm/kill you. Who's first to try one?
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In reply to BBW12OG • 12:02p, 9/20/21
Well, I was all set to do my own research and talk to my pediatrician but your post has changed my mind. I'm just going to go with fearmongering and not do any of that.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 12:04p, 9/20/21
Hello comrade
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In reply to hokiewolf • 12:15p, 9/20/21
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Well, I was all set to do my own research and talk to my pediatrician but your post has changed my mind. I'm just going to go with fearmongering and not do any of that.
But you and your family have been masked up for years right? This shouldn't have changed your life or the fact that you were ALWAYS wearing masks in public and at home.

Everyone should consult their family doctor and determine what is best for them. Following blindly is very weak and a signature of the left.
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In reply to statefan91 • 12:19p, 9/20/21
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Yay, press releases?

I never noticed before but interesting that the dose for an 11 year and 364 day kid is 10 micrograms, but for a 12 year and 1 day it is 30 micrograms.

Which got me thinking, why is there not an intermediate dose? Why not 10 for under 11? 20 for 12-18? and 30 for > 18?

They say for 'safety and effectiveness for young children', but we don't care about 'safety' in older children? What was the flag that made them 1/3 the dose?

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Side effects were also generally comparable to those of people between the ages of 16 and 25 years old who received the vaccine.

That is such an odd statement? Why did they jump over the 12-15 year olds? Are there different side effects there? Maybe there should be a one dose or lower option for 12-15 but we can't admit it at this point because it would 'look bad'?


Even the ultimate panic porn journalist from the NYT wrote this about the study:
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12:34p, 9/20/21
Pfizer says it's own vaccine is safe? Wow...shocker.

So "safe" that all Big Pharma companies have been given complete liability protection by law from all harm caused by their "vaccines".
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In reply to GuerrillaPack • 12:39p, 9/20/21
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Pfizer says it's own vaccine is safe? Wow...shocker.

So "safe" that all Big Pharma companies have been given complete liability protection by law from all harm caused by their "vaccines".
. They are protected through 2024. But the laws governing that protection were made in 1988 and 2005 and not specifically for the Covid vaccine.
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In reply to statefan91 • 12:52p, 9/20/21
statefan91 said:


https://thepostmillennial.com/pfizer-says-covid-vaccine-safe-for-kids-ages-5-11

" As to efficacy, Pfizer said that there weren't actually enough cases among the tested group to determine how effective the vaccine was against Covid. A spokesperson said they may disclose efficacy from the trial at a later point."

Y'all go first with your babies. Mine will probably sit this one out.

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12:55p, 9/20/21
Once they get children approved they can use that excuse to extend mandates and new lockdowns. Democrat utopia.
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In reply to Everpack • 1:00p, 9/20/21
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statefan91 said:


https://thepostmillennial.com/pfizer-says-covid-vaccine-safe-for-kids-ages-5-11

" As to efficacy, Pfizer said that there weren't actually enough cases among the tested group to determine how effective the vaccine was against Covid. A spokesperson said they may disclose efficacy from the trial at a later point."

Y'all go first with your babies. Mine will probably sit this one out.

Yeah, I've never understood who signs up for pharma trials -- now, make that trials on children, and that really escalates -- who would put their kid out there for a trial?

(except those who have immuno issues and parents have really weighed options)
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1:24p, 9/20/21
FWIW. NC Case trends look good. Everything down etc etc.

Case peak was a month ago, been a lot of back to school and holiday disruption noise since then.

Further we get from the holiday disruption, clearer things will be.



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In reply to Wayland • 1:45p, 9/20/21
So almost identical to the one from last fall, just with a much shorter shoulder, but then a very quick dropoff. Thats interesting to see in graph form like that.

Having said that, it is crazy how many more folks I've known personally who have been impacted, in these last few months as compared to the first 18 months
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In reply to Wayland • 1:47p, 9/20/21
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As I posted last week, the Summer Wave (some call it the 4th wave) has peaked and is more evident from the latest hospitalization data released by NCDHHS last Friday. As you can see from the two graphs below, the logarithmic plot of daily admissions is flat and the end is now starting to show a negative growth. In the second graph, you can see the trend line pointing down now, after being flat for a few days. We are far enough removed from the Labor Day weekend to have seen the effects of the holiday on daily hospital admissions.



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Below are the graphs for vaccinations by age group and the latest hospitalization demographics by age group, using the data released by NCDHHS last Friday (9/17). The third graph shows the percentage of hospitalized Covid patients that are in ICU and it is holding stead at 25%. This percentage has not fluctuate for weeks. The last graph shows the number of Covid patients in the ICU, combined with the number of non-Covid patients in the ICU. As you can see, the number of non-Covid patients in the ICU is starting to increase slightly and the number of Covid patients has started to decrease.











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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 2:02p, 9/20/21
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Below are the graphs for vaccinations by age group and the latest hospitalization demographics by age group, using the data released by NCDHHS last Friday (9/17). The third graph shows the percentage of hospitalized Covid patients that are in ICU and it is holding stead at 25%. This percentage has not fluctuate for weeks. The last graph shows the number of Covid patients in the ICU, combined with the number of non-Covid patients in the ICU. As you can see, the number of non-Covid patients in the ICU is starting to increase slightly and the number of Covid patients has started to decrease.











There is definitely other variables affecting those hospital admissions like capacity or business decisions, that once a COVID bed/ward is designated, it is going to get used to maximum capacity.

Can see it in the CDC data, where at the point in time cases peak the % of beds use flattens out and then you get major spikes in new admits well into the backside (weeks later) of the case curve that causes these plateaus.

Now, again, I have to qualify and defer that the more and higher quality care that is received for all the better.

But there is some business optimization going on.
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So almost identical to the one from last fall, just with a much shorter shoulder, but then a very quick dropoff. Thats interesting to see in graph form like that.

Having said that, it is crazy how many more folks I've known personally who have been impacted, in these last few months as compared to the first 18 months
Two likely reasons. People got tired of sitting at home and staying away from others and the Delta variant infects people more efficiently than previous variants. The fact we have fewer people who were hospitalized during the Summer wave, compared to the Winter Wave, shows immunity works. Immunity from vaccines (the preferred way to get immunity) and immunity from previous infection (a more risky way to get immunity) are the reasons for the lower hospitalizations and deaths for the Summer wave. Hopefully, when the Winter Wave hits in late October, immunity from these two factors will continue to decrease the wave's impact.

Bottom line - the US population needs to begin to accept endemicity.
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2:19p, 9/20/21
Just because this is always good for laughs an Fauci is a clown.

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In reply to Wayland • 2:49p, 9/20/21
Wayland - how is your household holding up? Have you gotten anything worked out with the school system?
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In reply to statefan91 • 2:52p, 9/20/21
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Wayland - how is your household holding up? Have you gotten anything worked out with the school system?
Wife still isolating. Doing better. Still annoyed.

Son is with family. Provided he tests clear tomorrow or Wednesday, he can return to school Thursday.

Thanks for asking!
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In reply to Wayland • 2:55p, 9/20/21
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statefan91 said:
Wayland - how is your household holding up? Have you gotten anything worked out with the school system?
Wife still isolating. Doing better. Still annoyed.

Son is with family. Provided he tests clear tomorrow or Wednesday, he can return to school Thursday.

Thanks for asking!
Glad it got worked out so he didn't have to miss 20+ days.
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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 3:00p, 9/20/21
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Packchem91 said:
So almost identical to the one from last fall, just with a much shorter shoulder, but then a very quick dropoff. Thats interesting to see in graph form like that.

Having said that, it is crazy how many more folks I've known personally who have been impacted, in these last few months as compared to the first 18 months
Two likely reasons. People got tired of sitting at home and staying away from others and the Delta variant infects people more efficiently than previous variants. The fact we have fewer people who were hospitalized during the Summer wave, compared to the Winter Wave, shows immunity works. Immunity from vaccines (the preferred way to get immunity) and immunity from previous infection (a more risky way to get immunity) are the reasons for the lower hospitalizations and deaths for the Summer wave. Hopefully, when the Winter Wave hits in late October, immunity from these two factors will continue to decrease the wave's impact.

Bottom line - the US population needs to begin to accept endemicity.


I wonder if the delay in the summer wave and the widespread immunity pushes the winter surge out later and minimizes the impact? Will be curious to see what happens in the NE in the coming weeks, too.
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3:47p, 9/20/21
WRAL pushing questionable panic porn again. And Tilson from NC DHHS appears unable to objectively do her job.

https://www.wral.com/children-make-up-highest-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-dhhs-says/19885747/





See the dark blue at the top. Those are the pediatric admits. Where are all these emergency pediatric cases? In the ditches and parking lots as they are being turned away in droves?

Or are they coming to use emergency resources for testing or because parents are afraid? They are not using them to actually be admitted?

Highest number of new coronavirus cases? By what definition? Even if you add up all pediatric age groups as defined by reporting, they are fewer than the single age group of 25-49? For the last week of reported demographics.



Also note, while the percentile of the overall cases may be creeping up in the under 18s.... the actually RAW number of cases is decreasing.

All this information is available on the dashboard? Why is Tilson misrepresenting it, and why is WRAL not calling her on it?






Really. For the 7 days ending 9/13 NC DHHS shows 57 pediatric admits WITH COVID. For the 7 days ending 9/6 NC DHHS showed 53 pediatric admits WITH COVID.

And funny that HHS COVID-19 Reported Patient Impact and Hospital Capacity by State Timeseries showed while elevated pediatric hospitalizations WITH COVID peaked 2 weeks ago.



Why can't NC DHHS not lie and just say that things are remain elevated and concerning but may be decreasing. Things did rise quickly, but we are past peak and decreasing.



This is the problem. Public health is spinning a tale, instead of telling plain truth, even when serious.

It is all narrative for narrative sake, not black and white numbers. This is why there is no trust.
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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 3:58p, 9/20/21
Daviewolf83 said:
Packchem91 said:
So almost identical to the one from last fall, just with a much shorter shoulder, but then a very quick dropoff. Thats interesting to see in graph form like that.

Having said that, it is crazy how many more folks I've known personally who have been impacted, in these last few months as compared to the first 18 months
Two likely reasons. People got tired of sitting at home and staying away from others and the Delta variant infects people more efficiently than previous variants. The fact we have fewer people who were hospitalized during the Summer wave, compared to the Winter Wave, shows immunity works. Immunity from vaccines (the preferred way to get immunity) and immunity from previous infection (a more risky way to get immunity) are the reasons for the lower hospitalizations and deaths for the Summer wave. Hopefully, when the Winter Wave hits in late October, immunity from these two factors will continue to decrease the wave's impact.

Bottom line - the US population needs to begin to accept endemicity.


I agree with you on the reasoning of being more active - at all age groups. Schools / teachers are in, old people are out doing things again, people are having get togetherness.
Makes sense.

And I learned another new word on here: endemicity.
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In reply to Wayland • 4:15p, 9/20/21
Wayland said:
WRAL pushing questionable panic porn again. And Tilson from NC DHHS appears unable to objectively do her job.

https://www.wral.com/children-make-up-highest-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-dhhs-says/19885747/





See the dark blue at the top. Those are the pediatric admits. Where are all these emergency pediatric cases? In the ditches and parking lots as they are being turned away in droves?

Or are they coming to use emergency resources for testing or because parents are afraid? They are not using them to actually be admitted?

Highest number of new coronavirus cases? By what definition? Even if you add up all pediatric age groups as defined by reporting, they are fewer than the single age group of 25-49? For the last week of reported demographics.



Also note, while the percentile of the overall cases may be creeping up in the under 18s.... the actually RAW number of cases is decreasing.

All this information is available on the dashboard? Why is Tilson misrepresenting it, and why is WRAL not calling her on it?






Really. For the 7 days ending 9/13 NC DHHS shows 57 pediatric admits WITH COVID. For the 7 days ending 9/6 NC DHHS showed 53 pediatric admits WITH COVID.

And funny that HHS COVID-19 Reported Patient Impact and Hospital Capacity by State Timeseries showed while elevated pediatric hospitalizations WITH COVID peaked 2 weeks ago.



Why can't NC DHHS not lie and just say that things are remain elevated and concerning but may be decreasing. Things did rise quickly, but we are past peak and decreasing.



This is the problem. Public health is spinning a tale, instead of telling plain truth, even when serious.

It is all narrative for narrative sake, not black and white numbers. This is why there is no trust.
So I watched the news clip and they had a segment from Tilson's meeting.

"Children under 18 are also the largest age group of patients seeking emergency treatment for coronavirus, officials said."

That is absolutely NOT what Tilson said, she did claim they had the highest percent of ED visits (I assume within an age range) for "COVID LIKE ILLNESS"

CLI IS NOT CORONAVIRUS.

We just went through a MASSIVE RSV spike..... maybe... just maybe it was RSV that is COVID LIKE..... NOT COVID.

Because when we look at the % age breakdown for ED visits with ACTUAL DIAGNOSED COVID. Those percentages don't quite play out the same.



Sorry for ranting. But I HATE HATE HATE when public health and then media can't convey information and data correctly.

It isn't that hard at all. All the information is there.... why do they even bother to spew nonsense data when they can't do so with proper context.
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WRAL pushing questionable panic porn again. And Tilson from NC DHHS appears unable to objectively do her job.

https://www.wral.com/children-make-up-highest-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-dhhs-says/19885747/





See the dark blue at the top. Those are the pediatric admits. Where are all these emergency pediatric cases? In the ditches and parking lots as they are being turned away in droves?

Or are they coming to use emergency resources for testing or because parents are afraid? They are not using them to actually be admitted?

Highest number of new coronavirus cases? By what definition? Even if you add up all pediatric age groups as defined by reporting, they are fewer than the single age group of 25-49? For the last week of reported demographics.



Also note, while the percentile of the overall cases may be creeping up in the under 18s.... the actually RAW number of cases is decreasing.

All this information is available on the dashboard? Why is Tilson misrepresenting it, and why is WRAL not calling her on it?






Really. For the 7 days ending 9/13 NC DHHS shows 57 pediatric admits WITH COVID. For the 7 days ending 9/6 NC DHHS showed 53 pediatric admits WITH COVID.

And funny that HHS COVID-19 Reported Patient Impact and Hospital Capacity by State Timeseries showed while elevated pediatric hospitalizations WITH COVID peaked 2 weeks ago.



Why can't NC DHHS not lie and just say that things are remain elevated and concerning but may be decreasing. Things did rise quickly, but we are past peak and decreasing.



This is the problem. Public health is spinning a tale, instead of telling plain truth, even when serious.

It is all narrative for narrative sake, not black and white numbers. This is why there is no trust.
So I watched the news clip and they had a segment from Tilson's meeting.

"Children under 18 are also the largest age group of patients seeking emergency treatment for coronavirus, officials said."

That is absolutely NOT what Tilson said, she did claim they had the highest percent of ED visits (I assume within an age range) for "COVID LIKE ILLNESS"

CLI IS NOT CORONAVIRUS.

We just went through a MASSIVE RSV spike..... maybe... just maybe it was RSV that is COVID LIKE..... NOT COVID.

Because when we look at the % age breakdown for ED visits with ACTUAL DIAGNOSED COVID. Those percentages don't quite play out the same.



Sorry for ranting. But I HATE HATE HATE when public health and then media can't convey information and data correctly.

It isn't that hard at all. All the information is there.... why do they even bother to spew nonsense data when they can't do so with proper context.
Best thing anyone can do is to ignore anything coming from the local media - WRAL/WTVD/N&O/etc. They have been wrong & late in every circumstance.

Do yourselves a favor & cut the cord!
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