This is what the face of evil looks like.
— Arbiter of Bias (@Arbiter_of_Bias) February 2, 2022
Grooming special needs toddlers to mask forever. https://t.co/Aq2aQtmGxe
This is what the face of evil looks like.
— Arbiter of Bias (@Arbiter_of_Bias) February 2, 2022
Grooming special needs toddlers to mask forever. https://t.co/Aq2aQtmGxe
I mean if this is only for special needs children that age, isn't that discriminatory?packgrad said:
It's a religion/cult. That's not even debatable at this point.
They have totally lost the plot and until every one of these clowns is voted out of office, it will continue. Mask wearing for kids is NOT normal and does not need to be "normalized." His comments to the Wake school board make it clear they do not intend for masks to go away. Masking was intended to be TEMPORARY until we had vaccines and treatments. We have these now and masks should go away. Add to this the fact that we have known for almost TWO years that kids are NOT vectors of transmission, but here we are - treating them like vectors of transmission. This is absolute and total EVIL and people who support this draconian approach are EVIL.Wayland said:This is what the face of evil looks like.
— Arbiter of Bias (@Arbiter_of_Bias) February 2, 2022
Grooming special needs toddlers to mask forever. https://t.co/Aq2aQtmGxe
The road to hell is really paved with good intentions. I'm sure these folks think they have everyone's best interest in mind, but in reality they've crossed that line into trying to control the population instead of letting everyone have free will.packgrad said:
It's a religion/cult. That's not even debatable at this point.
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Denmark has lifted all of its domestic Covid-19 restrictions, including the wearing of face masks, making it the first European Union country to do so.
Nightclubs have reopened, late-night alcohol sales have resumed, and the Danish coronavirus app is no longer needed to enter venues.
While cases are still relatively high, the authorities say the virus no longer qualifies as a "critical threat".
That is due to the country's high vaccination rate, experts say.
More than 80% of the population over the age of five have had two vaccinations and over 60% have been given a third booster dose.
"With Omicron not being a severe disease for the vaccinated, we believe it is reasonable to lift restrictions," epidemiologist Lone Simonsen of the University of Roskilde told the AFP news agency.
From Tuesday, masks are no longer required in shops, restaurants, and on public transport. Limits on the number of people allowed at indoor gatherings and social distancing measures also come to an end.
The national Covid pass app is no longer required - although individual event organisers can still choose to make it a condition of entry.
I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.Civilized said:
Denmark Covid restrictions lifted despite increase in cases
Apologies if this has been posted.
Interesting that the pendulum swung so far and fast in Denmark. They were locked down much more than the US until recently. Restaurant and bar restrictions, vaccine passports, gathering size restrictions, mask mandates, etc.
What's the over/under on how long it takes the US to get to where Denmark is WRT COVID restrictions?Quote:
Denmark has lifted all of its domestic Covid-19 restrictions, including the wearing of face masks, making it the first European Union country to do so.
Nightclubs have reopened, late-night alcohol sales have resumed, and the Danish coronavirus app is no longer needed to enter venues.
While cases are still relatively high, the authorities say the virus no longer qualifies as a "critical threat".
That is due to the country's high vaccination rate, experts say.
More than 80% of the population over the age of five have had two vaccinations and over 60% have been given a third booster dose.
"With Omicron not being a severe disease for the vaccinated, we believe it is reasonable to lift restrictions," epidemiologist Lone Simonsen of the University of Roskilde told the AFP news agency.
From Tuesday, masks are no longer required in shops, restaurants, and on public transport. Limits on the number of people allowed at indoor gatherings and social distancing measures also come to an end.
The national Covid pass app is no longer required - although individual event organisers can still choose to make it a condition of entry.
I agree. It will be a long time until you see the tide turn in the US. I am still not optimistic about schools getting back to normal anytime soon. I had a brief Twitter exchange this morning with a zero-Covid, pro-child masker this morning (let's call her Karen). Karen referred to me and people like me who want to end mandatory mask mandates in schools as a "death culter." She went on to post graphics insinuating I am only opposed to masks due to my being a right wing/pro-Trump supporter. This is what they do went they are losing an argument. They resort to trying to paint people with a broad brush and you do not agree with their radical view, you must be a right-wing looney. They also went on to claim that people who do not wear masks are causing the virus to mutate. I ended the argument with the following:Wayland said:I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.Civilized said:
Denmark Covid restrictions lifted despite increase in cases
Apologies if this has been posted.
Interesting that the pendulum swung so far and fast in Denmark. They were locked down much more than the US until recently. Restaurant and bar restrictions, vaccine passports, gathering size restrictions, mask mandates, etc.
What's the over/under on how long it takes the US to get to where Denmark is WRT COVID restrictions?Quote:
Denmark has lifted all of its domestic Covid-19 restrictions, including the wearing of face masks, making it the first European Union country to do so.
Nightclubs have reopened, late-night alcohol sales have resumed, and the Danish coronavirus app is no longer needed to enter venues.
While cases are still relatively high, the authorities say the virus no longer qualifies as a "critical threat".
That is due to the country's high vaccination rate, experts say.
More than 80% of the population over the age of five have had two vaccinations and over 60% have been given a third booster dose.
"With Omicron not being a severe disease for the vaccinated, we believe it is reasonable to lift restrictions," epidemiologist Lone Simonsen of the University of Roskilde told the AFP news agency.
From Tuesday, masks are no longer required in shops, restaurants, and on public transport. Limits on the number of people allowed at indoor gatherings and social distancing measures also come to an end.
The national Covid pass app is no longer required - although individual event organisers can still choose to make it a condition of entry.
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Dr. Michael Riccobene: "I think every parent and adult should have the right to choose whether or not they receive the COVID vaccine. I do not think it's in the best interests of the public to take away that right."
Riccobene: “I have chosen not to vaccinate my children. I think every parent and adult should have the right to choose whether or not they receive the COVID vaccine. I do not think it is in the best interest of the public to take away that right.”https://t.co/kw4J2OV0Et #nced
— A.P. Dillon (@APDillon_) February 2, 2022
Add Israel to the list.Civilized said:
Denmark Covid restrictions lifted despite increase in cases
Apologies if this has been posted.
Interesting that the pendulum swung so far and fast in Denmark. They were locked down much more than the US until recently. Restaurant and bar restrictions, vaccine passports, gathering size restrictions, mask mandates, etc.
What's the over/under on how long it takes the US to get to where Denmark is WRT COVID restrictions?Quote:
Denmark has lifted all of its domestic Covid-19 restrictions, including the wearing of face masks, making it the first European Union country to do so.
Nightclubs have reopened, late-night alcohol sales have resumed, and the Danish coronavirus app is no longer needed to enter venues.
While cases are still relatively high, the authorities say the virus no longer qualifies as a "critical threat".
That is due to the country's high vaccination rate, experts say.
More than 80% of the population over the age of five have had two vaccinations and over 60% have been given a third booster dose.
"With Omicron not being a severe disease for the vaccinated, we believe it is reasonable to lift restrictions," epidemiologist Lone Simonsen of the University of Roskilde told the AFP news agency.
From Tuesday, masks are no longer required in shops, restaurants, and on public transport. Limits on the number of people allowed at indoor gatherings and social distancing measures also come to an end.
The national Covid pass app is no longer required - although individual event organisers can still choose to make it a condition of entry.
Israel joins Scandinavia and will be ending most COVID law. Israel will abolish the vaxx passport and most testing requirements.https://t.co/pZ2u7IWcaW
— Aaron Ginn (@aginnt) February 2, 2022
Everpack said:
So a friend of mine had some cold symptoms over the weekend and decided to take an at home test, just for ****s and giggles. Result was an immediate positive. Symptoms started as a scratchy throat and minor congestion Friday morning, with a low grade fever Friday night, then just minor fatigue, runny nose and sneezing on Saturday and Sunday. All symptoms gone on Monday morning.
We rode in my truck together for almost four hours Friday morning. I had a minor headache Monday, but not sure if it was viral related or too many IPA's on Sunday evening. No one else in his family of five have shown any symptoms, either. At least my 8 and 13 year olds had their masks on Monday morning for school, though!
statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Wayland said:
I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.
I agree they are the minority, especially at this point. Many have been afraid to talk out against them for risk of being labelled (as Davie's interaction demonstrates). That minority quickly labels dissenters as racist anti-science... when the opposite is true.Civilized said:Wayland said:
I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.
I feel like you're right. The makeup of America is different.
But the restriction zealots obviously aren't on the right. And some proportion of the left aren't zealots either. Zealots are a vocal, shrinking minority.
Omicron case counts are already down to half of the peak in the US and declining exponentially. Barring a surprisingly severe variant after Omicron, by this summer people are going to look ridiculous talking about maintaining restrictions in the midst of low, mild case levels.
Plus like packgrad said you'll have the compounding effect of this being an election year, and maintaining what will then be broadly unpopular mitigations will be electorally disadvantageous.
My over/under for lifting of all meaningful restrictions is May 1.
Exactly. They they are leading many of the top universities. For example, my son (along with all of his entire school) is fully vaccinated AND boosted. He and his fellow students had to do this to say enrolled. What is life like for them?Wayland said:I agree they are the minority, especially at this point. Many have been afraid to talk out against them for risk of being labelled (as Davie's interaction demonstrates). That minority quickly labels dissenters as racist anti-science... when the opposite is true.Civilized said:Wayland said:
I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.
I feel like you're right. The makeup of America is different.
But the restriction zealots obviously aren't on the right. And some proportion of the left aren't zealots either. Zealots are a vocal, shrinking minority.
Omicron case counts are already down to half of the peak in the US and declining exponentially. Barring a surprisingly severe variant after Omicron, by this summer people are going to look ridiculous talking about maintaining restrictions in the midst of low, mild case levels.
Plus like packgrad said you'll have the compounding effect of this being an election year, and maintaining what will then be broadly unpopular mitigations will be electorally disadvantageous.
My over/under for lifting of all meaningful restrictions is May 1.
But that minority also occupy the ivory tower and set the national policy framework.
It is going to take full on and broad local pushback to break that.
Daviewolf83 said:Exactly. They they are leading many of the top universities. For example, my son (along with all of his entire school) is fully vaccinated AND boosted. He and his fellow students had to do this to say enrolled. What is life like for them?Wayland said:I agree they are the minority, especially at this point. Many have been afraid to talk out against them for risk of being labelled (as Davie's interaction demonstrates). That minority quickly labels dissenters as racist anti-science... when the opposite is true.Civilized said:Wayland said:
I feel like the U.S. has the highest number of zealots. And given the restrictions in the U.S. are tied the most with politics and the new Covidian religion, I think it will be tough to get those people off the ledge.
I feel like you're right. The makeup of America is different.
But the restriction zealots obviously aren't on the right. And some proportion of the left aren't zealots either. Zealots are a vocal, shrinking minority.
Omicron case counts are already down to half of the peak in the US and declining exponentially. Barring a surprisingly severe variant after Omicron, by this summer people are going to look ridiculous talking about maintaining restrictions in the midst of low, mild case levels.
Plus like packgrad said you'll have the compounding effect of this being an election year, and maintaining what will then be broadly unpopular mitigations will be electorally disadvantageous.
My over/under for lifting of all meaningful restrictions is May 1.
But that minority also occupy the ivory tower and set the national policy framework.
It is going to take full on and broad local pushback to break that.
- Wear masks for all indoor functions - classes, group meetings, etc.
- Wear masks in their dining hall when not actively eating. My son told me last weekend that he has quit going to the dining hall (he lives off campus and his grad school classes are all online due to it being a national program), due specifically to the restrictions.
- Wear a mask when weightlifting and conditioning. This is a new rule handed down by the school's administration in the last two weeks. So, they are requiring healthy athletes who are fully vaccinated and boosted to wear a mask to weightlift and condition. It is no longer about science - it is a cult. By the way, they start their "mat drills" this coming week and have to wear a mask during the vomit sessions.
You said you hung out in a car for 4 hours with someone that tested positive basically after been around and you had a minor symptom a couple days later. Yes, in that scenario you should probably test.Everpack said:statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Why in the hell would I test myself?
Ending broad testing is the only way this ends. Think about my friend in this case. If he went out and took a formal test at a testing facility and it came back positive, he's out of work for what, 10 days? His wife is out of work for 10 days. And his son has to do his "remote" school work for 10 days. And his preschooler can't go to her preschool, either. And what if I got dinged for a close contact? Do I have to get tested then? What if I test positive and am asymptomatic? Then my wife and kids have to test or miss work and school? What about the family birthday gathering we had Sunday with family. Do all those folks have to be tested and quarantine?
And for what? Because one person had a minor three day cold? Absurd! Testing is the only way this ridiculous "pandemic" is perpetuated (and masks). The only time anyone should be tested is if they need medical attention, so the doctor can properly treat.
statefan91 said:You said you hung out in a car for 4 hours with someone that tested positive basically after been around and you had a minor symptom a couple days later. Yes, in that scenario you should probably test.Everpack said:statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Why in the hell would I test myself?
Ending broad testing is the only way this ends. Think about my friend in this case. If he went out and took a formal test at a testing facility and it came back positive, he's out of work for what, 10 days? His wife is out of work for 10 days. And his son has to do his "remote" school work for 10 days. And his preschooler can't go to her preschool, either. And what if I got dinged for a close contact? Do I have to get tested then? What if I test positive and am asymptomatic? Then my wife and kids have to test or miss work and school? What about the family birthday gathering we had Sunday with family. Do all those folks have to be tested and quarantine?
And for what? Because one person had a minor three day cold? Absurd! Testing is the only way this ridiculous "pandemic" is perpetuated (and masks). The only time anyone should be tested is if they need medical attention, so the doctor can properly treat.
Thinking you "should" test because you had a headache is exactly the mindset that keeps restrictions in place. No you "should" not test if you don't want to. Especially for a ****ing headache after drinking the night before.Everpack said:statefan91 said:You said you hung out in a car for 4 hours with someone that tested positive basically after been around and you had a minor symptom a couple days later. Yes, in that scenario you should probably test.Everpack said:statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Why in the hell would I test myself?
Ending broad testing is the only way this ends. Think about my friend in this case. If he went out and took a formal test at a testing facility and it came back positive, he's out of work for what, 10 days? His wife is out of work for 10 days. And his son has to do his "remote" school work for 10 days. And his preschooler can't go to her preschool, either. And what if I got dinged for a close contact? Do I have to get tested then? What if I test positive and am asymptomatic? Then my wife and kids have to test or miss work and school? What about the family birthday gathering we had Sunday with family. Do all those folks have to be tested and quarantine?
And for what? Because one person had a minor three day cold? Absurd! Testing is the only way this ridiculous "pandemic" is perpetuated (and masks). The only time anyone should be tested is if they need medical attention, so the doctor can properly treat.
We didn't hang out, we rode together in a truck for four straight hours with the windows up. I had a minor headache that may or may not have been because of my contact with him. Answer me this; what is your reasoning for me getting tested and what would have been the benefit?
Everpack said:statefan91 said:You said you hung out in a car for 4 hours with someone that tested positive basically after been around and you had a minor symptom a couple days later. Yes, in that scenario you should probably test.Everpack said:statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Why in the hell would I test myself?
Ending broad testing is the only way this ends. Think about my friend in this case. If he went out and took a formal test at a testing facility and it came back positive, he's out of work for what, 10 days? His wife is out of work for 10 days. And his son has to do his "remote" school work for 10 days. And his preschooler can't go to her preschool, either. And what if I got dinged for a close contact? Do I have to get tested then? What if I test positive and am asymptomatic? Then my wife and kids have to test or miss work and school? What about the family birthday gathering we had Sunday with family. Do all those folks have to be tested and quarantine?
And for what? Because one person had a minor three day cold? Absurd! Testing is the only way this ridiculous "pandemic" is perpetuated (and masks). The only time anyone should be tested is if they need medical attention, so the doctor can properly treat.
We didn't hang out, we rode together in a truck for four straight hours with the windows up. I had a minor headache that may or may not have been because of my contact with him. Answer me this; what is your reasoning for me getting tested and what would have been the benefit?
Civilized said:Everpack said:statefan91 said:You said you hung out in a car for 4 hours with someone that tested positive basically after been around and you had a minor symptom a couple days later. Yes, in that scenario you should probably test.Everpack said:statefan91 said:
Have you tested yourself?
Why in the hell would I test myself?
Ending broad testing is the only way this ends. Think about my friend in this case. If he went out and took a formal test at a testing facility and it came back positive, he's out of work for what, 10 days? His wife is out of work for 10 days. And his son has to do his "remote" school work for 10 days. And his preschooler can't go to her preschool, either. And what if I got dinged for a close contact? Do I have to get tested then? What if I test positive and am asymptomatic? Then my wife and kids have to test or miss work and school? What about the family birthday gathering we had Sunday with family. Do all those folks have to be tested and quarantine?
And for what? Because one person had a minor three day cold? Absurd! Testing is the only way this ridiculous "pandemic" is perpetuated (and masks). The only time anyone should be tested is if they need medical attention, so the doctor can properly treat.
We didn't hang out, we rode together in a truck for four straight hours with the windows up. I had a minor headache that may or may not have been because of my contact with him. Answer me this; what is your reasoning for me getting tested and what would have been the benefit?
Would you modify your behavior at all if you knew you were positive?
ICYMI: Today, Sweden and Switzerland announced they are joining Norway, Finland, Ireland, Denmark, and the UK in ending all Covid restrictions.
— Election Wizard 🏁 (@ElectionWiz) February 2, 2022
Great post!!!Daviewolf83 said:
Include Israel and you can see the US will continue to be an outlier among Western nations with their current Covid restrictions. In the US, we are staring at a crisis of conformity. Smart people are speaking out and are being ignored by the ruling elites. What will it take to reverse course in America? I am of the opinion that the leadership will not come from the medical community. Many of them are trying and are being ignored. It will have to come from the ballot box and elections in November.ICYMI: Today, Sweden and Switzerland announced they are joining Norway, Finland, Ireland, Denmark, and the UK in ending all Covid restrictions.
— Election Wizard 🏁 (@ElectionWiz) February 2, 2022
Until we stop focusing on breakthrough cases that feed the zero-Covid and long-Covid zealots, we will be stuck in this state of vaccine mandates, passports, and masks on kids. As you can see from the NY Times poll results below, vaccinated and boosted people have an unreasonable fear of Covid infection. This is due to the focus MSM and healthcare leaders have put on breakthrough cases and the constant state of emergency. Instead of messaging the positive ability of the vaccines to decrease case severity, we have a constant barrage of nightly stories on how bad things are for even those who are vaccinated. The CDC has been horrible with their messaging. They have community spread metrics that are two years old - developed when the world was very different. To them, it is still 2020 and the have not done enough to tell people it is better now. Other Western nations get it, but not the US.