tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Going to use Shaffner again

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Coaching malpractice. 3 times in a series. What the heck are they doing…

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He threw 26 & 6 pitches in the two appearances. That's how a lot of teams use their bullpen. Certainly not malpractice….

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Not a single MLB team would throw a reliever 3 days in a row. Not a single one. Especially in the weather you saw this weekend in Pitt. It was a puzzling decision and needs to be criticized. It was malpractice

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/32680/year/2024/category/pitching

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/4187661/year/2024/category/pitching

There's more examples by the way. And this is exactly how UNC, Duke, etc use their bullpens.

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McFarland never pitched 3 days in a row and it was playoffs in the other scenario. Not even remotely comparable. UNC and Duke don't use their bullpen arms 3 days in a row. Nobody does. Because it's bad coaching and not effective.

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We can agree to disagree here. Every arm is different. When I played, my arm was hardly ever sore. Some guys are sore after 25 pitches and need several days to feel good again. It's not preparation or lack of conditioning - just every arm seems to be different. If he said he felt good - and he has shown that kind of rubber arm - I'm not against it. He was 95 mph today - so I'm guessing he's a guy who bounces back quick.

Look at Nance throwing 67 midweek then throwing great on Saturday. Then you take a guy like Lucas, who I assume takes more days to feel good as we haven't seen him the last two weekends after what I'd consider rather light midweek appearances.

Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Going to use Shaffner again

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Coaching malpractice. 3 times in a series. What the heck are they doing…

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He threw 26 & 6 pitches in the two appearances. That's how a lot of teams use their bullpen. Certainly not malpractice….

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There are a lot of getting ready pitches that go into it also. I don't love 3 days in a row but it was pretty minimal yesterday.

Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Going to use Shaffner again

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Coaching malpractice. 3 times in a series. What the heck are they doing…

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He threw 26 & 6 pitches in the two appearances. That's how a lot of teams use their bullpen. Certainly not malpractice….

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Not a single MLB team would throw a reliever 3 days in a row. Not a single one. Especially in the weather you saw this weekend in Pitt. It was a puzzling decision and needs to be criticized. It was malpractice

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/32680/year/2024/category/pitching

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/4187661/year/2024/category/pitching

There's more examples by the way. And this is exactly how UNC, Duke, etc use their bullpens.

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McFarland never pitched 3 days in a row and it was playoffs in the other scenario. Not even remotely comparable. UNC and Duke don't use their bullpen arms 3 days in a row. Nobody does. Because it's bad coaching and not effective.

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Well Oakland certainly didn't play in the postseason and there's at least 3 different stretches where he pitched 3 in a row.

And UNC especially uses guys 3 days in a row lol. Dalton Pence pitched in like 70% of their games

It's really not that big of a deal. Especially considering the pitch counts…

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I don't think you can say it isn't a big deal. I am not saying it was malpractice or anything and it will probably be a one off but there is a lot of malpractice in college baseball.

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Going to use Shaffner again

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Coaching malpractice. 3 times in a series. What the heck are they doing…

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He threw 26 & 6 pitches in the two appearances. That's how a lot of teams use their bullpen. Certainly not malpractice….

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Not a single MLB team would throw a reliever 3 days in a row. Not a single one. Especially in the weather you saw this weekend in Pitt. It was a puzzling decision and needs to be criticized. It was malpractice

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/32680/year/2024/category/pitching

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/4187661/year/2024/category/pitching

There's more examples by the way. And this is exactly how UNC, Duke, etc use their bullpens.

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McFarland never pitched 3 days in a row and it was playoffs in the other scenario. Not even remotely comparable. UNC and Duke don't use their bullpen arms 3 days in a row. Nobody does. Because it's bad coaching and not effective.

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We can agree to disagree here. Every arm is different. When I played, my arm was hardly ever sore. Some guys are sore after 25 pitches and need several days to feel good again. It's not preparation or lack of conditioning - just every arm seems to be different. If he said he felt good - and he has shown that kind of rubber arm - I'm not against it. He was 95 mph today - so I'm guessing he's a guy who bounces back quick.

Look at Nance throwing 67 midweek then throwing great on Saturday. Then you take a guy like Lucas, who I assume takes more days to feel good as we haven't seen him the last two weekends after what I'd consider rather light midweek appearances.

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It isn't just about how well you throw. It is also about the health of the arm. Why do you think there are so many arm issues these days. It is overuse mostly at the youth level but nonetheless overuse.

A shout-out to Tony Haynes for calling all three games of this series for Wolfpack Radio despite working outside during some cold weather in Pittsburgh this weekend. pic.twitter.com/L0nHxOq8Kh

— Rob McLamb (@RobMcLamb) March 23, 2025

Final. Due to a 4:00 drop-dead time on a travel day, the game ends in the eighth. pic.twitter.com/npiqxJdwJX

— #Pack9 ⚾️ (@NCStateBaseball) March 23, 2025

Unfortunately there will be no postgame video/comments on Inside Pack Sports as NC State has to rush to the airport for its 6:30 flight home.

The Wolfpack is now 17-7 overall, 4-2 in ACC play and returns to action on Tuesday at home against USC Upstate (6pm). https://t.co/fyxcU5XxmE

— Rob McLamb (@RobMcLamb) March 23, 2025

Thought we'd have a big advantage with pitching on Sundays but that doesn't seem to be the case so far in the ACC

Just would've liked to have swept these two lower half teams

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Just would've liked to have swept these two lower half teams

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And as I say that I see VT won the series against UofL

FlockaWolf said:

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Thought we'd have a big advantage with pitching on Sundays but that doesn't seem to be the case so far in the ACC

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I'd say pitching was plenty good enough. Hitting sucked pretty bad today and was t great all weekend. Gonna have to score more runs next weekend to beat Duke.

Yeah I guess I'm still stuck on last "sundays" game since I went to it lol

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Thought we'd have a big advantage with pitching on Sundays but that doesn't seem to be the case so far in the ACC

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The hitting was the issue today, but Marohn hasn't been good this year vs good competition either.

Against Coastal, VT, Pitt-

13 innings. 12 ER. 8 walks. 2 HBP.

Against Fordham, Canisus, Wright State?

21 innings. 0 ER. 1 walk.

Hopefully he steps it up, because even though pitching didn't lose us the game today, Marohn wasn't sharp, and hasn't been vs solid offenses. Both can be true.

Alex Gee said:

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In fairness that Costal line is pretty misleading. He was strong in that one and when pulled Dudan couldn't throw a strike so ended up with 2 more earned. I think he's had one bad start and that was VT.

Today wasn't super sharp no doubt, but I'm taking 3 through 5+ on a Sunday every week. Problem is that there's only been one guy that can consistently erase existing trouble when he comes in to pitch. Bigger problem being that allowing 3 lead to high stress innings against this Pitt team.

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Oh 100% box scores lie but IIRC he lead off his last inning vs Coastal with a walk. Those seem to always bite you. Of course, if Dudan is Dudan, he could get out of it, but he didn't.

And yup, you take 3 through 5 innings every time, no doubt. But it wasn't an effective 5 innings (114 pitches with walks) and I just think when we play better offenses, today would look a little bit different numbers wise.

I haven't been able to watch a ton of these 2 weekend series', but it def feels like we have left something on the table with these Sunday opportunities to sweep 2 of the lesser teams in the league. When you consider we have Marohn plus in a pretty good spot (I know last weekend and I think yesterday) with the bullpen, you would sure hope to close out the series sweep in those spots. But, a disastrous pitching performance last sunday and a lack of offense this sunday feels like it leaves a couple of Ws out there that we might need later on.

Alex Gee said:

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Yeah it was walk and then his error on a bunt. Kinda like today where he maybe could've rolled a double play but missed the throw to 2nd.

And I agree he can be better, I just like that nothing seems to phase him and he can grind through some stuff. Especially as your #3

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Yep he's been a great #3 and in tough weather grinder through it today. As most everyone has said have to hit better against Pitts #3 and bullpen

Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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tau06 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Going to use Shaffner again

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Coaching malpractice. 3 times in a series. What the heck are they doing…

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He threw 26 & 6 pitches in the two appearances. That's how a lot of teams use their bullpen. Certainly not malpractice….

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Not a single MLB team would throw a reliever 3 days in a row. Not a single one. Especially in the weather you saw this weekend in Pitt. It was a puzzling decision and needs to be criticized. It was malpractice

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/32680/year/2024/category/pitching

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/4187661/year/2024/category/pitching

There's more examples by the way. And this is exactly how UNC, Duke, etc use their bullpens.

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McFarland never pitched 3 days in a row and it was playoffs in the other scenario. Not even remotely comparable. UNC and Duke don't use their bullpen arms 3 days in a row. Nobody does. Because it's bad coaching and not effective.

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Well Oakland certainly didn't play in the postseason and there's at least 3 different stretches where he pitched 3 in a row.

And UNC especially uses guys 3 days in a row lol. Dalton Pence pitched in like 70% of their games

It's really not that big of a deal. Especially considering the pitch counts…

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Don't see any 3 games in 3 day stretches (which is pretty clearly the point I'm making…). We can agree to disagree. Pretty obvious with the results it was a bad idea and game plan. We had better options given his usage earlier in the weekend.

"It was miserable weather," said head coach Elliott Avent. "I think we saw snow. I think we saw hail, and we saw wind like you wouldn't believe. And it was miserable. But the worst part is you've got a game that's got to end because we have a 6:30 flight, so the game's got to end one inning short in a conference game, which it's ridiculous. That's not even baseball. I'm embarrassed that we have to do stuff like that in this league. This league should not have stuff like that happen. It's embarrassing."

Avent said the Pittsburgh trip also imposed logistical challenges for the team.

"Then we gotta fly to Baltimore, sit there for two or three hours and get on once again at about midnight or so, and these guys got to go to class and then play a Tuesday game," Avent said. "I would like to see the program get in a better situation where we're not doing stuff like this."

https://www.technicianonline.com/sports/nc-state-baseball-falls-flat-in-midweek-matchup-in-15-5-loss-to-usc-upstate/article_760e4912-5008-4029-b0d1-4a8f0ad5d8b3.html