matracey said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Tittles?

My favorite.

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Well you know judge success as you see it and others get that privilege too. Without being mocked or scorned.
That's wise for either side of this coin.

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Yep. It's all about those tittles.

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Avent's two trips to Omaha would have made a nice pair of tittles

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matracey said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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wolf howl said:

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So does he just ride it out until he's ready to retire? He's been here a long time so making a couple of CWS is great but zero titles in the ACC is not. That's a really long time to not win anything of significance. We do well against the bottom of the conference and not so great against the top. Longevity isn't necessarily a winning formula for success.

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Can we start a tally for ummm....let's just say, posts of this variety?

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I know it's crazy talk to expect a championship from a coach who's been here a quarter century especially given the talent some of those teams have had.

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Did you even read Rob's response to what you said? IMO (and lots of people actually knowledgeable about college baseball) winning a super regional is a bigger accomplishment than the ACCT, especially in its current format. Would you trade one of the supers for an ACCT Championship?

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Yes I would trade a super for the ACC Championship, easily. We've not won a championship in a major men's sport in decades. I don't mind to be in the minority for not caring we were one of the final 8 teams in a particular season if we can't win championships either at the conference or national level.

I do appreciate Avent's time with the program but we're not trending in the right direction currently.

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I would not, and it makes no sense to do so in my mind. No one in Virginia is worried about the Cavaliers not winning an ACC title in several years because they have been to the CWS several times since. To be fair, NC State's league title drought is longer, but their lineage is not elite so it goes lock-step with what has happened over the years.

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It's fine to value things differently. NCSU as an institution NEEDS desperately to win any conference title in a major men's sport to end the drought. We're near the top of mediocrity in that regard which is why I'd trade getting far (shy of winning it all of course) in any post season tournament at this point for winning a conference title.

I say that to say I don't take anything away from Avent winning Super's or going to the CWS, those teams deserve the recognition they get for that as it is a heck of an accomplishment.

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You are certainly entitled to your opinions and I respect you giving them while choosing to not belittle those who disagree. Amen to you. You're a real Wolfpacker, and will be one of the folks I think about with happiness when NC State does win the ACC.

I will say this though. When NC State wins an ACC title in football, men's basketball, or baseball, it's not going to end any "title drought" talk because that is important to the people that mention it. They have to use that to perpetuate their preferred narrative.

That title drought listing use to include women's basketball. When Wes Moore's teams won ACC titles, antagonists simply pulled his program out that narrative and trimmed it down to the three men's sports.

If Avent wins the ACC title next week, it'll be trimmed down to a title drought in football and men's basketball, and not a celebration of what was just won. That's just how haters work.

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Amen Rob!

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CLTWolf said:

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matracey said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Tittles?

My favorite.

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Well you know judge success as you see it and others get that privilege too. Without being mocked or scorned.
That's wise for either side of this coin.

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Yep. It's all about those tittles.

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Avent's two trips to Omaha would have made a nice pair of tittles

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A nice pair indeed.

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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matracey said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Tittles?

My favorite.

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Well you know judge success as you see it and others get that privilege too. Without being mocked or scorned.
That's wise for either side of this coin.

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Yep. It's all about those tittles.

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Avent's two trips to Omaha would have made a nice pair of tittles

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A nice pair indeed.

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Is your opinion the only one that counts ? Because you are acting like a bully ..please put me on ignore if you can't be civil. People have every right to measure success as they see it.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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matracey said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Tittles?

My favorite.

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Well you know judge success as you see it and others get that privilege too. Without being mocked or scorned.
That's wise for either side of this coin.

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Yep. It's all about those tittles.

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Avent's two trips to Omaha would have made a nice pair of tittles

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A nice pair indeed.

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Is your opinion the only one that counts ? Because you are acting like a bully ..please put me on ignore if you can't be civil. People have every right to measure success as they see it.

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You misspelled the word "title". They are using the similarity of what you wrote, "tittle" to the word "titty" to have a little bit of wordplay fun at your expense.

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Redwolf said:

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matracey said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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So does he just ride it out until he's ready to retire? He's been here a long time so making a couple of CWS is great but zero titles in the ACC is not. That's a really long time to not win anything of significance. We do well against the bottom of the conference and not so great against the top. Longevity isn't necessarily a winning formula for success.

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Can we start a tally for ummm....let's just say, posts of this variety?

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I know it's crazy talk to expect a championship from a coach who's been here a quarter century especially given the talent some of those teams have had.

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Did you even read Rob's response to what you said? IMO (and lots of people actually knowledgeable about college baseball) winning a super regional is a bigger accomplishment than the ACCT, especially in its current format. Would you trade one of the supers for an ACCT Championship?

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Yes I would trade a super for the ACC Championship, easily. We've not won a championship in a major men's sport in decades. I don't mind to be in the minority for not caring we were one of the final 8 teams in a particular season if we can't win championships either at the conference or national level.

I do appreciate Avent's time with the program but we're not trending in the right direction currently.

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I would not, and it makes no sense to do so in my mind. No one in Virginia is worried about the Cavaliers not winning an ACC title in several years because they have been to the CWS several times since. To be fair, NC State's league title drought is longer, but their lineage is not elite so it goes lock-step with what has happened over the years.

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It's fine to value things differently. NCSU as an institution NEEDS desperately to win any conference title in a major men's sport to end the drought. We're near the top of mediocrity in that regard which is why I'd trade getting far (shy of winning it all of course) in any post season tournament at this point for winning a conference title.

I say that to say I don't take anything away from Avent winning Super's or going to the CWS, those teams deserve the recognition they get for that as it is a heck of an accomplishment.

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You are certainly entitled to your opinions and I respect you giving them while choosing to not belittle those who disagree. Amen to you. You're a real Wolfpacker, and will be one of the folks I think about with happiness when NC State does win the ACC.

I will say this though. When NC State wins an ACC title in football, men's basketball, or baseball, it's not going to end any "title drought" talk because that is important to the people that mention it. They have to use that to perpetuate their preferred narrative.

That title drought listing use to include women's basketball. When Wes Moore's teams won ACC titles, antagonists simply pulled his program out that narrative and trimmed it down to the three men's sports.

If Avent wins the ACC title next week, it'll be trimmed down to a title drought in football and men's basketball, and not a celebration of what was just won. That's just how haters work.

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Amen Rob!

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Every business has markers to hit…when you don't hit the numbers **** changes quick. When you do hit the numbers, great, but next year we have to do more so business will thrive. Same as baseball or any sport …evolve or die.. so I think some are coming from that point of view in that we haven't been keeping up with inflation since the 90s…and we are now floundering … do we bring in a new CEO? Or do we look at trends and see that we still might catch a wave. Investors are looking for dividends. Everybody has an idea of what that dividend should look like. A tittle…a super regional …on and on.. but we all want the same thing and that's for NC State to succeed.
It's a touchy subject ..but we are NC State…we don't eat our own for different in opinion.

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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matracey said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Redwolf said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Tittles?

My favorite.

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Well you know judge success as you see it and others get that privilege too. Without being mocked or scorned.
That's wise for either side of this coin.

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Yep. It's all about those tittles.

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Avent's two trips to Omaha would have made a nice pair of tittles

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A nice pair indeed.

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Is your opinion the only one that counts ? Because you are acting like a bully ..please put me on ignore if you can't be civil. People have every right to measure success as they see it.

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matracey said:

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Redwolf said:

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matracey said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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So does he just ride it out until he's ready to retire? He's been here a long time so making a couple of CWS is great but zero titles in the ACC is not. That's a really long time to not win anything of significance. We do well against the bottom of the conference and not so great against the top. Longevity isn't necessarily a winning formula for success.

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Can we start a tally for ummm....let's just say, posts of this variety?

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I know it's crazy talk to expect a championship from a coach who's been here a quarter century especially given the talent some of those teams have had.

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Did you even read Rob's response to what you said? IMO (and lots of people actually knowledgeable about college baseball) winning a super regional is a bigger accomplishment than the ACCT, especially in its current format. Would you trade one of the supers for an ACCT Championship?

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Yes I would trade a super for the ACC Championship, easily. We've not won a championship in a major men's sport in decades. I don't mind to be in the minority for not caring we were one of the final 8 teams in a particular season if we can't win championships either at the conference or national level.

I do appreciate Avent's time with the program but we're not trending in the right direction currently.

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I would not, and it makes no sense to do so in my mind. No one in Virginia is worried about the Cavaliers not winning an ACC title in several years because they have been to the CWS several times since. To be fair, NC State's league title drought is longer, but their lineage is not elite so it goes lock-step with what has happened over the years.

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It's fine to value things differently. NCSU as an institution NEEDS desperately to win any conference title in a major men's sport to end the drought. We're near the top of mediocrity in that regard which is why I'd trade getting far (shy of winning it all of course) in any post season tournament at this point for winning a conference title.

I say that to say I don't take anything away from Avent winning Super's or going to the CWS, those teams deserve the recognition they get for that as it is a heck of an accomplishment.

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You are certainly entitled to your opinions and I respect you giving them while choosing to not belittle those who disagree. Amen to you. You're a real Wolfpacker, and will be one of the folks I think about with happiness when NC State does win the ACC.

I will say this though. When NC State wins an ACC title in football, men's basketball, or baseball, it's not going to end any "title drought" talk because that is important to the people that mention it. They have to use that to perpetuate their preferred narrative.

That title drought listing use to include women's basketball. When Wes Moore's teams won ACC titles, antagonists simply pulled his program out that narrative and trimmed it down to the three men's sports.

If Avent wins the ACC title next week, it'll be trimmed down to a title drought in football and men's basketball, and not a celebration of what was just won. That's just how haters work.

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Amen Rob!

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Every business has markers to hit…when you don't hit the numbers **** changes quick. When you do hit the numbers, great, but next year we have to do more so business will thrive. Same as baseball or any sport …evolve or die.. so I think some are coming from that point of view in that we haven't been keeping up with inflation since the 90s…and we are now floundering … do we bring in a new CEO? Or do we look at trends and see that we still might catch a wave. Investors are looking for dividends. Everybody has an idea of what that dividend should look like. A tittle…a super regional …on and on.. but we all want the same thing and that's for NC State to succeed.
It's a touchy subject ..but we are NC State…we don't eat our own for different in opinion.

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I see this comparison of a team to a business all the time and it's really a false equivalence. At the end of the day sports are a game. They're entertainment.

Also how have we not been keeping up since the 90's? We never went to Omaha in the 90's and Avent has been twice including just 2 years ago. I wouldn't call that floundering. It's a below average year this year. It happens. Figure out what you need to do in the offseason and fix it. If it happens again next year then it starts to become a trend and you think about making a change.

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matracey said:

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Redwolf said:

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matracey said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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ncsuchris said:

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wolf howl said:

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So does he just ride it out until he's ready to retire? He's been here a long time so making a couple of CWS is great but zero titles in the ACC is not. That's a really long time to not win anything of significance. We do well against the bottom of the conference and not so great against the top. Longevity isn't necessarily a winning formula for success.

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Can we start a tally for ummm....let's just say, posts of this variety?

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I know it's crazy talk to expect a championship from a coach who's been here a quarter century especially given the talent some of those teams have had.

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Did you even read Rob's response to what you said? IMO (and lots of people actually knowledgeable about college baseball) winning a super regional is a bigger accomplishment than the ACCT, especially in its current format. Would you trade one of the supers for an ACCT Championship?

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Yes I would trade a super for the ACC Championship, easily. We've not won a championship in a major men's sport in decades. I don't mind to be in the minority for not caring we were one of the final 8 teams in a particular season if we can't win championships either at the conference or national level.

I do appreciate Avent's time with the program but we're not trending in the right direction currently.

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I would not, and it makes no sense to do so in my mind. No one in Virginia is worried about the Cavaliers not winning an ACC title in several years because they have been to the CWS several times since. To be fair, NC State's league title drought is longer, but their lineage is not elite so it goes lock-step with what has happened over the years.

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It's fine to value things differently. NCSU as an institution NEEDS desperately to win any conference title in a major men's sport to end the drought. We're near the top of mediocrity in that regard which is why I'd trade getting far (shy of winning it all of course) in any post season tournament at this point for winning a conference title.

I say that to say I don't take anything away from Avent winning Super's or going to the CWS, those teams deserve the recognition they get for that as it is a heck of an accomplishment.

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You are certainly entitled to your opinions and I respect you giving them while choosing to not belittle those who disagree. Amen to you. You're a real Wolfpacker, and will be one of the folks I think about with happiness when NC State does win the ACC.

I will say this though. When NC State wins an ACC title in football, men's basketball, or baseball, it's not going to end any "title drought" talk because that is important to the people that mention it. They have to use that to perpetuate their preferred narrative.

That title drought listing use to include women's basketball. When Wes Moore's teams won ACC titles, antagonists simply pulled his program out that narrative and trimmed it down to the three men's sports.

If Avent wins the ACC title next week, it'll be trimmed down to a title drought in football and men's basketball, and not a celebration of what was just won. That's just how haters work.

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Amen Rob!

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Every business has markers to hit…when you don't hit the numbers **** changes quick. When you do hit the numbers, great, but next year we have to do more so business will thrive. Same as baseball or any sport …evolve or die.. so I think some are coming from that point of view in that we haven't been keeping up with inflation since the 90s…and we are now floundering … do we bring in a new CEO? Or do we look at trends and see that we still might catch a wave. Investors are looking for dividends. Everybody has an idea of what that dividend should look like. A tittle…a super regional …on and on.. but we all want the same thing and that's for NC State to succeed.
It's a touchy subject ..but we are NC State…we don't eat our own for different in opinion.

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I see this comparison of a team to a business all the time and it's really a false equivalence. At the end of the day sports are a game. They're entertainment.

Also how have we not been keeping up since the 90's? We never went to Omaha in the 90's and Avent has been twice including just 2 years ago. I wouldn't call that floundering. It's a below average year this year. It happens. Figure out what you need to do in the offseason and fix it. If it happens again next year then it starts to become a trend and you think about making a change.

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Rob McLamb said:

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As I've mentioned a million times everyone is entitled to an opinion but I must admit "tittles" got me too.

If I'd gone since 1997 with tittles I'd at least have went to the strip club. I'm not ashamed to admit that.

When I was a teenager my father told me that I had two choices in life, either I can pay for it directly or I will have to pay for it indirectly, because I'll never get any tittles for free.

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Rob McLamb said:

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I could have wrote that everyone is "entittled" to an opinion. If I'd thought of that sooner, it might've been one of my finer literary moments. Now I must live with that failure.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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"I will say this though. When NC State wins an ACC title in football, men's basketball, or baseball, it's not going to end any "title drought" talk because that is important to the people that mention it. They have to use that to perpetuate their preferred narrative.

That title drought listing use to include women's basketball. When Wes Moore's teams won ACC titles, antagonists simply pulled his program out that narrative and trimmed it down to the three men's sports.

If Avent wins the ACC title next week, it'll be trimmed down to a title drought in football and men's basketball, and not a celebration of what was just won. That's just how haters work."

One hundred percent correct. Goalposts will simply move to whichever sports haven't won one. And truth be told, even if all of them win one, then a few years after that we'll be talking about those programs falling off and being mediocre.

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Rob McLamb said:

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I don't particularly like Avent, but on the other hand, I recognize that he's earned the right to say when it's time to go. Kay Yow pretty much tailed off at the end of her tenure, and ain't nobody gonna tell Kay Yow to go (although I will point out she won multiple ACC regular season and tourney titles--she was the reverse of Avent, always underperforming in the NCAAs).

THe other diminsion of this is, does anyone really trust Boo to make a homerun hire if Avent does retire? I must say, I have my doubts...we have nowhere near the money it would take to land someone like Bakich at Clemson.

And, there'd be considerable pressure from the Lee Fowler good old boy network to just hand the job to Chris Hart, which would be a mistake (just like the crowd who wanted to hire Stephanie Glance after Yow stepped down were also mistaken).

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HONEST QUESTION: Why is Hart being offered the job a mistake? He handles day-to-day, is in charge of recruiting, and has stayed loyal to NC State when he could have coached elsewhere.

NC State has had four baseball head coaches since WWII. Loyalty and longevity are tenets of the Wolfpack baseball program, and Hart fits that. If you hire him and he bombs, then that is the key to opening the door and looking outside the program -- so you can get the best of both worlds in that scenario, because how administrators treat baseball, and its coaches, is a big factor in where people want to work.

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Alex Gee said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Exactly Rob. Glance has nothing to do with Hart and their situations aren't even close to similar.

Nationwide search? Why? You've got two of the best options literally on-site and less than an hour from campus in Chris Hart and Justin Haire at Campbell.

An outside the box guy that would be a great hire for someone, IMO, is Landon Powell HC at North Greenville. He was an Apex kid that was an absolute stud in HS, went to UScar and played in the pros as well. He's killing it at the D2 level winning a natty last year and 5 conference championships in the 8 years he's been HC.

College baseball is regional for the most part and with the massive amount of talent in the SE (specifically NC) looking outside the region isn't the best idea, IMO. The next guy better be able to hit the ground running as a recruiter in our region.

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Bingo. Whoever it is has to get dudes, and I think Hart has proven that he can do that. And I know this board has been dominated by coach talk re. decision making recently, but so much of this sport is getting great players on your roster. I'm also going to go on a tangent about development because I don't think many places have better coaching or raw talent than NCSU, just better resources, and WFU is the best example of that.

You've rightfully mentioned multiple times before that Wake's great pitching isn't coincidental. They recruited good pitchers but also built a state-of-the-art pitching lab that is monitored by a team lead by a doctor in biomechanics. It's no accident that they have multiple guys that can pump 95+ and lead the country in Hits allowed, Runs allowed, ERA by 0.83(!), K/BB Ratio, Strikeouts, WHIP, and are second in BB/9. Historically good pitching. Maybe the best team pitching season ever.

Recruiting rankings per Perfect Game since 2019:

2019: WFU: NR - NCSU: 30
2020: WFU: 16 - NCSU: 31
2021: WFU: 35 - NCSU: 28
2022: WFU: 51 - NCSU: 18

I guess my point is to convince people to try to imagine what can get done when you recruit at a pretty high level, we've recruited better than WFU historically and recently, and provide the staff with the resources to really develop players. How much better would the arms on our roster be if they had 3-4 years to develop in the "Carlos Rodon Pitching Lab" (That Avent said was coming) like Wake's pitchers have been able to do?

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JCooke93 said:

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Pitching Lab that's news to me

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CLTWolf said:

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JCooke93 said:

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Pitching Lab that's news to me

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https://gopack.com/news/2022/1/6/baseball-nc-state-athletics-announces-enhancement-plan-for-doak-field-at-dail-park.aspx

Look down at the bottom of the page. There's a listing of what's coming.

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