What is Avent saying? Guy was safe, sorry.

Borowolf10 said:

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What is Avent saying? Guy was safe, sorry.

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Think he's still arguing balls and strikes

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kmb717 said:

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Green cannot play SS anymore.

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SportManagementEngineer said:

Serious question. Is there another option?

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CLTWolf said:

Yes, Kalae Harrison was a SS at A&M before coming here.

Payton needs to take some balls at 2nd or move Gino over to 2nd and put Payton back at 3rd, but I hate to move Gino b/c he's been playing pretty well over there.

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Rob McLamb said:

Entering the games today, Green has a better fielding percentage at SS than Groover has at 3B despite having more putout attempts.

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CLTWolf said:

What does your eyes tell you Rob? How many runs has Payton given up after committing an error and just standing there either looking at the ball or lazily trying to pick the ball up as dudes run around the bases. How many routine plays has Payton butchered? I'm as forgiving as they come on these boards and rarely do I take any player to task but sometimes a kid isn't being put in a position to be successful or they're just not there mentally in certain situations.

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Rob McLamb said:

My eyes were reading the stat sheet, so it told me that Groover and Green had the same number of errors going into the game with Green having 15 more putout attempts.

Green played shortstop in high school and was one of the best in the state. If you take him out, where do you put him? He leads the team in homers, so do you put him at DH? That guy has a three-run homer today.

He needs to play better in the field, but I don't think he plays 'lazily' or whatever.

How many routine plays has Payton butchered?

He has been charged with six errors this season, so my answer is six.

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CLTWolf said:

You should probably pay more attention to the game instead of being on IPS at the game big fella. You're missing at ton of stuff. Like Payton Green booting an easy ground ball that was an error but ruled a hit. LOL

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Rob McLamb said:

I am paying attention bruh.

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I can confidently say you aren't if you truly think Payton Green has played well at SS the last 2 weeks.

This team hasn't gotten a 50/50 play all season. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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kmb717 said:

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Green cannot play SS anymore.

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SportManagementEngineer said:

Serious question. Is there another option?

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CLTWolf said:

Yes, Kalae Harrison was a SS at A&M before coming here.

Payton needs to take some balls at 2nd or move Gino over to 2nd and put Payton back at 3rd, but I hate to move Gino b/c he's been playing pretty well over there.

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Rob McLamb said:

Entering the games today, Green has a better fielding percentage at SS than Groover has at 3B despite having more putout attempts.

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CLTWolf said:

What does your eyes tell you Rob? How many runs has Payton given up after committing an error and just standing there either looking at the ball or lazily trying to pick the ball up as dudes run around the bases. How many routine plays has Payton butchered? I'm as forgiving as they come on these boards and rarely do I take any player to task but sometimes a kid isn't being put in a position to be successful or they're just not there mentally in certain situations.

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Rob McLamb said:

My eyes were reading the stat sheet, so it told me that Groover and Green had the same number of errors going into the game with Green having 15 more putout attempts.

Green played shortstop in high school and was one of the best in the state. If you take him out, where do you put him? He leads the team in homers, so do you put him at DH? That guy has a three-run homer today.

He needs to play better in the field, but I don't think he plays 'lazily' or whatever.

How many routine plays has Payton butchered?

He has been charged with six errors this season, so my answer is six.

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CLTWolf said:

You should probably pay more attention to the game instead of being on IPS at the game big fella. You're missing at ton of stuff. Like Payton Green booting an easy ground ball that was an error but ruled a hit. LOL

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Rob McLamb said:

I am paying attention bruh.

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CLTWolf said:

I can confidently say you aren't if you truly think Payton Green has played well at SS the last 2 weeks.

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Rob McLamb said:

Did I say he played well the last two weeks? Don't put words in my mouth. I reported the official stats. You're on IPS during the game too.

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So what's your opinion then Rob, since you're not watching the game anymore. Give us you opinion of how Payton Green has been playing in the field. haha

This troll job will not stand, man.

Also, I'm not paid to watch the game so I can watch the game on one screen and type a message another since I'm doing this for free. L O L

Just all the bad that has plagued this team all year. Highfill just doesn't have it out of the pen and Lawson isn't really fit to close against good teams. Idk what Avent can do. This team just doesn't have enough talent.

I'm waiting for someone to tell us how good Avent is as a coach.

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Just all the bad that has plagued this team all year. Highfill just doesn't have it out of the pen and Lawson isn't really fit to close against good teams. Idk what Avent can do. This team just doesn't have enough talent.

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Again with this shtty take. Wake didn't hit Highfill at all. He gave up 2 hits one of which was a bunt hit and he got squeezed by the ump the hitter before his last. Just stop.

Sam should have struck out Brock twice on the same pitch the ump called on Hawke that he argued. Same exact spot. Called a ball both times after. Awful.

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ClePack said:

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Just all the bad that has plagued this team all year. Highfill just doesn't have it out of the pen and Lawson isn't really fit to close against good teams. Idk what Avent can do. This team just doesn't have enough talent.

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Rob McLamb said:

Middle relief has been up and down all season.

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Accurate. Rio Britton all of a sudden can't throw strikes and Justin Lawson seems to have reverted back to his JUCO control at times as well.

CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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Sam should have struck out Brock twice on the same pitch the ump called on Hawke that he argued. Same exact spot. Called a ball both times after. Awful.

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Absolutely ridiculous. And now all the people who didn't watch a second of the game will come on these boards and Twitter and say how bad we are. Wilken saw 4 strikes in that AB.

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Sam should have struck out Brock twice on the same pitch the ump called on Hawke that he argued. Same exact spot. Called a ball both times after. Awful.

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kmb717 said:

Absolutely ridiculous. And now all the people who didn't watch a second of the game will come on these boards and Twitter and say how bad we are. Wilken saw 4 strikes in that AB.

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Rob McLamb said:

NC State is mere inches away from being elite. There are just a couple of tweaks here and there. The schedule gets softer, but if the Wolfpack had tightened things up and won more of the ranked games they would be in another stratosphere right now. As it is, they likely will travel for a regional if they make it to the dance.

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I think State is definitely still in the conversation to host. It will take a few more things to fall our way in the 2nd half of the season but with the easier schedule I think it's doable. Still #9 in RPI and only team in the country with no losses outside the top 33 in RPI.

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matracey said:

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Sam should have struck out Brock twice on the same pitch the ump called on Hawke that he argued. Same exact spot. Called a ball both times after. Awful.

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kmb717 said:

Absolutely ridiculous. And now all the people who didn't watch a second of the game will come on these boards and Twitter and say how bad we are. Wilken saw 4 strikes in that AB.

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Rob McLamb said:

NC State is mere inches away from being elite. There are just a couple of tweaks here and there. The schedule gets softer, but if the Wolfpack had tightened things up and won more of the ranked games they would be in another stratosphere right now. As it is, they likely will travel for a regional if they make it to the dance.

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Rob they are average SS play and 2 arms away from being in that category. Maybe even one arm.

We really really need to rethink our pitching recruiting. Wake threw 3 pitchers at us today and all 3 throw in the mid-90s. Wake freakin Forest. 2 of those 3 are from NC too.

How many dudes we got that can throw strikes in the mid-90s? None.

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

Wake Forest’s pitching staff is already insane, and then you have @tommy_hawke24 and the rest of Wake’s defense out here making plays like this behind them, just unreal stuff @WakeBaseball pic.twitter.com/fuh4G4YFsH

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Final from Game 1 of today's doubleheader. Game 2 coming up at 4 p.m. on ACC Network.

Final from Game 1 of today's doubleheader. Game 2 coming up at 4 p.m. on ACC Network.#Pack9 pic.twitter.com/zU27lPvLiy

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CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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ClePack said:

You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

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Have you looked at our schedule? We have a single loss outside the top 19 in RPI and that was to Louisville who is 33 and we won that series. Nothing about that screams we are destined to be .500

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CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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ClePack said:

You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

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matracey said:

Have you looked at our schedule? We have a single loss outside the top 19 in RPI and that was to Louisville who is 33 and we won that series. Nothing about that screams we are destined to be .500

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.500 in the acc.

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CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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ClePack said:

You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

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Ya know, I had this nice long post ready to fire off and decided against it. No use.

You'll never change no matter how many times you've been proven wrong, especially with your Highfill nonsense.

No one thinks anything will "magically change". But you can keep conjuring up these cute narratives if you need to. There's plenty of us here that see the actual problems and issues with this team.

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CLTWolf said:

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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ClePack said:

You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

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matracey said:

Have you looked at our schedule? We have a single loss outside the top 19 in RPI and that was to Louisville who is 33 and we won that series. Nothing about that screams we are destined to be .500

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ClePack said:

.500 in the acc.

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and that probably puts us squarely in the NCAA tournament as a 2 seed.

Hell, unc hosted last year with a .500 conference record. ha

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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Green has hurt us in the field all year. He' making errors on routine plays. Most of them costing runs. I don't remember him making an extraordinary play all year. Seems kinda lackadasical out there.
He has helped us some at the plate though.

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Tough to win at places like Wake and ECU (top 10-15 teams) when they're getting the home cooking behind the plate like we're seeing today. That MFer let 5'5 Tommy Hawke scare him into not calling strikes the rest of the inning. Awful. haha

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ClePack said:

Come on man. We can't just blame the refs. We have failed to execute in situations like this all year. I think we just are who we are. Average.

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CLTWolf said:

The "refs"?

Tells me all I need to know about your baseball knowledge.

The team's issues hasn't been because of Highfill, he's done what he's supposed to do. Dudes behind him (like P Green) have let him down over and over.

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ClePack said:

You know exactly what I meant. Hell, when do we just have to accept that this team is destined to be .500? So many keep trying to hold on hope that things will just magically change. These things just keep happening.

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CLTWolf said:

Ya know, I had this nice long post ready to fire off and decided against it. No use.

You'll never change no matter how many times you've been proven wrong, especially with your Highfill nonsense.

No one thinks anything will "magically change". But you can keep conjuring up these cute narratives if you need to. There's plenty of us here that see the actual problems and issues with this team.

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My issue with the highfill defenders is that nothing seems to ever be his fault. He "couldn't be hit today" yet he loaded the bases with 1 out. I love the kid and am forever thankful for what he did for us in Omaha. I don't think that version of highfill exists anymore. Yeah, issues with this team are pretty obvious:

Defense at ss: not sure if this is fixable. No idea who they'd put there and where they'd put green.

Bullpen: not fixable. The talent isn't on the roster. This is something we'll have to dodge all year.

Bad luck: you'd think it will even out.... But it's out of our control.

You can sit here and say that I'm wrong about the team, wrong about highfill, etc, but so far the improvements just haven't happened. We keep doing the exact same things and just hoping it works out. I don't think that's a good recipe

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I was about to say, oh look, the black is a strike again. Chase Nixon just took what was ball 4 last game to Wilken. In game 2 it's now a strike. haha