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When you play in a conference that got nine teams in the field, and four of the top 16 seeds, out of conference SOS should only matter if you are being judged against another ACC team. It's a bull**** copout.
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Wouldn't it make sense (which I know isn't the NCAA's forte) to have a representative from each P5 conference?
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Thanks for posting the D1 article CLT. I told James on the pod, those are the guys I want building the field. They know the teams
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You'd think.NashvillePackFan said:
Wouldn't it make sense (which I know isn't the NCAA's forte) to have a representative from each P5 conference?
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Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
I dont see the bad non conference schedule you're referencing.
2 vs ECU (RPI #8)
1 vs Coastal Carolina (RPI #30)
2 vs Campbell (RPI #59)
3 vs EVANSVILLE (RPI #81)
2 vs UNCW (RPI #90)
2 vs UNCG (RPI #94)
Northeastern had an RPI of #118, and everyone expected them to have a much better year after going 36-12 last year. Unlucky to have rain outs against Campbell and Coastal, but that's not a scheduling issue.
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It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
They do play a tough OOC schedule but that's because they have to to have a respectable overall SOS. Look at their conference. We don't really have to when we play our conference schedule. I'll say it again…..considering OOC SOS is an absolute cop out in any sport. Look at overall SOS and that's all that matters.
James Ecu is maybe 50% vs acc teams. What is their Conference rated?
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Those cancels are def part of the problem. State lost three games: Campbell, Coastal, ND. Those were a really big deal to miss. The other part of the problem is the rest of the games. Why are you playing Longwood, Quinnipiac, Radford. That's two series against teams outside the top 250. There's only 300 teams. You couldn't have bothered to play one P5 game? Where's South Carolina, Charlotte, Liberty, VCU, etc? They did finally get ECU on the schedule so kudos for that. Evansville turned out to be good so that was a good call tooBigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
I dont see the bad non conference schedule you're referencing.
2 vs ECU (RPI #8)
1 vs Coastal Carolina (RPI #30)
2 vs Campbell (RPI #59)
3 vs EVANSVILLE (RPI #81)
2 vs UNCW (RPI #90)
2 vs UNCG (RPI #94)
Northeastern had an RPI of #118, and everyone expected them to have a much better year after going 36-12 last year. Unlucky to have rain outs against Campbell and Coastal, but that's not a scheduling issue.
EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
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Yep, NC State got screwed IMO b/c of the ACC not having someone in that room.
There's always an excuse
I hate it for the kids. I am a casual baseball fan, although was there yesterday in Charlotte. Hoping this galvanizes a very young team. Lot of good on the horizon for Pack9. Oh and F the NCAA!
BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.
Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.
And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.
Don't worry. Boo is going to try and best friend these people. We will be fine. Don't forget that guy is the AD at Army. I assume he was Boo's replacement.
Yep. Boo and Bubba and Nina are all from the same Kevin White / Notre Dame tree.
Which makes you really question the thought process behind hiring him. I was under the impression that his connections and being able to work the system was the big attraction following Debbie.
Ecu 2-5 vs acc - 2 wins vs Duke who didn't make acc tournament.
0-3 vs Bryant
0-2 vs ODU
1-2 vs College if Charleston
1-2 vs Tulane
Lost to vcu
0-3 vs Bryant
0-2 vs ODU
1-2 vs College if Charleston
1-2 vs Tulane
Lost to vcu
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Ecu 2-5 vs acc - 2 wins vs Duke who didn't make acc tournament.
0-3 vs Bryant
0-2 vs ODU
1-2 vs College if Charleston
1-2 vs Tulane
Lost to vcu
And they're a top 8 national seed. Will be hosting a Super Regional if they advance.
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Don't we know though that's the case?BobbyCox95 said:BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
Isn't it proven OOCSOS matters to all these selection committees? Look at Wake in hoops.
James Henderson said:Don't we know though that's the case?BobbyCox95 said:BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
Isn't it proven OOCSOS matters to all these selection committees? Look at Wake in hoops.
I understand it matters but it's still the absolute dumbest thing they consider. Would love for someone try to explain why that's important
Since we are going to consider OOC sos as well as overall sos then let's just start considering what your record is on fridays too. Or Sundays in addition to overall record. Let's consider what batting averages or era is too
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Agree, I don't understand it either outside of Committee viewing it as a part you can control on your schedule?BobbyCox95 said:James Henderson said:Don't we know though that's the case?BobbyCox95 said:BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
Isn't it proven OOCSOS matters to all these selection committees? Look at Wake in hoops.
I understand it matters but it's still the absolute dumbest thing they consider. Would love for someone try to explain why that's important
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I agree it's terrible. But the committee constantly shows this is what they care about. In world is ECU a top 8 team. None. Nada. But here we areBigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
James Henderson said:Don't we know though that's the case?BobbyCox95 said:BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
Isn't it proven OOCSOS matters to all these selection committees? Look at Wake in hoops.
Wake ran up that conference record in an historically bad ACC. Sixth rated conference in college basketball. The ACC had two teams ranked inside the top 50 RPI in basketball (Duke #16, and UNC #35)
ACC baseball has 11 teams in the top 35. That's absurd. Highest rated conference in the nation.
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OOC SOS is a variable that is not always predictable. Not having an ACC representative matters more because the OOC SOS is just an excuse to cover for committee preferences. See SEC.
Maybe because there's always a valid reason for the excuse?GreeneGoblin said:James Henderson said:
Yep, NC State got screwed IMO b/c of the ACC not having someone in that room.
There's always an excuse
The non conference SOS is part of the RPI calculation. Ignoring RPI,a metric specifically designed to rate teams across different conferences, to break out a specific subset of data within that rating just doesn't make sense. Yes, committees always use it as an excuse for whatever decision they make at the bottom of the bracket, that doesn't mean it's not dumb.
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Wake MBB played in a historically bad ACC season (despite how well teams did in the tournament)James Henderson said:Don't we know though that's the case?BobbyCox95 said:BigLefty24 said:EthanBarry said:It should be but apparently it's a cop out this year. I've always thought it would come back to bite State in a top 8 or 16 debate, not losing a bid altogether. ECU does put together an awesome schedule every year and they are always at the top of RPI. Nothing on their profile indicates a top 8 team except RPI/non con SOS but somehow they got there.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
ECU has an overall strength of schedule of 33rd in the nation. They were 2-7 against Quad 1 teams this year.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/East-Carolina
State had an overall strength of schedule of 26th in the nation. They went 13-15 against quad 1 teams.
https://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/schedule/North-Carolina-State
28 of our 57 games (49%) were against quad 1 teams and we had a winning percentage of 47% in those games. 9 of ECUs 60 games (15%) were against quad 1 teams and they had a winning percentage of 22% in those games. I don't want to hear anyone talk about how ECU's schedule did them this huge favor, while ours somehow is the reason we were left out.
This makes me even more mad about any discussion about our OOC sos. 26th in the country and we are talking about sos
Isn't it proven OOCSOS matters to all these selection committees? Look at Wake in hoops.
State BB played in a historically tough ACC season.
I wish we played a tougher schedule as a fan....but given our overall schedule, its a stupid excuse.
This smells of a situation in which they probably set the field on Thursday or Friday and didn't want to adjust . Same thing basketball does ... they might as well get rid of Conf tournaments If the games don't matter.
The goobers that set the field in both sports totally ignored State beating Wake , Miami & Pitt.
The goobers that set the field in both sports totally ignored State beating Wake , Miami & Pitt.
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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.
Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.
And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.
This is why I never pull for other teams from the conference in post season play. Particularly the in state schools.
They get credit for playing….and losing to ACC teams. We don't get credit for laying and winning the same games.James Henderson said:It's weird, ECU had a Top 5 or Top 10 OOC somehow IIRC.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
It's why we should 100% jump to the SEC should the opportunity ever present itself. I'm not saying it will, and I'm also not saying if it somehow does that it wouldnt be a trojan horse to try to bait the Cheats and their basketball brand instead but we should be every bit as unscrupulous to try to get our program ahead as every other program in the country is.Tootie4Pack said:
So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.
Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.
And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.
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Exactly, no need for them to look at non con SOS in baseball. But this moron said they did and RPI didn't matter when that's all that's ever matteredwilmwolf80 said:
The non conference SOS is part of the RPI calculation. Ignoring RPI,a metric specifically designed to rate teams across different conferences, to break out a specific subset of data within that rating just doesn't make sense. Yes, committees always use it as an excuse for whatever decision they make at the bottom of the bracket, that doesn't mean it's not dumb.
Same BS answer King gave for the screw job for the Women's BB team being put in Bridgeport.EthanBarry said:Exactly, no need for them to look at non con SOS in baseball. But this moron said they did and RPI didn't matter when that's all that's ever matteredwilmwolf80 said:
The non conference SOS is part of the RPI calculation. Ignoring RPI,a metric specifically designed to rate teams across different conferences, to break out a specific subset of data within that rating just doesn't make sense. Yes, committees always use it as an excuse for whatever decision they make at the bottom of the bracket, that doesn't mean it's not dumb.
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I think you do though when you can go below .500 in ACC and still make the NCAA, which has historically happened more frequently than not.waxhaw said:They get credit for playing….and losing to ACC teams. We don't get credit for laying and winning the same games.James Henderson said:It's weird, ECU had a Top 5 or Top 10 OOC somehow IIRC.BobbyCox95 said:EthanBarry said:
Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year
Playing in the ACC plus playing ezu isn't strong enough? Ezu never has an issue with strength of schedule and we are their toughest opponent every year.
I don't think a below .500 ECU is getting in, regardless of OOC, IMO.
But you are def. right a large part of their OOC SOS is playing those same ACC teams.
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Want to fix the selection issues in basketball and baseball?
1. Stop using a committee of ADs. Use a group of actual baseball/basketball experts. It shouldn't matter that the ACC was unrepresented on the committee.
2. Release the field weekly like they do in college football so that it takes a lot of the surprises out of it and adds a layer of transparency.
1. Stop using a committee of ADs. Use a group of actual baseball/basketball experts. It shouldn't matter that the ACC was unrepresented on the committee.
2. Release the field weekly like they do in college football so that it takes a lot of the surprises out of it and adds a layer of transparency.
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2 is really good!SportManagementEngineer said:
Want to fix the selection issues in basketball and baseball?
1. Stop using a committee of ADs. Use a group of actual baseball/basketball experts. It shouldn't matter that the ACC was unrepresented on the committee.
2. Release the field weekly like they do in college football so that it takes a lot of the surprises out of it and adds a layer of transparency.
I'd also find someone to create a legit model to project/pick. If we're going to use #s, let the #s decide it, don't let random people choose each year which #s actually matter or not.
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