James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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Want to fix the selection issues in basketball and baseball?

1. Stop using a committee of ADs. Use a group of actual baseball/basketball experts. It shouldn't matter that the ACC was unrepresented on the committee.
2. Release the field weekly like they do in college football so that it takes a lot of the surprises out of it and adds a layer of transparency.

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2 is really good!

I'd also find someone to create a legit model to project/pick. If we're going to use #s, let the #s decide it, don't let random people choose each year which #s actually matter or not.

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M_A said:

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Tootie4Pack said:

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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.

Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.

And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.

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It's why we should 100% jump to the SEC should the opportunity ever present itself. I'm not saying it will, and I'm also not saying if it somehow does that it wouldnt be a trojan horse to try to bait the Cheats and their basketball brand instead but we should be every bit as unscrupulous to try to get our program ahead as every other program in the country is.

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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cottonwolf said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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cottonwolf said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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I just came on to see where we are playing and I find out that we are not. What a crock of BS this is. The NCAA is and has been against us forever. When we exposed the Heels in 2010 or so they have just ratcheted it up to screw us every time. I'm sick and tired of this ***** Yes we lost those games to Wake and UNC but we made a run in the tournament and and our RPI went way up. No way they can leave us out without there being animosity towards the school.

Boo and Woodson won't say a thing. They are establishment members of the NCAA.

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No they won't say much in public other than what Boo said about being disappointed. They will be professional, as they should, and operate outside the public eye.

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And that is why the fan base will be disappointed in both of them. UNC Cheats for 30 years and it was all true. They lawyer up and fight and the fix was in from the start. We get screwed constantly by the NCAA and Woodson and Corrigan are "good little soldiers" and say "Thanks can we have another." If they are not going to fight for the University, they need to be fired.

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Randy Woodson is on NCAA Board of Governors and the NCAA Division 1 Transformation Committee. Boo is chair of the CFP Selection Committee. These guys can't just blast out a lot of mean tweets and still be seen as leaders who can have an influence for change.

What more do you want him to say in public than this? "We are shocked and disappointed that our baseball team did not receive a bid to the NCAA Tournament. We hurt for our student-athletes and coaches who worked so hard and who we believe deserved this opportunity."

Would you rather they have a cussing hissy fit and be seen as whinya$$e$ or work behind the scene in a professional manner to make sure the ACC is represented on the selection committee in the future?

Sure UNC used lawyers to fight the NCAA, there is a mechanism for that. Do you think that there is a mechanism where every team who thinks they are slighted by a selection committee can sue? We would never have any tournaments if that was the case.

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Well I guess you just like getting crapped on continually from the NCAA.

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cottonwolf said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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cottonwolf said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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cottonwolf said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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I just came on to see where we are playing and I find out that we are not. What a crock of BS this is. The NCAA is and has been against us forever. When we exposed the Heels in 2010 or so they have just ratcheted it up to screw us every time. I'm sick and tired of this ***** Yes we lost those games to Wake and UNC but we made a run in the tournament and and our RPI went way up. No way they can leave us out without there being animosity towards the school.

Boo and Woodson won't say a thing. They are establishment members of the NCAA.

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No they won't say much in public other than what Boo said about being disappointed. They will be professional, as they should, and operate outside the public eye.

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And that is why the fan base will be disappointed in both of them. UNC Cheats for 30 years and it was all true. They lawyer up and fight and the fix was in from the start. We get screwed constantly by the NCAA and Woodson and Corrigan are "good little soldiers" and say "Thanks can we have another." If they are not going to fight for the University, they need to be fired.

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Randy Woodson is on NCAA Board of Governors and the NCAA Division 1 Transformation Committee. Boo is chair of the CFP Selection Committee. These guys can't just blast out a lot of mean tweets and still be seen as leaders who can have an influence for change.

What more do you want him to say in public than this? "We are shocked and disappointed that our baseball team did not receive a bid to the NCAA Tournament. We hurt for our student-athletes and coaches who worked so hard and who we believe deserved this opportunity."

Would you rather they have a cussing hissy fit and be seen as whinya$$e$ or work behind the scene in a professional manner to make sure the ACC is represented on the selection committee in the future?

Sure UNC used lawyers to fight the NCAA, there is a mechanism for that. Do you think that there is a mechanism where every team who thinks they are slighted by a selection committee can sue? We would never have any tournaments if that was the case.

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Well I guess you just like getting crapped on continually from the NCAA.

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of course I don't. what would you like them to do?

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griff17matt said:

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M_A said:

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Tootie4Pack said:

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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.

Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.

And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.

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It's why we should 100% jump to the SEC should the opportunity ever present itself. I'm not saying it will, and I'm also not saying if it somehow does that it wouldnt be a trojan horse to try to bait the Cheats and their basketball brand instead but we should be every bit as unscrupulous to try to get our program ahead as every other program in the country is.

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This is a delusional pipe dream. The SEC will never come calling for us in this landscape. It's not about tv markets any more. It's draw power across the board and we're middling at best due to horrid leadership here and at the conference level for 30 straight years. No sense in holding out that hope.

Hell, we can barely beat their middling teams now. You want to go to the SEC, why exactly? So we can be a bottom feeder and we can all ***** and moan more than we do now? We'd be Maryland in the Big 10 at best. An afterthought.

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Mr. O said:

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griff17matt said:

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M_A said:

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Tootie4Pack said:

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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.

Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.

And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.

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It's why we should 100% jump to the SEC should the opportunity ever present itself. I'm not saying it will, and I'm also not saying if it somehow does that it wouldnt be a trojan horse to try to bait the Cheats and their basketball brand instead but we should be every bit as unscrupulous to try to get our program ahead as every other program in the country is.

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This is a delusional pipe dream. The SEC will never come calling for us in this landscape. It's not about tv markets any more. It's draw power across the board and we're middling at best due to horrid leadership here and at the conference level for 30 straight years. No sense in holding out that hope.

Hell, we can barely beat their middling teams now. You want to go to the SEC, why exactly? So we can be a bottom feeder and we can all ***** and moan more than we do now? We'd be Maryland in the Big 10 at best. An afterthought.

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In what sports are you referencing that we would be a bottom feeder in the SEC?

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Daviewolf83 said:

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In my opinion, the committee's use of out-of-conference SOS was just the convenient reason they came up with to keep State out of the tournament. I am not usually a conspiracy guy, but I do think there was a "stick it to State" attitude on the part of some on the committee, due to the public comments made last year when State was sent home from the College World Series.

You are either going to use RPI or not, but allowing committees to pick and chose which metrics they use to justify each team is just wrong, in my opinion. RPI "includes" SOS in the equation, so those saying SOS was separated out were just using it as an excuse to justify their decision. I agree with FSU's coach when he says there are likely some on the committee who control the discussion and decisions and others are there quiet and allow themselves to be bullied. The fact the ACC does not have a strong voice in the room is a problem for ACC baseball. The ACC was by most measures the top conference (top to bottom) in the nation this year and as a result, they beat up on each other on a regular basis. This is why using a measure, like RPI, is so important. It helps to normalize for the fact one conference is better than another conference. I do like the suggestion proposed earlier in the thread with regards to the committed publishing a weekly seeding list at some point in the season, to avoid surprises like the one yesterday.

I heard on Packer/Durham this morning that a report came out overnight regarding out-of-conference SOS and how some schools "manipulated" this calculation late in the season by buying out teams that would have lowered their out-of-conference SOS if the games were played. They did not mention the schools and I want to find the report. If true and if out-of-conference SOS is so important, perhaps State should consider this strategy in the future.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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In my opinion, the committee's use of out-of-conference SOS was just the convenient reason they came up with to keep State out of the tournament. I am not usually a conspiracy guy, but I do think there was a "stick it to State" attitude on the part of some on the committee, due to the public comments made last year when State was sent home from the College World Series.

You are either going to use RPI or not, but allowing committees to pick and chose which metrics they use to justify each team is just wrong, in my opinion. RPI "includes" SOS in the equation, so those saying SOS was separated out were just using it as an excuse to justify their decision. I agree with FSU's coach when he says there are likely some on the committee who control the discussion and decisions and others are there quiet and allow themselves to be bullied. The fact the ACC does not have a strong voice in the room is a problem for ACC baseball. The ACC was by most measures the top conference (top to bottom) in the nation this year and as a result, they beat up on each other on a regular basis. This is why using a measure, like RPI, is so important. It helps to normalize for the fact one conference is better than another conference. I do like the suggestion proposed earlier in the thread with regards to the committed publishing a weekly seeding list at some point in the season, to avoid surprises like the one yesterday.

I heard on Packer/Durham this morning that a report came out overnight regarding out-of-conference SOS and how some schools "manipulated" this calculation late in the season by buying out teams that would have lowered their out-of-conference SOS if the games were played. They did not mention the schools and I want to find the report. If true and if out-of-conference SOS is so important, perhaps State should consider this strategy in the future.

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EthanBarry said:

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Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year

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89_Grad said:

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EthanBarry said:

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Inexcusable exclusion but State has gotten away with bad non conference scheduling for years and it finally bit them. Shouldn't have cost them a bid though. Put together a real schedule next year

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This. I agree that you have little choice but to schedule the regional teams for midweek games. But those opening season series against Evansville, Quinnipiac and Northeastern (and getting swept by Northeastern) we really should have done better on. and the midseason breather series against Radford? C'mon, man! IT was the weakest four weekend OOC opponents I ever remember since I've had season tickets.

IF it's a budget issue (not willing to pay a good Group of 5 team to come in here in February) it's one thing. Bit if that's who we chose to schedule, then Avent has noone to blame but himself.

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stuartmcarthur5 said:

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Texas A&M bought out Incarnate Word since even a 100-0 win would've dropped their RPI

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Packsd14me said:

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Wes Durham says " NC State and the NCAA needs to get on the same page in a lot of things. NC State's great fans understandable feel slighted. The NCAA had guilded the Wolfpack in a way that is not quite fair. I don't blame their fans for taking some of this stuff personal".


This coming from the son of the biggest UNC homer ever and was raised that way. Quite a statement.

Wes and Drew Carter both say they are hoping for repercussions to the baseball commitee and they think commissioner Phillips should get involved by the way the Wolfpack and Irish were treated.

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I appreciate Wes weighing in on the latest issue with the NCAA. I have had the opportunity to talk to him several times over the past few years and he has been willing to spend time chatting about things other than sports. I know he is Woody's son, but I think he does a really good job of trying to be fair to all teams. Away from the broadcast booth, he is very complimentary of State and the athletic program. Of course, he has a special place in his heart for UNC. It is understandable and I would not expect anything less from him.

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griff17matt said:

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Mr. O said:

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griff17matt said:

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M_A said:

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Tootie4Pack said:

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So former WF Asst AD Mike Buddie oversees the screwing of NC State Baseball team.

Duke AD Nina King oversaw the screwing the WBB team.

And we thought that the enemy was in Chapel Hill. Screw our "Big Four" colleagues. Each man for his own, or so it seems.

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It's why we should 100% jump to the SEC should the opportunity ever present itself. I'm not saying it will, and I'm also not saying if it somehow does that it wouldnt be a trojan horse to try to bait the Cheats and their basketball brand instead but we should be every bit as unscrupulous to try to get our program ahead as every other program in the country is.

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This is a delusional pipe dream. The SEC will never come calling for us in this landscape. It's not about tv markets any more. It's draw power across the board and we're middling at best due to horrid leadership here and at the conference level for 30 straight years. No sense in holding out that hope.

Hell, we can barely beat their middling teams now. You want to go to the SEC, why exactly? So we can be a bottom feeder and we can all ***** and moan more than we do now? We'd be Maryland in the Big 10 at best. An afterthought.

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In what sports are you referencing that we would be a bottom feeder in the SEC?

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Football for sure unless they get a LOT more unscrupulous. Basketball, probably more middling but still no better than the ACC. Baseball probably the same. If we can't win anything in the ACC, why would the SEC be any different? WBB we'd be top run for sure but the ACC is a much better conference there than the SEC, imo. We'd probably still do well in the non-revenue sports but we already are so why leave for that? It would be a lateral move at best.

In what way would the SEC be good for NC State, in your opinion?

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