have boo corrigan and james henderson ever been in the same room at the same time?ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
sf59 said:have boo corrigan and james henderson ever been in the same room at the same time?ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
(asking for a friend)
Td21pack said:
The bigger issue why are we still having covid protocols in these tourneys? U have all these fans in the stands with no social distancing and no masks on. Crazy
James Henderson said:pack2010 said:James Henderson said:pack2010 said:James Henderson said:Bas2020 said:James Henderson said:packgrad said:
I wish we could turn off James green color when he posts about baseball because he clearly knows **** about the situation. I'm glad he can post his anecdotes and irrelevant outdated studies but it is tiresome and quite irksome to see his continuous support of the NCAA decision to **** State as an NC State website owner.
Just because I run a State website doesn't mean I have to believe State got screwed here. Trust me, I'll admit it for sure when it happens, ask the folks who get mad when I bring up officiating after losses.
In this situation though, I talk to people too, was familiar with the Ncaa's guidelines ahead of time, and we always don't have to agree.
It's okay to acknowledge at times when you have blame, and State does here for various issues. I'll either write up what I've heard or post it in a pod later.
But if tou want to be mad at the ncaa for enforcing the rules laid out to everyone ahead of time, go right ahead.
I think your missing the point that people think the rules are absurd as of June , 2021 , especially when they are allowing 30,000 fans . Not the selective enforcement of an already stupid rule .
Reid Johnston has 6 negative tests and couldn't play . That's a stupid rule if that's allowed to happen .
Have some flexibility . Don't have the same rules you had back in March . Use common sense . Not that hard to resolve fairly . Play the negative players . If your argument is tracing then that applies to Vandy also.
When was Reid tested 6 times? So far I've read/heard about once post-jarrett positive.My son had 6 negative test and could not play Friday.
— Katherine Johnston (@kljohnston5743) June 27, 2021
literally his mom
I'm not sure how that tweet answers my question.
of course not. you probably need 7 negative tests over the course of 14 days to prove youre right.
you really think his mom would talk about random testing during the season? come on man
No I'm saying I don't think Reid Johnston tested negative 6 times after justice tested positive or Jarrett testers positive or the other two players tested positive.
I don't know which of those players he was around the most for it to matter.
So again, why would negative tests prior to the other positive tests matter to the NCAA? If you are in contact tracing you have to string together negatives post-positive test exposure. That is why I asked when did he have all those negative results?
My son tested positive a full week after my daughter and he had 4 negatives in between.
I posted this in another thread, but it deserves posting here as well. Here is some detail as to the reason why I asked Kendall a question about the PCR test for vaccinated players (which he took time to answer). Per infectious disease doctor Dr. Monica Gandhi:sf59 said:
The stupidity of PCR testing asymptomatic- vaccinated players.
It's virology 101.
I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
Daviewolf83 said:I posted this in another thread, but it deserves posting here as well. Here is some detail as to the reason why I asked Kendall a question about the PCR test for vaccinated players (which he took time to answer). Per infectious disease doctor Dr. Monica Gandhi:sf59 said:
The stupidity of PCR testing asymptomatic- vaccinated players.
It's virology 101.
"Vaccinated people who aren't feeling sick might still trigger a positive COVID-19 test while their body fights off the virus, but aren't at risk of infecting others"
The quote comes from the following article:
Can Covid spread if you are vaccinated, have no symptoms, and test positive?
Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
Daviewolf83 said:I posted this in another thread, but it deserves posting here as well. Here is some detail as to the reason why I asked Kendall a question about the PCR test for vaccinated players (which he took time to answer). Per infectious disease doctor Dr. Monica Gandhi:sf59 said:
The stupidity of PCR testing asymptomatic- vaccinated players.
It's virology 101.
"Vaccinated people who aren't feeling sick might still trigger a positive COVID-19 test while their body fights off the virus, but aren't at risk of infecting others"
The quote comes from the following article:
Can Covid spread if you are vaccinated, have no symptoms, and test positive?
Bas2020 said:James Henderson said:pack2010 said:James Henderson said:pack2010 said:James Henderson said:Bas2020 said:James Henderson said:packgrad said:
I wish we could turn off James green color when he posts about baseball because he clearly knows **** about the situation. I'm glad he can post his anecdotes and irrelevant outdated studies but it is tiresome and quite irksome to see his continuous support of the NCAA decision to **** State as an NC State website owner.
Just because I run a State website doesn't mean I have to believe State got screwed here. Trust me, I'll admit it for sure when it happens, ask the folks who get mad when I bring up officiating after losses.
In this situation though, I talk to people too, was familiar with the Ncaa's guidelines ahead of time, and we always don't have to agree.
It's okay to acknowledge at times when you have blame, and State does here for various issues. I'll either write up what I've heard or post it in a pod later.
But if tou want to be mad at the ncaa for enforcing the rules laid out to everyone ahead of time, go right ahead.
I think your missing the point that people think the rules are absurd as of June , 2021 , especially when they are allowing 30,000 fans . Not the selective enforcement of an already stupid rule .
Reid Johnston has 6 negative tests and couldn't play . That's a stupid rule if that's allowed to happen .
Have some flexibility . Don't have the same rules you had back in March . Use common sense . Not that hard to resolve fairly . Play the negative players . If your argument is tracing then that applies to Vandy also.
When was Reid tested 6 times? So far I've read/heard about once post-jarrett positive.My son had 6 negative test and could not play Friday.
— Katherine Johnston (@kljohnston5743) June 27, 2021
literally his mom
I'm not sure how that tweet answers my question.
of course not. you probably need 7 negative tests over the course of 14 days to prove youre right.
you really think his mom would talk about random testing during the season? come on man
No I'm saying I don't think Reid Johnston tested negative 6 times after justice tested positive or Jarrett testers positive or the other two players tested positive.
I don't know which of those players he was around the most for it to matter.
So again, why would negative tests prior to the other positive tests matter to the NCAA? If you are in contact tracing you have to string together negatives post-positive test exposure. That is why I asked when did he have all those negative results?
My son tested positive a full week after my daughter and he had 4 negatives in between.
So the entire NC State baseball team was in contact tracing but the entire Clemson football was not after Trevor Lawrence ?
How in the world does the NCAA know who was within 6 ft of player x for 15 or more minutes ? Did they go back and research dug out footage at 2am?
James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
wilmwolf80 said:
Here's my question, who is at risk if we play?
Can't be the other team. We aren't in contact six feet for fifteen minutes to trigger contact tracing despite having played Vanderbilt twice, right? If we were, they would be testing their vaccinated players right now, you know, for player safety.
Can't be the umpires. No word of them sending umps home despite officiating a game with our door "sick" vaccinated players Friday.
Definitely isn't the fans. Let's tweet out some attendance numbers some more! Show some guy drinking beer from a shoe in the stands. No masks required! No testing required! Don't care about those 22k folks once they've bought their tickets.
So, as far as I see it, the only people whose safety is at risk is our players. I wonder if those guys feel unsafe?
So, the rules are the rules. We agreed to it. Seems some of the things aren't being applied evenly, but whatever, rules is rules. Let's just drop the "player safety" charade.
Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
I think everybody's opinion right now is the NCAA screwed us because of player safety when everybody knows it wasn't that.Wolfpacklife said:Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
Exactly! What a forum is for. Heck it would be boring as hell if we all had the same opinions all the time
Correct. It depends on how "positive" is defined. If it means infected to the level they are contagious then it is likely they are not positive. If positive means "shedding" viral samples into their nostrils, but not at a viral load level to be contagious, then you could consider them "positive." Apparently, the NCAA is using the second definition to mean "positive." I have seen some infectious disease doctors post the following - "the more people who get vaccinated, the more vaccinated people who will test positive." I have repeated this quote several times recently.James Henderson said:Daviewolf83 said:I posted this in another thread, but it deserves posting here as well. Here is some detail as to the reason why I asked Kendall a question about the PCR test for vaccinated players (which he took time to answer). Per infectious disease doctor Dr. Monica Gandhi:sf59 said:
The stupidity of PCR testing asymptomatic- vaccinated players.
It's virology 101.
"Vaccinated people who aren't feeling sick might still trigger a positive COVID-19 test while their body fights off the virus, but aren't at risk of infecting others"
The quote comes from the following article:
Can Covid spread if you are vaccinated, have no symptoms, and test positive?
So is that why vaxed folks could be a positive? They can't "really" be a positive?
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Agreed. Though understandably, emotions very raw on this topic.Wolfpacklife said:Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
Exactly! What a forum is for. Heck it would be boring as hell if we all had the same opinions all the time
And though we disagree on the vaccine angle, I think we can agree to a large extent here...if not outright screwed, at a minimum, handled incorrectly or at least, too quickly. And I'm still perplexed at why when NCAA-mandated testing was required...they didnt delay at that point? It wasn't like we wanted it, or supposedly, even that Vandy wanted it; the NCAA asked for it. Seems like equitable time to perform it would be afforded.DrummerboyWolf said:I think everybody's opinion right now is the NCAA screwed us because of player safety when everybody knows it wasn't that.Wolfpacklife said:Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
Exactly! What a forum is for. Heck it would be boring as hell if we all had the same opinions all the time
MayorStoner said:
this feels 9/11-ish.
Wolfpacklife said:MayorStoner said:
this feels 9/11-ish.
Not really sure how this could possibly correlate to that.
James Henderson said:Daviewolf83 said:I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.James Henderson said:ecbwolf said:
James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.
Crazy how that works right?
Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.
I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.
That's a big reason why I like to engage, it's never personal, but I just can't ever agree with a person because he/she is a subscriber.
I'd hope subscribers wouldn't want that.
— Chris Creel (@chriscreel) June 28, 2021
I just meant the use of the term "timeline of events"...anytime I see that term in relation to a bad situation my mind goes there.WPNfamily said:Wolfpacklife said:MayorStoner said:
this feels 9/11-ish.
Not really sure how this could possibly correlate to that.
Totally with you. Someone needs to harness their emotions..
Daviewolf83 said:Correct. It depends on how "positive" is defined. If it means infected to the level they are contagious then it is likely they are not positive. If positive means "shedding" viral samples into their nostrils, but not at a viral load level to be contagious, then you could consider them "positive." Apparently, the NCAA is using the second definition to mean "positive." I have seen some infectious disease doctors post the following - "the more people who get vaccinated, the more vaccinated people who will test positive." I have repeated this quote several times recently.James Henderson said:Daviewolf83 said:I posted this in another thread, but it deserves posting here as well. Here is some detail as to the reason why I asked Kendall a question about the PCR test for vaccinated players (which he took time to answer). Per infectious disease doctor Dr. Monica Gandhi:sf59 said:
The stupidity of PCR testing asymptomatic- vaccinated players.
It's virology 101.
"Vaccinated people who aren't feeling sick might still trigger a positive COVID-19 test while their body fights off the virus, but aren't at risk of infecting others"
The quote comes from the following article:
Can Covid spread if you are vaccinated, have no symptoms, and test positive?
So is that why vaxed folks could be a positive? They can't "really" be a positive?
Throughout the pandemic, there have been serious questions regarding PCR testing and the CT threshold used to determine who is contagious. As I have mentioned in other threads and as it has been discussed extensively on the Coronavirus thread on the Water Cooler, there are many PCR testing experts that believe people are being counted as a positive case that are not contagious. For example, some people who are asymptomatic may have Covid in their system, but not to a level where they are contagious. I would be willing to bet money if the CT threshold used to test State's vaccinated players was higher than 30 that they are not contagious.
BreakPoint said:
So if we had beaten Vandy on Friday, would anything have changed? We still would have been DQ'd?
