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MCLAMB: The Final Step Is The Hardest To Take

November 20, 2017
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The expressions of the team were blank but also told a complicated story. 

The current NC State squad lost more than a game on Saturday. The Wolfpack lost a chance to be unique. 

There has been only one team in school history that won 10 games. This season’s unit will not be the second. 

Dave Doeren has done a solid job of finding ways to re-adjust goals as the current campaign has progressed -- not exactly a skill he likes having -- and he will probably have no trouble doing so after the loss to Wake Forest. 

The opportunity to be the first team in over two decades to win six ACC games and the first one to win nine overall in a season since 2010 still exists. 

There is also the motivation of smashing a rival on Senior Day, a victory that would give those outgoing players a winning record (3-1) against North Carolina while also leaving the program in a better standing than the Tar Heels going forward. 

The seniors have never beat UNC at home. Next Saturday will be their final chance. 

There is plenty left for the Wolfpack to play for this season but being a unique team in NC State’s history is no longer one of them. 

The western part of North Carolina has been unkind to the Wolfpack this season. Charlotte, also the scene of a bowl loss in 2015, and Winston-Salem both saw NC State win the statistical matchups but somehow lose the game. 

The Wolfpack will have many questions when looking back at the 2017 campaign. 

What would have happened if Nyheim Hines stayed healthy? How in the world did the team manage to struggle finding a reliable kicker for so long? Would Josh Jones have helped? 

There are plenty of questions but only speculation as answers. 

The NC State players that addressed the media after the loss were quiet. The responses were short. They have been down this road before but this particular portion of the journey appears to have cut deep. 

Outside of BB&T Field many other players, standing near the buses and conjugating with family and friends also had the same expression as others tried to console them.

The NC State seniors can look to Clemson, the one Atlantic team they were unable to vanquish in their career, for insight into how it has to be done in big games. 

Whether it was lining up to kick a game-winning field goal or leading at halftime with the opening kickoff coming their way to start the third quarter, the Wolfpack just could not do what it takes to close out the Tigers. 

When given a respite great teams will make their opposition pay and Clemson always did.

The Tigers will line up in Charlotte against Miami for the ACC title in a couple of weeks and the Hurricanes also have provided a blueprint. The Coastal champs have often snatched victory from defeat this season, and it has created the separation from being just simply a good team to being elite. 

Both Clemson and Miami are in the mix for a national title as well. The great teams always find a way and they are ready to pounce when they do. 

The inclination to lament how close they were to reaching a new level will be impossible to completely overcome for this NC State team. Time will heal wounds but there will likely always be a part within that wonders what could have been. 

Two of the four games lost were when the Wolfpack dominated everything but the scoreboard -- with another being an offensive statistical advantage in their favor. Three of the four games lost were with one of the best players hurt  

There is no such thing as a jinx. Leaning on that as an excuse is soft and lazy.

NC State lost because they could not make the plays that would have made the Wolfpack a unique team, whether it be from starters or backups. In a game of inches, they came up inches short. 

And so the current NC State group will have to settle for the chance to be one of several that have won nine games instead of one of the few that has won 10. 

The margin between great and elite is often small, yet profound. The time will come when the Wolfpack will get there. Perhaps Doeren will lead them to that point sooner rather than later. 

The final step can be the hardest one to make. Once again, it is the step where NC State came up short. 

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MCLAMB: The Final Step Is The Hardest To Take

6,374 Views | 8 Replies | Last: 7 yr ago by PackFansXL
TheWhiteWolf
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The problem is NC State is always missing that next step is DD the coach to make it though?
Bell Tower Grey
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TheWhiteWolf said:

The problem is NC State is always missing that next step is DD the coach to make it though?
I'm off the DD bandwagon. No, he is not.
Glasswolf
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Provide a name that we can get then figure on replacing at least 1/3 of the recruiting class we have. Start with Leary, Person and McNeil because they'll be the 1st 3 to decommit.

Also figure losing Richardson, Finley, Hines maybe several more.

So by all means go ahead and blow up the program.

I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.


Bell Tower Grey
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Glasswolf said:

Provide a name that we can get then figure on replacing at least 1/3 of the recruiting class we have. Start with Leary, Person and McNeil because they'll be the 1st 3 to decommit.

Also figure losing Richardson, Finley, Hines maybe several more.

So by all means go ahead and blow up the program.


Blow up the program? Really? Wow.

Glass, you know as well as anyone that if a coaching change occurs then there is always a chance for collateral damage (losing commits). There's not one name out there that could save the entire class unless perhaps it is Saban. Even then, there may be some that would flip.

I'm off the DD train. My first calls for a new coach would be to Scott Frost, Charlie Strong and Mike Houston.
TriangleDreamer
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I'm with Glass on this one. No matter how much we like to think so, we are not an elite destination for a football coach. DD has PLENTY of flaws, no disagreement there. But he also has built a program and culture that are now getting us some respectability. Want to lose that respectability faster than you can blink? Then fire the guy who's making actual progress here because he's not doing it fast enough to suit you.

College football is worse than anything else on the "grass is greener" scale. Yes, there's a possibility we could hire Frost or somebody else who'd come in here and hit the ground running. But far more likely is we would change and basically hit the reset button for another 4-5 years. The risk/reward is simply not enticing enough to do that. I do think it doesn't make sense to continue the extension talks but I also don't think DD deserves to be shown the door either.
"High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation." ~ Charles Kettering
PackFansXL
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Bell Tower Grey said:

Glasswolf said:

Provide a name that we can get then figure on replacing at least 1/3 of the recruiting class we have. Start with Leary, Person and McNeil because they'll be the 1st 3 to decommit.

Also figure losing Richardson, Finley, Hines maybe several more.

So by all means go ahead and blow up the program.


Blow up the program? Really? Wow.

Glass, you know as well as anyone that if a coaching change occurs then there is always a chance for collateral damage (losing commits). There's not one name out there that could save the entire class unless perhaps it is Saban. Even then, there may be some that would flip.

I'm off the DD train. My first calls for a new coach would be to Scott Frost, Charlie Strong and Mike Houston.
This line of thinking is straight out of the PP101 training manual. Burn that stupid thing and forget everything you learned over there. You are better than this. The Program is much better than this!

Charlie Strong?! Really?! His UT program was a complete train wreck. No idea how to recruit offensive players. No half time adjustments. Listen to a Charlie Strong press conference. His coordinators were terrible.

Remember, the Pack plays in one of the toughest divisions in college football. We were very close to exceptional results this year. We have a great recruiting class coming in. Our coaching staff makes good adjustments at halftime. Our players are improving during their time in Raleigh. We have back to back narrow losses to the reigning national champs. There is so much to be happy with when you get away from all the negativity and look at things objectively.
Cole's commandments:

1) You get out what you put in
2) Treat everyone the right way and stand for something
3) Never accept mediocrity in anything
TheWhiteWolf
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PackFansXL said:

Bell Tower Grey said:

Glasswolf said:

Provide a name that we can get then figure on replacing at least 1/3 of the recruiting class we have. Start with Leary, Person and McNeil because they'll be the 1st 3 to decommit.

Also figure losing Richardson, Finley, Hines maybe several more.

So by all means go ahead and blow up the program.


Blow up the program? Really? Wow.

Glass, you know as well as anyone that if a coaching change occurs then there is always a chance for collateral damage (losing commits). There's not one name out there that could save the entire class unless perhaps it is Saban. Even then, there may be some that would flip.

I'm off the DD train. My first calls for a new coach would be to Scott Frost, Charlie Strong and Mike Houston.
This line of thinking is straight out of the PP101 training manual. Burn that stupid thing and forget everything you learned over there. You are better than this. The Program is much better than this!

Charlie Strong?! Really?! His UT program was a complete train wreck. No idea how to recruit offensive players. No half time adjustments. Listen to a Charlie Strong press conference. His coordinators were terrible.

Remember, the Pack plays in one of the toughest divisions in college football. We were very close to exceptional results this year. We have a great recruiting class coming in. Our coaching staff makes good adjustments at halftime. Our players are improving during their time in Raleigh. We have back to back narrow losses to the reigning national champs. There is so much to be happy with when you get away from all the negativity and look at things objectively.
Is our ceiling going to be 8 wins then? This YEAR WAS OUR YEAR, when will DD have a better team? When will we have two top-10 picks on the roster, when will we have this much senior leadership? Is our goal only to be competitive in off years? DD was one of the best up and coming coaches and we took the chance on him, it just hasn't panned out. DD has started to build a culture sure so did Chuck problem is Chuck actually got 10 wins, culture is not the issue everyone knows State is a hardworking blue collar school. Coaching especially in game coaching is the issue, not calling for his head yet but what is DD ceiling at State?
PackFansXL
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I don't think 8 is the ceiling. Coach Doeren is doing some things much better than Amato did. His players are improving, his recruiting is well managed without the gaping holes in certain areas, his staff likes to work for him, and he is improving in both pre-game prep and in-game decision making. He has done all this without an All Pro NFL QB. We are well on our way to establishing Wolfpack football as a perennial contender in the ACC.
Cole's commandments:

1) You get out what you put in
2) Treat everyone the right way and stand for something
3) Never accept mediocrity in anything
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