Charlie Kirk shot

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GuerrillaPack said:

https://instagr.am/p/DOfTLBqjNq2

This is exactly why Charlie was assassinated. He was effective at what he was doing in changing the minds of the younger generation from the total indoctrination they were receiving at their colleges and universities.

He did not espouse or deliver hate speech. He delivered his Christian values in a direct and strong way. He encouraged males to act like men and not be ashamed of their conservative leanings.
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Bas2020 said:

Slightly Off topic but it looks like James Curle has been removed from Pack Pride podcast for his political postings. Add him to the list of thousands of democrats across the country who are being fired by their employer. Pay very close attention to what is happening at Clemson .

I hope they seek mental health counseling and learn some lesson as they look inward and reflect how on earth they allowed themselves to get to this point where they cheer on political violence and death .


Given the trillions of gallons of tears you guys have bawled about right wingers being censored on Facebook or Twitter for saying awful crap, I'm sure you'll be racing to this guy's defense.

Just kidding!
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wolf howl said:

Werewolf said:

soooooo, I wonder what happens next to ferment further violence and soon to be chaos? It's early, my friends....

My guess is when individuals not in the news, famous or anything but people living their lives with views that differ are attacked or killed is when it'll quickly escalate. That could certainly happen any day now with the vigils being held for Kirk across the country being targets of Antifa and other trash looking for a fight.


My daughter will be at a vigil in Lakeland Florida today and expressed concern for safety to attend. I told her she should be fine because Lakeland FL is in Polk County Polk county is the home of Grady Judd; Antifa won't be there causing trouble!!!!
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packofwolves said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

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Civilized said:

The about-face by all the Pub politicians who now want to pray for, rather than quickly and publicly execute, the shooter that turned out to be a straight white non-trans son of a sheriff from a family of staunch Trump-loving Republicans is wild, to say the least.

This post demonstrates exactly what is wrong with this country (the world today).

Civ you are not going to win this one, no matter what facts you have. But you consciously made the decision to come post to fan the flames. With social media, this is exactly what both sides do and then someone ends up getting killed and we want to blame everything but the common sense of people just making decisions not to fan the flames.

As an NC State graduate (my assumption) I would hope most know better. I use to think people are good, but questioning that every day now.

Keep up the fight!! SMH

Sorry man but given all the crazy **** and hateful **** that gets said on here and more importantly has been said by Don and Eric Trump and Musk on down to Nancy Mace and others the last couple of days, what makes you question the goodness of people is when someone has the audacity to point out on a political message board how irresponsible and inflammatory that same language on here and from our national leaders is, especially before the shooter is even caught and identified?

You mean crazy **** like calling the president Hitler and his supporters Nazis on a freaking daily basis? Your side is responsible for his death so spare me this bs.

Name me the national politicians that have called Trump Hitler.

I'll start:
JD Vance
RFK Jr.

Joe Biden has compared him to Hitler on numerous occasions so have countless other dems.


Talk about head in the sand, that describes Civ perfectly.


There could be a hand written letter addressed to Civ saying this was a political assassination signed, dated and notarized and he STILL would not call it what it is.
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Michael Savage not buying the story that this Robinson guy is the assassin. In the video supposedly of him jumping off the roof, no rifle is to be seen in his person…so we are to believe that he had disassembled it and packed it in his backpack, and we are told that the rifle was found fully assembled in the woods.

https://instagr.am/p/DOjJIjpjhft
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Bas2020 said:

Slightly Off topic but it looks like James Curle has been removed from Pack Pride podcast for his political postings. Add him to the list of thousands of democrats across the country who are being fired by their employer. Pay very close attention to what is happening at Clemson .

I hope they seek mental health counseling and learn some lesson as they look inward and reflect how on earth they allowed themselves to get to this point where they cheer on political violence and death .




Excellent news. What a piece of garbage that guy is.
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Bas2020 said:

Even CNN … CNN just debunked the leftist crazy theory .

They just had the Guardian writer on who confirmed on air that her sources and those interviewed that knew the shooter directly confirmed he was a devout leftist .


True…that means he's a republican!1
-Civ
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jkpackfan said:

We'll see if this ends up being true.




Definitely a Republican
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You guys know civ doesn't care about the truth. Dude is a straight propagandist.
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Gulfstream4 said:

jkpackfan said:

We'll see if this ends up being true.




Definitely a Republican

Yep this was all I needed to see to finally bring me around
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GuerrillaPack said:

Michael Savage not buying the story that this Robinson guy is the assassin. In the video supposedly of him jumping off the roof, no rifle is to be seen in his person…so we are to believe that he had disassembled it and packed it in his backpack, and we are told that the rifle was found fully assembled in the woods.

https://instagr.am/p/DOjJIjpjhft


I'm with Savage on this. I'm not sold on this kid being the trigger guy. He's part of it I'm sure but like Lee Harvey Oswald he's not the trigger guy. My hunch and the narrative doesnt add up

By the way, Sirhan Sirhan was in front of RFK as RFK walked in that direction. The fatal shot was from right behind RFK's head. Do your research.
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From the President all the way down, it's been comical how badly you guys want this to be a "Reichstag moment".

I mean you totally wanted to be peaceful while you were goose stepping behind Dear Leader feasting on the tears of anyone who cares about the Constitution, but *now* you might be forced to take up arms.

All you need is confirmation that he said he liked Biden one time and boom, global Librul conspiracy! Your hands are tied, "they" made you do it!
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wolf howl said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?



Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.


Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

I've not researched if this is true as far as the costumes go, but in context of this, it would be important to know when this happened. Before he went off to college or once he got there? Kids change, a lot, in college. They are very easily indoctrinated. College professors are FAR more likely to be Dems (GOP is single digit % of professors) so there's a lot more echo chamber liberalism happening on college campuses today then ever. Now, they're not afraid to do it openly either. Rarely happens that someone goes to college these days and becomes radical right.

Hopefully we get every bit of his online presence, his professors, groups he was in at school, etc. laid out so we can see where he went from seemingly normal to someone willing to murder another human because he didn't like words.

Far right guy isn't writing stupid ish on his bullets, much less far left fight songs.


Explore the college angle but I don't think he got indoctrinated at an electrician apprenticeship program.
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DrummerboyWolf said:


This is exactly why Charlie was assassinated. He was effective at what he was doing in changing the minds of the younger generation from the total indoctrination they were receiving at their colleges and universities.

He did not espouse or deliver hate speech. He delivered his Christian values in a direct and strong way. He encouraged males to act like men and not be ashamed of their conservative leanings.


Totally agree. I didn't watch a lot of Charlie's work while he was alive. But I've watched several clips of him the past few days, and he was extremely intelligent and articulate. And he was having a HUGE impact on young people. So, definitely, the he was a big threat to the Leftist agenda.

In addition to him being a big threat to the communist Left, he was starting to become more critical of the state of Israel (saying Epstein was working for Mossad, and blackmailing members of US Congress) and the influence of Jewish elites in the West ("promoting cultural Marxism", as he explicitly stated).

This is backfiring big time, regardless of whether Mossad killed him or some rando Leftist ******. Charlie is now a martyr, and his words and message are even more powerful, and it will create a thousand more conservative activists just like him, and win tens of millions of people over to the conservative-Christian cause.
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I like this guy; gonna follow this cat.
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Found this on Chief Nerd; Theo is spot on!
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Another Democrat Conspiracy theory bursts into flames

Dude was a far left democrat living with a trans

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https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-charlie-kirk-shot-assassination-3354b7ba0d736c198b454f77b3744308
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?



Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.


What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.
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packgrad said:




The leftist are hoping the illegals will do their fighting for them
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Bas2020 said:

Another Democrat Conspiracy theory bursts into flames

Dude was a far left democrat living with a trans


LOLOL. Nobody thought to mention this before?!?

This will either prove to be another loony bit of misinformation, or an absolutely crazy secret for him and the internet to have kept under wraps/not discovered for days as the entire world scoured the web looking for details about his life.
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Denver shooter : Trans
Aberdeen shooter : Trans
Nashville shooter : Trans
Philly shooter : Trans
Colorado Springs shooter : non binary
Iowa shooter : Trans
Minnesota shooter : gender fluid
Utah - Kirk shooter : Trans partner

The trans ideology is demonic and creates deadly radicals . Democrats pump up kids full of a cocktail of drugs and tries to convince youth with undeveloped brains that they are actually the opposite sex from their birth . We have Tim Walz type characters putting Tampons in boys bathrooms to make the mentally ill seem normal .





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Werewolf said:

Found this on Chief Nerd; Theo is spot on!



Sounds like he suspects some "dark and powerful people" were the ones behind Charlie's murder. Not some rando leftist patsy.

That's what I'm seeing from the majority of people on the accounts on social media that I follow.
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Bas2020 said:

Slightly Off topic but it looks like James Curle has been removed from Pack Pride podcast for his political postings. Add him to the list of thousands of democrats across the country who are being fired by their employer. Pay very close attention to what is happening at Clemson .

I hope they seek mental health counseling and learn some lesson as they look inward and reflect how on earth they allowed themselves to get to this point where they cheer on political violence and death .

He, along with R. Cory Smith are flaming liberals. A few years back RCS posted some pretty rough stuff "inadvertently" from his PP twitter instead of his personal one.

He was exposed and took it down after a hell of a lot of people called him and the site out for it.

Aside from being a real snarky doing bag he's also a typical liberal beta male.

I know a few here know him and hold his same political beliefs.

And that's all I'll say about that.

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Bas2020 said:

Denver shooter : Trans
Aberdeen shooter : Trans
Nashville shooter : Trans
Philly shooter : Trans
Colorado Springs shooter : non binary
Iowa shooter : Trans
Minnesota shooter : gender fluid
Utah - Kirk shooter : Trans partner

The trans ideology is demonic and creates deadly radicals . Democrats pump up kids full of a cocktail of drugs and tries to convince youth with undeveloped brains that they are actually the opposite sex from their birth . We have Tim Walz type characters putting Tampons in boys bathrooms to make the mentally ill seem normal .


Civ and the unc guy, who won't deny it by the way because he knows it's true, honestly believe men can get pregnant and chicks can have testicles.

Stupid is as stupid does.





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BBW12OG said:

Bas2020 said:

Slightly Off topic but it looks like James Curle has been removed from Pack Pride podcast for his political postings. Add him to the list of thousands of democrats across the country who are being fired by their employer. Pay very close attention to what is happening at Clemson .

I hope they seek mental health counseling and learn some lesson as they look inward and reflect how on earth they allowed themselves to get to this point where they cheer on political violence and death .

He, along with R. Cory Smith are flaming liberals. A few years back RCS posted some pretty rough stuff "inadvertently" from his PP twitter instead of his personal one.

He was exposed and took it down after a hell of a lot of people called him and the site out for it.

Aside from being a real snarky doing bag he's also a typical liberal beta male.

I know a few here know him and hold his same political beliefs.

And that's all I'll say about that.




Curle always did come across to me as a little too Beta and kind of effeminate.

Talk about mis-reading your target audience - red-blooded American men who are a very strong conservative lean. It's probably best if you are in a job like that to not make your political beliefs public. But especially if you are a pathetic soy boy Commie pansy.
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civ: he was MAGA

Police: He had anti fascist and trans writing on his rounds

Also Civ: he was a Republican

Kids parents: he became an Antifa supporter

Civ: it's clear he was MAGA

Friend: he became radical the last 2-3 years, was in the DSA.

Civ: yep…he's a republican

You're aware that Nick Fuentes and other alt-right extremist agitators and folks like Laura Loomer regularly called out Charlie Kirk as being fascist, right? That they viewed him as being too establishment and not right enough?

You're also aware that the slogans on the bullets are anti-trans, anti-gay slogans commonly used by followers of Fuentes?

And finally you're aware that Nick Fuentes himself came out yesterday denouncing and disavowing violence by his followers?

Fox News likely didn't mention any of this yesterday I bet but the biggest clue that this kid may not have been the rad-lib lefty convert you're making him out to be is the crickets from all the leaders and advisors that were so irresponsibly calling for civil war and crying about the radical left for a day and a half.

Think maybe that's a sign they think the call may have come from inside the building?

One of the bullets read "Hey fascist, catch". I guess msnbc must've left that one off. He was a leftist and I can't believe you're arguing otherwise but I shouldn't be surprised.

I guess the governor and his family are all lying.

"At a press conference announcing Robinson's arrest Friday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said a family member told investigators, "Robinson had become more political in recent years," and expressed dislike for Kirk, who Robinson said was "full of hate" and "spreading hate."
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
Along with a bolt-action rifle that was abandoned in a wooded area, investigators also recovered ammunition that bore various markings, according to authorities.
Engraving on one bullet casing in the rifle read, "Hey fascist! Catch!" according to Cox.
Other casings bore references to memes from online chat rooms, including "notices, bulges, OwO, what's this?" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO." One was etched with lyrics from an Italian antifascism song from World War II
When asked about the motive of the gunman, Cox suggested the "Hey fascist" marking clearly showed the gunman's intent: "I think that speaks for itself," he said."

Yep, go read about Fuentes' Groyper culture. Nearly a million of his followers get to listen to Fuentes regularly accuse Kirk of being a fascist.

And then listen to Fuentes disavow violence by his followers yesterday. That community thinks Robinson was quite possibly one of them.

All these slogans fit more neatly within that group than any other. Again, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-fascism is exactly what they're about.

Most shooters like this profile as young, white, disaffected, and without any coherent ideology.

But if you're taking bets, doesn't it seem somewhat more likely that a kid that grew up ensconced in right-wing culture and wore Trump Halloween costumes and loved guns and was raised in a very conservative church in a very conservative state went a few clicks further right, and found Fuentes, than he suddenly went twenty clicks left and suddenly fell into rad-lib extremism (which is also far less often violent)?

I mean anything is possible but which seems more probable?



Lmfao holy hell. I'm gonna do the board a favor and stop responding to **** like this.

As gulf mentioned, one of the bullets read bella ciao bella which is a song the global left has rallied around including antifa. I seriously can't believe this is where you're going.

There's a reason why no one at the top on the right is calling out the radical left today like they were two days ago. That's not coincidence.

They didn't suddenly find discretion and empathy.

I'd start there.

The "global left" is a nebulous boogeyman. What evidence or indication is there that this loon was a disciple of the "global left?"

What hard-core lefty writes "If you can read this you are gay" on a bullet?

What we do have is pictures of this clown wearing a Nick Fuentes Pepe the Frog costume and a Trump costume, and bullets that all referenced Nick Fuentes alt-right Groyper memes.

Maybe that means nothing but at this point circumstantial evidence ain't pointing towards this guy being a radlib.

Oh yes it definitely is. What hard core righty says I don't like Charlie Kirk because he says hurtful things? Or hey fascist catch? Yeah totally a right winger. How damn stupid this all is.

Nick Fuentes is who says that.

Go read about how much Nick Fuentes and his million followers hate Charlie Kirk.

I think we call agree that Nick Fuentes is a fringe, at best, character. Now, regarding the last 10-15 years… yea, I'm not doing that exercise; however, I have very little doubt that you and I would have different results.

so, in my previous post, results meant exactly as I said. The left ideological killings have been getting good results. Well, I say that, but Trump is still here…

Cv will eventually realize he can't win this argument as the most current political violence has been perpetrated by folks with an extreme left wing agenda. The quicker folks like him and to some respect me acknowledge that, the easier it is to address all the other whataboutism occurrences of violence.

But, when it boomerangs around, and it will someday, you've got to be willing to do the same thing.

Only then will the political and media landscape change for the better.


What are you talking about exactly?

For the three-year period 2022-2024 in the US, nearly all extremist murders were white nationalist or alt-right.

If you're talking about a relative increase in non-lethal, alt-left violence, that's a lot harder to quantify than fatal political violence, but the absolute rates of violence - certainly fatal violence - by alt-left and alt-right groups does not tip towards "most being perpetrated by folks with an extreme left-wing agenda" by any quantification I've seen, from any source.

I think people that make that erroneous assumption are conflating "acts perpetrated against the right" and "acts perpetrated by the left" and leaning into recency bias because of the Trump attempts and now Kirk. They continue repeating erroneous information like the attempts against Trump or the Minnesota lawmakers were perpetrated by the left, which is demonstrably false, and leaving out the large proportion of bad actors for whom there is no discernible, coherent political ideology motivating them.

Y'all feel free to share any data to the contrary.

If you can't acknowledge the extremism problem on your own side, you'll do nothing to make it better. It has nothing to do with data. Until you start with this, you're never going to change the opinion.

It's my opinion that those on the lefter side of the Democratic Party are a lot quicker to label large swaths of the population they don't agree with a broad brush of all kinds of evil labels. That has an impact that trickles down all the way to the rabbit holes that radicalized these shooters. Gotta be willing to clean your own house first.


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Bas2020 said:









More American flags in those foreign rallies than ANY Democrat rally here in the States. Just think about that for a minute.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Bas2020 said:









More American flags in those foreign rallies than ANY Democrat rally here in the States. Just think about that for a minute.
And just think, all these non Americans thinking America is great. Would be nice if there was a functioning legal system to allow them to come and be a part of it.
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excellent observation!
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Bas2020 said:



The least surprising thing of this entire week is a link to trans. That's the most mentally ill people out there and responsible for nearly all recent shootings. But some on here will still say Robinson was a conservative.

 
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