TBJ: NC State freezes hiring as Trump cuts spark funding fears

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3:32p, 2/14/25
If this belongs on Water Cooler please move. Unrelated I heard yesterday from what I would consider a good source that our WBB staff will not go to NABC unless we make the FF, due to expense controls in the athletics department.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2025/02/14/nc-state-pauses-hiring-trump-cuts-nih-funding.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=RA&ana=e_RA_BN&j=38624748&senddate=2025-02-14
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3:54p, 2/14/25
Good…. Give me my tax money back. If universities are to be subsidized then they shouldn't charge $50K. Year to attend. Either be private or public, not both.
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In reply to Acb0110 • 4:30p, 2/14/25
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.
Y'all means ALL.
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In reply to PackBacker07 • 4:36p, 2/14/25
PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.


Are you kidding me? This place is worst then the Water Cooler, at times…

I think State Universities should be self supportive or State supported. The Federal Government shouldn't be part of the equation…
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4:36p, 2/14/25
We should raise money for anything Wes needs. I'll donate
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In reply to caryking • 4:55p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.


Are you kidding me? This place is worst then the Water Cooler, at times…

I think State Universities should be self supportive or State supported. The Federal Government shouldn't be part of the equation…


Without Federal money, a lot of state universities would suffer dearly , including NCSU. Cutbacks by the state legislature for 2025 is already happening. Just a fact of operation.
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5:21p, 2/14/25
The US government has $36.5 Trillion in debt and spending cuts must occur. Even if they taxed the 1% at 100% this would only fund US Government for less than six months.

If NC State, a state institution, has to freeze hiring then so be it.

AS for WBB going to NABC the annual Day of Giving is coming up in March, they could put up a link then.
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In reply to FourOaksWolf • 5:27p, 2/14/25
FourOaksWolf said:
caryking said:
PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.


Are you kidding me? This place is worst then the Water Cooler, at times…

I think State Universities should be self supportive or State supported. The Federal Government shouldn't be part of the equation…


Without Federal money, a lot of state universities would suffer dearly , including NCSU. Cutbacks by the state legislature for 2025 is already happening. Just a fact of operation.
It is what it is…. Start acting like a responsible University and balance your budget. This is no different than a business bailout. The country is broke (35T plus in debt) and people, business, and academics, need to figure things out, on their own…
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5:28p, 2/14/25
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
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In reply to Ncstatefan01 • 5:30p, 2/14/25
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
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In reply to caryking • 5:32p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
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In reply to Ncstatefan01 • 5:43p, 2/14/25
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
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In reply to caryking • 5:44p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
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In reply to Ncstatefan01 • 5:53p, 2/14/25
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
Not triggered and/or offended…

Please consider your hypocrisy..

" I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!

Then you follow it up with…

"I never post or go over there."

If you never go and post over there, how can you know it's a mess? You can't! So, either you are a liar or a person that follows the crowd and regurgitates talking points…
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In reply to caryking • 5:55p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
Not triggered and/or offended…

Please consider your hypocrisy..

" I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!

Then you follow it up with…

"I never post or go over there."

If you never go and post over there, how can you know it's a mess? You can't! So, either you are a liar or a person that follows the crowd and regurgitates talking points…
You seem triggered. I'm sorry.
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In reply to Ncstatefan01 • 5:57p, 2/14/25
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
Not triggered and/or offended…

Please consider your hypocrisy..

" I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!

Then you follow it up with…

"I never post or go over there."

If you never go and post over there, how can you know it's a mess? You can't! So, either you are a liar or a person that follows the crowd and regurgitates talking points…
You seem triggered. I'm sorry.
You love projecting…. I'm sorry you are that way…
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In reply to caryking • 6:00p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
Not triggered and/or offended…

Please consider your hypocrisy..

" I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!

Then you follow it up with…

"I never post or go over there."

If you never go and post over there, how can you know it's a mess? You can't! So, either you are a liar or a person that follows the crowd and regurgitates talking points…
You seem triggered. I'm sorry.
You love projecting…. I'm sorry you are that way…


Okie dokie it's amazing that me just asking this to be moved to another forum provoked such a reaction from you. This will be my final response on the matter, and I hope you're ok. I worry about people like you.
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In reply to Acb0110 • 6:01p, 2/14/25
Acb0110 said:
Good…. Give me my tax money back. If universities are to be subsidized then they shouldn't charge $50K. Year to attend. Either be private or public, not both.


No public universities in NC are 50k. State and unc are about the same for tuition and fees @ around 9k. Tuition has remained the same for at least 4 years and I believe is locked in once you enroll for 4-5 years. Room and board are what they are. All in if you're on campus is about $33k. Not sneezing at 33k but that's not $50k and other state schools are less. No it's not $700 like when I was in school but houses don't cost 50k, new cars aren't 5k and you can't get a meat and 3 for $2.50 either.
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In reply to Ncstatefan01 • 6:15p, 2/14/25
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
caryking said:
Ncstatefan01 said:
Please move this to water cooler--thanks!
This is the water cooler! Too many grandstanders don't realize that they are far worse, on the sports boards, than the water cooler. Self reflection, please…
I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!
Are you the poster that people make fun of?
I don't think so. I never post or go over there. Sorry if I offended/triggered you. My bad.
Not triggered and/or offended…

Please consider your hypocrisy..

" I just think this is better suited for the water cooler and will be enjoyed by those that frequent that mess. Thanks!

Then you follow it up with…

"I never post or go over there."

If you never go and post over there, how can you know it's a mess? You can't! So, either you are a liar or a person that follows the crowd and regurgitates talking points…
You seem triggered. I'm sorry.
You love projecting…. I'm sorry you are that way…


Okie dokie it's amazing that me just asking this to be moved to another forum provoked such a reaction from you. This will be my final response on the matter, and I hope you're ok. I worry about people like you.


You could have made this easy on yourself by just saying…. You're a liar or I'm sorry, I did contradict myself…

BTW, I'm 59 and really have no idea what being triggered feels like. Perhaps that a thing for your age group?? I don't know how old you are…

Now, think about how amazing one must be that they just can't move on from a thread and feel they need to comment…. That's been my point the whole time. Perhaps, I'm a little over your head…

So, I agree, we can move on…
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In reply to James Hale • 6:18p, 2/14/25
James Hale said:
We should raise money for anything Wes needs. I'll donate


I say this in all seriousness. Wes needs a strong 6'2 - 6'4 PF/ #4 to replace Madison for next season. Contribute to WBB NIL to help with this need. Yes they should go up the annual coaches conference. But we got to have a stronger WBB NIL to stay competitive with other P4 schools. That is a priority for what Wes needs for next season. Go Pack !
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6:30p, 2/14/25
Hey, it made over to the place some call a mess…
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In reply to caryking • 7:17p, 2/14/25
caryking said:
FourOaksWolf said:
caryking said:
PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.


Are you kidding me? This place is worst then the Water Cooler, at times…

I think State Universities should be self supportive or State supported. The Federal Government shouldn't be part of the equation…


Without Federal money, a lot of state universities would suffer dearly , including NCSU. Cutbacks by the state legislature for 2025 is already happening. Just a fact of operation.
It is what it is…. Start acting like a responsible University and balance your budget. This is no different than a business bailout. The country is broke (35T plus in debt) and people, business, and academics, need to figure things out, on their own…
fundamentally, there are a lot of things that Universities can do to be more efficient. Does every department need its own building that only gets used 25% of the time?

But, there is still a purpose for federally driven things in education to push research and development. It's foolish to not make that investment as a country when all of our enemies do it.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 7:46p, 2/14/25
hokiewolf said:
caryking said:
FourOaksWolf said:
caryking said:
PackBacker07 said:
I'm not going to venture into, nor turn this into the cesspool that is the Water Cooler, but University budgets/spending and the cost of attendance aren't a 1:1 correlation. Cutting over $200M from universities in this state is not what I would consider positive.


Are you kidding me? This place is worst then the Water Cooler, at times…

I think State Universities should be self supportive or State supported. The Federal Government shouldn't be part of the equation…


Without Federal money, a lot of state universities would suffer dearly , including NCSU. Cutbacks by the state legislature for 2025 is already happening. Just a fact of operation.
It is what it is…. Start acting like a responsible University and balance your budget. This is no different than a business bailout. The country is broke (35T plus in debt) and people, business, and academics, need to figure things out, on their own…
fundamentally, there are a lot of things that Universities can do to be more efficient. Does every department need its own building that only gets used 25% of the time?

But, there is still a purpose for federally driven things in education to push research and development. It's foolish to not make that investment as a country when all of our enemies do it.
Universities need professors back in the classroom. They need to quit worrying about being published, pier reviewed, etc…. I'm still a believer that alumni, businesses, Private Equity, etc… can fund research.

And… yes, I'm confident every University can tighten their belt and become more efficient…
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11:05a, 2/15/25
All you need to do is look at a line graph of administration role growth over the past 30 years to spot the issue with public institutions. No different than the federal government where it's constant add, add add and never trim or lean it out. Ever. It should be run like a publicly traded company, every 18 months you trim the bottom 18% or so of lowest performers/low ROI roles.
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In reply to wolf howl • 12:16p, 2/15/25
wolf howl said:
All you need to do is look at a line graph of administration role growth over the past 30 years to spot the issue with public institutions. No different than the federal government where it's constant add, add add and never trim or lean it out. Ever. It should be run like a publicly traded company, every 18 months you trim the bottom 18% or so of lowest performers/low ROI roles.
yes that's what should happen, unfortunately that's not what the law cuts are going to accomplish. I'm interested to see how folks are going to deal with Pell Grants and HSBCUs. Guess we just close them.
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In reply to caryking • 12:43p, 2/15/25
You humiliated him and a job very well done!!!
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In reply to Werewolf • 1:42p, 2/15/25
Werewolf said:
You humiliated him and a job very well done!!!


Thank You!
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In reply to hokiewolf • 6:01p, 2/15/25
hokiewolf said:
wolf howl said:
All you need to do is look at a line graph of administration role growth over the past 30 years to spot the issue with public institutions. No different than the federal government where it's constant add, add add and never trim or lean it out. Ever. It should be run like a publicly traded company, every 18 months you trim the bottom 18% or so of lowest performers/low ROI roles.
yes that's what should happen, unfortunately that's not what the law cuts are going to accomplish. I'm interested to see how folks are going to deal with Pell Grants and HSBCUs. Guess we just close them.
I think the popular talking point is to go extreme and say things like that versus cutting waste. That's what all of MSM is doing around doge right now. Surely no one believes there's not waste in the government, including within the DOE? At the end of the day, useful and actual beneficial programs likely won't be cut but you might see a LOT less administration which is desperately needed.
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In reply to wolf howl • 6:06p, 2/15/25
wolf howl said:
hokiewolf said:
wolf howl said:
All you need to do is look at a line graph of administration role growth over the past 30 years to spot the issue with public institutions. No different than the federal government where it's constant add, add add and never trim or lean it out. Ever. It should be run like a publicly traded company, every 18 months you trim the bottom 18% or so of lowest performers/low ROI roles.
yes that's what should happen, unfortunately that's not what the law cuts are going to accomplish. I'm interested to see how folks are going to deal with Pell Grants and HSBCUs. Guess we just close them.
I think the popular talking point is to go extreme and say things like that versus cutting waste. That's what all of MSM is doing around doge right now. Surely no one believes there's not waste in the government, including within the DOE? At the end of the day, useful and actual beneficial programs likely won't be cut but you might see a LOT less administration which is desperately needed.
oh I agree, I think that the avenue of taking a wood chipper to a budget when a meat cleaver is just as fine will have unintended future consequences
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6:28p, 2/15/25
"We the People" have spoken!
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In reply to caryking • 6:33p, 2/15/25
caryking said:
Werewolf said:
You humiliated him and a job very well done!!!


Thank You!
Tsk, tsk! Just because the Walmart fans of the sports forums are intimidated by the lofty intellectual discussions of the WC and sneer at it in their bumpkin disdain, doesn't justify treating them as anything but the rubes that they are…oh, wait…never mind.
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 6:36p, 2/15/25
Oldsouljer said:
caryking said:
Werewolf said:
You humiliated him and a job very well done!!!


Thank You!
Tsk, tsk! Just because the Walmart fans of the sports forums are intimidated by the lofty intellectual discussions of the WC and sneer at it in their bumpkin disdain, doesn't justify treating them as anything but the rubes that they are…oh, wait…never mind.
Try this one on for size, my friend.
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10:35p, 2/15/25
For "the Marxist and Don't Know It" that ventured over to the WC with this thread. And I've got a 2nd one for ya, just below.

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