Estimates that these will be the costliest fires in U.S. history, with over $200 billion in losses. And possibly the costliest "natural" disaster in U.S. history.

There are actually several residents who saved their homes (in areas annihilated by fires) by simply spraying water on their yards and houses with garden hoses. This proves that the fires could have been controlled and many, if not most homes saved if there was a competent fire department, and the fire hydrants had enough water. But the fire department basically did nothing and many fire hydrants had no water.

There are reports/videos of arsonists being spotted and arrested around the time the fires started and were blazing.

Of course, many people are now speculating and finding evidence that this goes beyond "incompetence" and "negligence", and that this may have been done on purpose and allowed to happen, citing numerous factors -- including reservoirs that served the fire hydrants not having water, cuts in the fire department funding in the months/years before these L.A. fires, evidence that the fire department "stood down". People are talking about plans to make L.A. a "15 minute city", and comparing this fire to the suspicious fire that destroyed the town of Lahaina in Maui in 2023.

Examples of two residents who saved their homes by defying evacuation orders and spraying their homes and yards with garden hoses. And these houses were not in areas that did not have big fires or much damage. These homes were right in the middle of areas that were wiped out.

This clearly demonstrates that these fires could have been contained and many homes saved if the fire hydrants were working properly and had enough water.

Freudian slip?

Mark Pestrella, Director of LA County Public Works, says at a press conference "before we started these fires"


https://instagr.am/p/DEzytcFuREA

This man, Joe Imbriano aka "The Fullerton Informer", is one of the more popular so-called "conspiracy theorists" on YouTube. Some of the things he talks about may seem "out there" to people new to this type of information, but IMO he's extremely "on point" on most things.

He has lived in Fullerton California for many years, which is just a few miles outside of Los Angeles. He believes that these fires were deliberately set and allowed to happen by the "Establishment" aka "powers that be". He released a few videos over the past few days covering the fires on his channel. Here is a video he released today where he covers what he believes to be the the way in which this was done.

He specifically says that "that place could have been saved had everyone stayed at their homes and fought the fires with their garden hoses" (see at 29:00 in video). Instead, Los Angeles issued an evacuation order, and most people left their homes. And then the fire department never showed up to fight the fires.

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Hard to stick around and fight a raging inferno with a garden hose though. Glad a few were able to survive doing that and tell the story but certainly not something anyone should do and expect to live.

There's clear negligence by local and state leaders here.

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Well those guys lived, and their houses were "islands" in a sea of houses that were destroyed. They lived with fires raging all around them. I agree with you that it would take a lot of courage to do it. Because most people would think that they would die, from the heat or smoke. However, this demonstrates that this is not the case. Most of what was burning in these neighborhoods was the houses themselves. Not a ton of vegetation. So while the next door neighbor's house might be on fire, if you are standing say 30-40 feet away from that burning house, you will be ok. Also, one or both of these guys actually sprayed down their neighbor's houses with water as well...one of them had a hose that was over 100 ft in length. So, if his neighbor's house was not burning because he hosed it down, then he was further "insulated" from the fires and not in as much danger to being burned and dying from smoke inhalation.

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wolf howl said:

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Hard to stick around and fight a raging inferno with a garden hose though. Glad a few were able to survive doing that and tell the story but certainly not something anyone should do and expect to live.

There's clear negligence by local and state leaders here.

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Well those guys lived, and their houses were "islands" in a sea of houses that were destroyed. They lived with fires raging all around them. I agree with you that it would take a lot of courage to do it. Because most people would think that they would die, from the heat or smoke. However, this demonstrates that this is not the case. Most of what was burning in these neighborhoods was the houses themselves. Not a ton of vegetation. So while the next door neighbor's house might be on fire, if you are standing say 30-40 feet away from that burning house, you will be ok. Also, one or both of these guys actually sprayed down their neighbor's houses with water as well...one of them had a hose that was over 100 ft in length. So, if his neighbor's house was not burning because he hosed it down, then he was further "insulated" from the fires and not in as much danger to being burned and dying from smoke inhalation.

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Yes, those guys lived and saved their house, but many didn't that tried the same thing.
https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/01/10/man-holding-garden-hose-father-his-sons-bedside-are-among-la-wildfire-victims/

There is an article about a man found dead in his yard with his garden hose still in his hands. I'm happy for the folks that survived and saved their house, but let's not act like there wouldn't have been way more casualties if everyone stayed around to try and fight the fires themselves.

My question is... so let's say you lived in the Palisades, and you saved your home... what in the world is your home worth now, and would you even want to live there?

No schools. No stores. No neighbors. Destruction all around you and no access to any local amenities. It's going to take YEARS before you have any of that stuff built back up, and that's assuming folks/businesses want to invest in that area knowing they're extremely unlikely to get insurance moving forward or even loans from financial institutions to rebuild.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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wolf howl said:

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Hard to stick around and fight a raging inferno with a garden hose though. Glad a few were able to survive doing that and tell the story but certainly not something anyone should do and expect to live.

There's clear negligence by local and state leaders here.

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Well those guys lived, and their houses were "islands" in a sea of houses that were destroyed. They lived with fires raging all around them. I agree with you that it would take a lot of courage to do it. Because most people would think that they would die, from the heat or smoke. However, this demonstrates that this is not the case. Most of what was burning in these neighborhoods was the houses themselves. Not a ton of vegetation. So while the next door neighbor's house might be on fire, if you are standing say 30-40 feet away from that burning house, you will be ok. Also, one or both of these guys actually sprayed down their neighbor's houses with water as well...one of them had a hose that was over 100 ft in length. So, if his neighbor's house was not burning because he hosed it down, then he was further "insulated" from the fires and not in as much danger to being burned and dying from smoke inhalation.

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Yes, those guys lived and saved their house, but many didn't that tried the same thing.
https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/01/10/man-holding-garden-hose-father-his-sons-bedside-are-among-la-wildfire-victims/

There is an article about a man found dead in his yard with his garden hose still in his hands. I'm happy for the folks that survived and saved their house, but let's not act like there wouldn't have been way more casualties if everyone stayed around to try and fight the fires themselves.

My question is... so let's say you lived in the Palisades, and you saved your home... what in the world is your home worth now, and would you even want to live there?

No schools. No stores. No neighbors. Destruction all around you and no access to any local amenities. It's going to take YEARS before you have any of that stuff built back up, and that's assuming folks/businesses want to invest in that area knowing they're extremely unlikely to get insurance moving forward or even loans from financial institutions to rebuild.

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Yes. I would absolutely want to keep the house I paid/was paying for. Starting over from zero isn't for everybody.

Oh I wouldn't want to lose all of my stuff either, but I just wonder what life is like for those folks the next few years.

Constant clean-up/construction around your home. Messed up roads, no schools, no hospitals, no stores, no restaurants, etc. Your home is un-insurable and no clue what happens to your property value. On one-hand it's a home and housing is non-existent in that area for the most part now, but at the same time, are folks likely to be rushing to live in that area again, or are folks going to mass exodus out of the area? Will be really interesting to see how it plays out for them.

This is the communist way, to INTENTIONALLY destroy a nation.

Bankrupt the government and nation, sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and Israel and spending hundreds of billions to fly and bus illegal aliens all over the country and then pay for "free" housing/food/etc for them.

And then use that deliberate overspending, debt and financial crisis as the "excuse" to cut funding of critical needs of the American people that our tax dollars should be paying for.

"Oooops" FEMA doesn't have money to help the people of western North Carolina wiped out by Hurricane Helene, because they spent billions of the FEMA money to aid millions of illegal aliens invading our country.

"Oooops" we don't have the money to adequately fund critical fire departments because California Democrats have bankrupted the state spending billions to fund illegal aliens in the state.

https://instagr.am/p/DE52196P5ce

Pages 1-3 and 5 on original tweet. Scroll down on the tweet thread for page 4 of the letter. Pretty scathing rebuke.

Page 4 is missing

— Calzo17 (@calzo017) January 17, 2025

This is the most interesting video of the fires that I've seen…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE2UV2gPEGy/?igsh=dWRrZ2hobzBiYnhl

I hate for them but most of those people in L.A. voted for the woke/left politicians and city leaders that caused a bad situation to get much worse.

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I hate for them but most of those people in L.A. voted for the woke/left politicians and city leaders that caused a bad situation to get much worse.

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The video, above, will show this as an ongoing problem for LA.

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Yup. I watched it.

As California burns...........

A huge fire now at Vista Power Plant in Moss Landing, CA. This facility is the largest lithium battery storage in the world. If the batteries are destroyed, California’s power grid will be more difficult to stabilize during peak solar times. What’s Gavin Newsom going to do? pic.twitter.com/pNIYplXiGp

— sumit 🇮🇳 (@sumit45678901) January 17, 2025

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I read that they hardly ever do prescribed burns around there. It's as if they wanted this to happen

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They do zero forestry management, prescribed burns or any type of preventative work. They won't even use sea water to fill the water tankers for fear of the environment. LOL

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That last might be a legitimate concern. Deliberate soil salinization is a problem around the globe and should not be lightly considered as desirable solution. Particularly to a problem that could have been prevented by other means.

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I read that they hardly ever do prescribed burns around there. It's as if they wanted this to happen

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They do zero forestry management, prescribed burns or any type of preventative work. They won't even use sea water to fill the water tankers for fear of the environment. LOL

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That last might be a legitimate concern. Deliberate soil salinization is a problem around the globe and should not be lightly considered as desirable solution. Particularly to a problem that could have been prevented by other means.

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What other means would you suggest battling an out of control fire scorching billions of dollars in property and land? Put the fire out, stop with the nonsense.

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I read that they hardly ever do prescribed burns around there. It's as if they wanted this to happen

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They do zero forestry management, prescribed burns or any type of preventative work. They won't even use sea water to fill the water tankers for fear of the environment. LOL

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That last might be a legitimate concern. Deliberate soil salinization is a problem around the globe and should not be lightly considered as desirable solution. Particularly to a problem that could have been prevented by other means.

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What other means would you suggest battling an out of control fire scorching billions of dollars in property and land? Put the fire out, stop with the nonsense.

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Call me crazy but I would start with NOT electing woke left wing wackos who divert gazillions of gallons of water to the ocean to save a minnow?

Also, cutting the fire budget (to spend money on illegals), incompetent DEI hires and poor forestry management are probably bad ideas too.

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Yes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I'll make this comparison here.

2020 & 2024 Elections:

• Distractions - drop boxes, double counting votes, blocking poll watchers etc.
• Significant fraud - digital from Serbia location by CCP, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran & Soros/WEF elements

LA, Lahaina & Paradise fires:

• Distractions - arsonists and infiltrating terrorists setting fires
• Significant cause - DEW's by WEF elements & CCP & possibly incl Iran as an accomplice

By the way, I missed this. What's a "directed energy weapon"? Yepper, what is it?

BREAKING: CIA Whistleblower Comes Forward

Former Intelligence Officer Claims Career Ending Injuries Caused By Foreign Directed Energy Weapon

Leaked Defense Department Letter Acknowledges Injuries and Experiences “Are Real”

“It’s a Cover Up...It Should Be Terrifying for All… pic.twitter.com/e9FgUwYmss

— Catherine Herridge (@C__Herridge) December 30, 2024

Retracted….

One EV fire truck (that takes 10 hours to charge) is too many

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Yet another reason why electric vehicles are trash…

https://instagr.am/p/DFCKnM3RHl1

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you're as worse as Ware. I know for a FACT Los Angeles has exactly ONE electric fire engine. It runs out of Station 82.