It's never a good time for a strike; however, this couldn't happen at as worse time for the 2024 elections…
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Port Strikes
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Hard to say what if any impacts on the election. If the strike lingers for a while and people start to feel the impact maybe?
It's all about the length of time…. There are a ton of imports coming in through those ports, that affect many goods, including some food.ncsupack1 said:
Hard to say what if any impacts on the election. If the strike lingers for a while and people start to feel the impact maybe?
I know Stitch receives goods through those ports. This is a big deal for us and I'm confident this is a big deal for a lot of industries…
The Teamsters Head told the Biden Admin to stay out of the way. That's interesting especially considering the Teamsters did not endorse Harris.
It wont take long for people to notice this if it continues more than the next few daysncsupack1 said:
Hard to say what if any impacts on the election. If the strike lingers for a while and people start to feel the impact maybe?
I work in imports/exports. This is gonna get nasty really quick.
To reroute a ship to the west coast and then rail/haul these containers across the country will take at least a month.
This is a failure on Biden's part because it's the presidents job to mediate between both sides.
The ILA and USMX haven't spoke since JUNE! I was aware of this coming but was hoping the president would get involved. Kept waiting but saw it was more and more likely that he wouldn't considering his relationship with Daggert.
Couldn't have happened at a worse time. Especially as we l ourselves in our state are going through a time where critical supplies are needed.
To reroute a ship to the west coast and then rail/haul these containers across the country will take at least a month.
This is a failure on Biden's part because it's the presidents job to mediate between both sides.
The ILA and USMX haven't spoke since JUNE! I was aware of this coming but was hoping the president would get involved. Kept waiting but saw it was more and more likely that he wouldn't considering his relationship with Daggert.
Couldn't have happened at a worse time. Especially as we l ourselves in our state are going through a time where critical supplies are needed.
Everyone saw this coming for months and Biden/Harris did nothing.
I dont think either side is in the right here.
Their "demands" are unreasonable. 77% raise and a guarantee of no automation? So they want to be paid more to be intentionally inefficient.
"I will cripple you, and you have no idea what that means. Nobody does."
— Brother Mikey (@BrotherMikeyX) September 30, 2024
Harold Dagget, Chief Negotiator for the International Longshoremen Association, threatens to cripple the US economy with IMMINENT port strike.
In a recent interview, Harold explains the impact of what will… pic.twitter.com/ImySIQrXoy
Their "demands" are unreasonable. 77% raise and a guarantee of no automation? So they want to be paid more to be intentionally inefficient.
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
Agree, plus the guys statement about people going out of business.FlossyDFlynt said:If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
What has changed, throughout history, that makes them redundant?FlossyDFlynt said:If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
I know you didn't ask me but for one the department of labor and OSHA. When I worked for a company that was union, I told myself never again. I also think Mine safety and health?caryking said:What has changed, throughout history, that makes them redundant?FlossyDFlynt said:If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
Basically what ncsupack1 said. Id throw the federal minimum wage in as well. These departments/laws cover what unions were fighting for back in the dayncsupack1 said:I know you didn't ask me but for one the department of labor and OSHA. When I worked for a company that was union, I told myself never again. I also think Mine safety and health?caryking said:What has changed, throughout history, that makes them redundant?FlossyDFlynt said:If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
I forgot about the federal minimum wage.FlossyDFlynt said:Basically what ncsupack1 said. Id throw the federal minimum wage in as well. These departments/laws cover what unions were fighting for back in the dayncsupack1 said:I know you didn't ask me but for one the department of labor and OSHA. When I worked for a company that was union, I told myself never again. I also think Mine safety and health?caryking said:What has changed, throughout history, that makes them redundant?FlossyDFlynt said:If you look at the negotiations without any of the politics attached to it, I wouldnt blame Biden for telling them to kick rocks. In fact, Id be all for him telling them to learn to code. A 77% pay raise is insane, as is the stipulation for no automation.ncsupack1 said:I'm somewhat surprised as well, but some the demands are just crazy. If this things drags on, things may change.FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Its a perfect summation of why I am generally against unions. They have had their place throughout history, but they are redundant in today's age.
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Who do you think is advocating for government to step in?southernpackalistic said:
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Everyone saw this coming for months and Biden/Harris did nothing.caryking said:Who do you think is advocating for government to step in?southernpackalistic said:
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Gulfstream4
11:14a
Yep, he did say the admin knew about this and did nothing…ncsupack1 said:Everyone saw this coming for months and Biden/Harris did nothing.caryking said:Who do you think is advocating for government to step in?southernpackalistic said:
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Gulfstream4
11:14a
I don't have a real issue with Unions. That said, I'll never understand people wanting to collective bargain as opposed to negotiating on their own.
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
It is what it is…ncsupack1 said:I get it. This isn't good for the average American.caryking said:Yep, he did say the admin knew about this and did nothing…ncsupack1 said:Everyone saw this coming for months and Biden/Harris did nothing.caryking said:Who do you think is advocating for government to step in?southernpackalistic said:
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Gulfstream4
11:14a
Yupcaryking said:It is what it is…ncsupack1 said:I get it. This isn't good for the average American.caryking said:Yep, he did say the admin knew about this and did nothing…ncsupack1 said:Everyone saw this coming for months and Biden/Harris did nothing.caryking said:Who do you think is advocating for government to step in?southernpackalistic said:
lol….small government conservatives wanting the federal government to step in. Never change.
Gulfstream4
11:14a
Seems to me that this is a gift from Heaven for a guy who might want to stick it to Pelosi and company. Between that and the Teamsters telling him to chill, why shouldn't he sit it out on a Delaware beach with a demented ear -to-ear smile?FlossyDFlynt said:Given how close we are to the election, I am shocked Biden didnt invoke Taft-Hartley. People will start to notice the downstream effect of this strike within days, not weeks. And itll only get worse the longer it goes, which would not be good for the DemocratsFinsUp said:
Biden staying out in hopes of incentivizing union workers. Union heads making a cash grab before a potential Trump administration as they feel Trump would almost certainly invoke Taft-Hartley.
Wonder if this means the internal polls look bad for Harris.
Ill admit my interactions with unions shapes some of my view on them. If I go to a client that has a union involved with their staff, I am inevitably going to end up with more road blocks, more bureaucracy, and things in general are going to take much longer to be accomplished.caryking said:
I don't have a real issue with Unions. That said, I'll never understand people wanting to collective bargain as opposed to negotiating on their own.
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
I've only supervised Union personnel one time and in a peculiar situation, so I haven't had your experience. Essentially, my outfit was a mixed bag of uniformed military and (mostly wage grade civilian workers in the local bargaining unit). There aren't a lot of swords that can cut through the Gordian knot of Union red tape but I possessed one. As the manager of a Chemical Personnel Reliability Program (similar to its Nuclear counterpart), I had the absolute power to dismiss an employee if I thought they were an insider threat to the mission, and the Union couldn't say squat, because I didn't have to justify such an action due to the potential consequences if one bad egg had a mishap handling hazardous materials.FlossyDFlynt said:Ill admit my interactions with unions shapes some of my view on them. If I go to a client that has a union involved with their staff, I am inevitably going to end up with more road blocks, more bureaucracy, and things in general are going to take much longer to be accomplished.caryking said:
I don't have a real issue with Unions. That said, I'll never understand people wanting to collective bargain as opposed to negotiating on their own.
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
Oldsouljer said:I've only supervised Union personnel one time and in a peculiar situation, so I haven't had your experience. Essentially, my outfit was a mixed bag of uniformed military and (mostly wage grade civilian workers in the local bargaining unit). There aren't a lot of swords that can cut through the Gordian knot of Union red tape but I possessed one. As the manager of a Chemical Personnel Reliability Program (similar to its Nuclear counterpart), I had the absolute power to dismiss an employee if I thought they were an insider threat to the mission, and the Union couldn't say squat, because I didn't have to justify such an action due to the potential consequences if one bad egg had a mishap handling hazardous materials.FlossyDFlynt said:Ill admit my interactions with unions shapes some of my view on them. If I go to a client that has a union involved with their staff, I am inevitably going to end up with more road blocks, more bureaucracy, and things in general are going to take much longer to be accomplished.caryking said:
I don't have a real issue with Unions. That said, I'll never understand people wanting to collective bargain as opposed to negotiating on their own.
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
This is what I don't get. How is this not a national security issue? Ila is who loads military equipment onto boats.
Well, I'm no expert on labor and transportation law but I believe the Taft-Hartley Act is a contributory tool towards easing the problems related to a labor outage, and Biden has ruled out invoking it.Ncsufist said:Oldsouljer said:I've only supervised Union personnel one time and in a peculiar situation, so I haven't had your experience. Essentially, my outfit was a mixed bag of uniformed military and (mostly wage grade civilian workers in the local bargaining unit). There aren't a lot of swords that can cut through the Gordian knot of Union red tape but I possessed one. As the manager of a Chemical Personnel Reliability Program (similar to its Nuclear counterpart), I had the absolute power to dismiss an employee if I thought they were an insider threat to the mission, and the Union couldn't say squat, because I didn't have to justify such an action due to the potential consequences if one bad egg had a mishap handling hazardous materials.FlossyDFlynt said:Ill admit my interactions with unions shapes some of my view on them. If I go to a client that has a union involved with their staff, I am inevitably going to end up with more road blocks, more bureaucracy, and things in general are going to take much longer to be accomplished.caryking said:
I don't have a real issue with Unions. That said, I'll never understand people wanting to collective bargain as opposed to negotiating on their own.
Regarding safety, as much as I disagree with federal agencies, we have them; therefore OSHA supposedly eliminates the need for aspects of unions. Now, if a person wants to unionize, so be it. I thinks it's their individual right to be part of a collective. Also, if a company refuses to negotiate with a union, then, that should be their right to say no.
At some point, somebody has to break. Either the business sees a risk in lost profits and/or the employee/union doesn't get paid. Who is able to hold out the longest?
This is what I don't get. How is this not a national security issue? Ila is who loads military equipment onto boats.
Harris hails striking dockworkers, swipes at Trump's record https://t.co/lz64AfCQfz
— POLITICO (@politico) October 2, 2024
Yea, run with this one. See where it gets you
"Record Profits". Lol
WE ARE SEEING THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD WOULD HAPPEN... NOW AMAZON ⁉️⁉️⁉️Amazon going on strike‼️ pic.twitter.com/XFIIzHHgoR
— Elon Musk ( Parody ) (@argosaki) October 1, 2024
Between that statement and the ridiculous grocery store "price gouging", she is really showing how economically illiterate she really ishokiewolf said:
"Record Profits". Lol
Wonder how much $ was stuffed in this guy's shirt pocket? He's a POS.
DOCKWORKERS STRIKE: Watch video of the president of the longshoreman's worker discuss his intent to go on strike tomorrow. He's an interesting guy and the video is pretty long (17 minutes) but gives you a good insight into what we're dealing with when it comes to unions in… pic.twitter.com/iBNWDDqfON
— @amuse (@amuse) September 30, 2024
BREAKING: Thousands of dockworkers on the East Coast and Gulf Coast will return to work after reaching a tentative deal on wages. https://t.co/YxcsWLGQ0v
— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) October 3, 2024
Good news
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