2024 Elections

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packofwolves
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Another reason not to vote for Harris. This shows Harris/Walz true colors. Far left Libby as speaker.
Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.

SmaptyWolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.


Wait, don't you guys hate Bush/Cheney now?

You know even Cheney is voting for Kamala, right?
Bas2020
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But but but Florida is in play! I promise.

There are golf cart rallies and White Dude for Harris parades in Ft Lauderdale!!

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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.


Wait, don't you guys hate Bush/Cheney now?

You know even Cheney is voting for Kamala, right?

I would be shocked if Bush weren't voting for her too.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.
Wufpack17
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Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.
Civilized
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ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
Civilized
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Wufpack17 said:

Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.

LOL.

This argument is always so weak.

So is your argument that Trump didn't break the law, or that he did but we shouldn't care?
Wufpack17
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Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.

LOL.

This argument is always so weak.

So is your argument that Trump didn't break the law, or that he did but we shouldn't care?
Using local state laws, elevating them to "felonies" for the sole purpose of throwing Trump in jail so he can't run, that's straight out of the Nazi playbook.

BobbyCox95
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Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.
Wufpack17
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Trump is an idiot. Trump also is the only one I trust to stand up to the political machine that continues to **** us over.
BobbyCox95
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Wufpack17 said:

Trump is an idiot. Trump also is the only one I trust to stand up to the political machine that continues to **** us over.
Agreed.

BobbyCox95
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Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.

LOL.

This argument is always so weak.

So is your argument that Trump didn't break the law, or that he did but we shouldn't care?
Using local state laws, elevating them to "felonies" for the sole purpose of throwing Trump in jail so he can't run, that's straight out of the Nazi playbook.


Let's not forget the fraudulent impeachments and the Russia hoax on top of that. It's been a non-stop war against him. It's a very dangerous precedent they're setting.
Civilized
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Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.

LOL.

This argument is always so weak.

So is your argument that Trump didn't break the law, or that he did but we shouldn't care?
Using local state laws, elevating them to "felonies" for the sole purpose of throwing Trump in jail so he can't run, that's straight out of the Nazi playbook.



Aside from this being an inaccurate portrayal of what happened and completely ignoring Trump's responsibility for his own behavior and also his many cronies that have been found criminally guilty or civilly liable for their actions in support of him, if this was what happened, then clearly the charges or convictions won't survive appellate courts.

Civilized
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BobbyCox95 said:

Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.

Not disputing that.

My broader point is that Trump is strongly disliked by more Republicans than any Republican in modern election history.

Why? Because of things he's said and done.

That's not an inconsequential detail and it's why the "Trump is a victim of the media/left/whoever" falls flat. He's is largely - albeit not exclusively - a victim of his own terrible behavior.
Wufpack17
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Civilized said:

BobbyCox95 said:

Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.

Not disputing that.

My broader point is that Trump is strongly disliked by more Republicans than any Republican in modern election history.

Why? Because of things he's said and done.

That's not an inconsequential detail and it's why the "Trump is a victim of the media/left/whoever" falls flat. He's is largely - albeit not exclusively - a victim of his own terrible behavior.
This says a lot more about Harris than it does Trump.

All the Dems had to do was hold a Primary. Harris loses that in a land slide and they likely elect someone who would have easily beat Trump. Instead, they bypassed democracy, pushed Harris into the nomination (gotta have a double minority!!!!), now she spends every day banging her hands on a podium, impersonating Adolf Hitler "NVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN!!" It's really hard to convince someone to vote for whatever THAT is.
packofwolves
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Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Trump is the "facist", but it's the dems who have spent the last 4 years attempting to arrest their political rival(s)

The left has no idea what "facist" even means.

LOL.

This argument is always so weak.

So is your argument that Trump didn't break the law, or that he did but we shouldn't care?
Using local state laws, elevating them to "felonies" for the sole purpose of throwing Trump in jail so he can't run, that's straight out of the Nazi playbook.




Add to that, a prosecution that did not reveal the felony until their closing argument. It will get overturned, but will take a while to work through the courts.

What Hilary did was far worse by funding the fake dossier. She had the same misdemeanors as Trump. Why didn't NY go after her?
Civilized
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Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

BobbyCox95 said:

Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.

Not disputing that.

My broader point is that Trump is strongly disliked by more Republicans than any Republican in modern election history.

Why? Because of things he's said and done.

That's not an inconsequential detail and it's why the "Trump is a victim of the media/left/whoever" falls flat. He's is largely - albeit not exclusively - a victim of his own terrible behavior.
This says a lot more about Harris than it does Trump.

All the Dems had to do was hold a Primary. Harris loses that in a land slide and they likely elect someone who would have easily beat Trump. Instead, they bypassed democracy, pushed Harris into the nomination (gotta have a double minority!!!!), now she spends every day banging her hands on a podium, impersonating Adolf Hitler "NVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN!!" It's really hard to convince someone to vote for whatever THAT is.

There was no one waiting in the wings that could "easily beat Trump." Partisanship and a cult following ensured that Trump was going to get 45%+ of the vote no matter who the Dem candidate was. Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg, Pritzker, etc. all have benefits and drawbacks. Obama Jr. wasn't waiting in the wings.

Harris had the name recognition, relative youth, war chest, experience, temperament, and campaign team already in place. It was always going to be her once Biden was retired.

If you're a Dem hopeful for 2028 no way in hell you wet your powder to run a 90-day sprint against Trump try to overcome Biden's unpopularity running against a Pub candidate that has a cult following and that will be out of the picture in 2028.
Wufpack17
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Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

BobbyCox95 said:

Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.

Not disputing that.

My broader point is that Trump is strongly disliked by more Republicans than any Republican in modern election history.

Why? Because of things he's said and done.

That's not an inconsequential detail and it's why the "Trump is a victim of the media/left/whoever" falls flat. He's is largely - albeit not exclusively - a victim of his own terrible behavior.
This says a lot more about Harris than it does Trump.

All the Dems had to do was hold a Primary. Harris loses that in a land slide and they likely elect someone who would have easily beat Trump. Instead, they bypassed democracy, pushed Harris into the nomination (gotta have a double minority!!!!), now she spends every day banging her hands on a podium, impersonating Adolf Hitler "NVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN!!" It's really hard to convince someone to vote for whatever THAT is.

There was no one waiting in the wings that could "easily beat Trump." Partisanship and a cult following ensured that Trump was going to get 45%+ of the vote no matter who the Dem candidate was. Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg, Pritzker, etc. all have benefits and drawbacks. Obama Jr. wasn't waiting in the wings.

Harris had the name recognition, relative youth, war chest, experience, temperament, and campaign team already in place. It was always going to be her once Biden was retired.

If you're a Dem hopeful for 2028 no way in hell you wet your powder to run a 90-day sprint against Trump try to overcome Biden's unpopularity running against a Pub candidate that has a cult following and that will be out of the picture in 2028.
You give the people opportunity to choose who they want. That didn't happen. Because of that a lot of dems simply aren't enthused enough to vote for the Ding Dong.
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Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

Wufpack17 said:

Civilized said:

BobbyCox95 said:

Civilized said:

ncsualum05 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.

Nice anecdotes and all but we don't need to rely on anecdotes when we have data.

Trump is historically unpopular with both Dems and Pubs whether you want to bury your head in the sand about it or not.


With pubs civilized? What are you looking at? Trump is more popular than ever with his base and he's got the independents swinging his way as well. He definitely has a huge faction of this country made up of democrats and left leaning independents that hate him more than anything in the world. The election looks like it's going to be Trump's running away at this point... but I could be wrong. If I'm not though, i'll be happy but I'll also be concerned for all the violence and destruction coming in cities just like last time. All the lies from democrats and state sponsored media unfortunately have brainwashed so many people to the point that they can't mentally handle a Trump victory. It was like this last time too. And the rioting that will ensue is very insidious as it's sponsored. But I do worry about the mental health of a lot of very misguided people.

Trump didn't take over as a dictator in term 1. He didn't round people up into "camps". He didn't murder lots of US citizens. Yet you have nuts out there that think he will because of the stupid treasonous media who likes to stir up chaos. It rings hollow to anyone with half a brain but it's dangerous b/c this country if full of stupid ass people.

Go look at the percentage of Republicans that have very unfavorable or somewhat unfavorable views of Trump and compare those numbers to past Pub-nominated candidates.

Trump's own words stir up chaos, which the media is pleased to highlight.

You can talk about all the media bias you want, but he has to own his own words despite his handlers and proxies doing constant verbal Pilates to try to soften or just completely change the meaning of what he says.

After Jan. 6 I don't know how in the world anyone on the right can feel awesome about things being calm if Harris wins, but I don't claim the higher ground here. Politics is the new religion and there are innumerable zealots out there that lose their damn minds over smaller **** than a candidate from either side that has been painted as a world-ender winning and entering office. Frankly, I'm gritting my teeth more about November 6/7 than I am November 5. No matter which candidate wins I'm more than a little worried about the aftereffects.

The saving grace for the left, when faced with another Trump presidency, is that he's so unprincipled and disorganized as a leader that he's not an effective or strategic implementer of ideas. He left hundreds of positions unfilled in his first presidency and was very unsuccessful or unmotivated to implement policy. The risk for the left (and possibly the country) is that he plugs people in around him this term that are much better, more motivated, and/or more loyal to his narcissistic fever-dreams.
There are alot of people that have an "unfavorable" opinion of Trump but will still vote for him. I'm one of them.

Not disputing that.

My broader point is that Trump is strongly disliked by more Republicans than any Republican in modern election history.

Why? Because of things he's said and done.

That's not an inconsequential detail and it's why the "Trump is a victim of the media/left/whoever" falls flat. He's is largely - albeit not exclusively - a victim of his own terrible behavior.
This says a lot more about Harris than it does Trump.

All the Dems had to do was hold a Primary. Harris loses that in a land slide and they likely elect someone who would have easily beat Trump. Instead, they bypassed democracy, pushed Harris into the nomination (gotta have a double minority!!!!), now she spends every day banging her hands on a podium, impersonating Adolf Hitler "NVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN!!" It's really hard to convince someone to vote for whatever THAT is.

There was no one waiting in the wings that could "easily beat Trump." Partisanship and a cult following ensured that Trump was going to get 45%+ of the vote no matter who the Dem candidate was. Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg, Pritzker, etc. all have benefits and drawbacks. Obama Jr. wasn't waiting in the wings.

Harris had the name recognition, relative youth, war chest, experience, temperament, and campaign team already in place. It was always going to be her once Biden was retired.

If you're a Dem hopeful for 2028 no way in hell you wet your powder to run a 90-day sprint against Trump try to overcome Biden's unpopularity running against a Pub candidate that has a cult following and that will be out of the picture in 2028.
You give the people opportunity to choose who they want. That didn't happen. Because of that a lot of dems simply aren't enthused enough to vote for the Ding Dong.
What on this earth are you talking about "Harris had the name recognition, relative youth, war chest, experience, temperament, and campaign team already in place."
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#daSieve, reminding you of #devolution. Stay tuned buddy and enjoy #daShow.

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This WW2 Marine vet will vote for:

a) Trump/Vance
b) Kamala/Harris

Ya think?

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Civilized said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:





If Trump dropped out of the race today, the democrats would hate the next person just as much. Democrats are the party of hate.

There's zero evidence for this.

This is quantifiable. No past Republican president has ever been as unfavorable with Dems as Trump is.

And not just Dems. Trump is historically unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

No Republican president has ever had the unfavorability that Trump does with registered Republicans, either.



BS. Were you living under a rock during the Bush/Chaney administration? The next person after Trump will be vilified, compared to Hitler, called a racist…etc. and you'll hate that person just as much.

Democrats ARE the party of hate.


Wait, don't you guys hate Bush/Cheney now?

You know even Cheney is voting for Kamala, right?

I would be shocked if Bush weren't voting for her too.
Naturally. Our elites belong to one club.
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Werewolf said:

#daSieve, reminding you of #devolution. Stay tuned buddy and enjoy #daShow.


Dear Mayor of Dearborn Heights. Couldja keep an eye on the vote counting for us?
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Hearing Muslins in Dearborn are 67-75% Trump.
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I posted this in the 2020 thread and will post it here.

Democrat operative spills the beans on the ballot harvesting tricks they use in Georgia.



Here is Crowder interviewing Catherine Englebrecht of True the Vote and 2000 mules, which was mentioned in the above video. True the Vote is combining with Crowder's subscribers, The Mug Club, to have eyes on the drop boxes and polling places.



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Werewolf said:

This WW2 Marine vet will vote for:

a) Trump/Vance
b) Kamala/Harris

Ya think?



Saw this clip this weekend.

Great stuff. His face says it all.
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Werewolf said:

This WW2 Marine vet will vote for:

a) Trump/Vance
b) Kamala/Harris

Ya think?


As the son, son-in-law, and brother of Marines who have passed on, that is very special. Brought a tear to my eye as well!
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Werewolf said:

Hearing Muslins in Dearborn are 67-75% Trump.
If they think like I do, and I'm not saying they do, they're doing this to punish and chasten Dems for not strictly opposing Israel, and they'll oppose the GOP nominee four years from now.
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Very nice, my friend!
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Oldsouljer said:

Werewolf said:

Hearing Muslins in Dearborn are 67-75% Trump.
If they think like I do, and I'm not saying they do, they're doing this to punish and chasten Dems for not strictly opposing Israel, and they'll oppose the GOP nominee four years from now.
Hanging with Liz Cheney didn't help I'm sure.
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Me and Soldja are on it. #VIvek too!





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jkpackfan said:

Oldsouljer said:

Werewolf said:

Hearing Muslins in Dearborn are 67-75% Trump.
If they think like I do, and I'm not saying they do, they're doing this to punish and chasten Dems for not strictly opposing Israel, and they'll oppose the GOP nominee four years from now.
Hanging with Liz Cheney didn't help I'm sure.
Apparently. I was actually surprised to find out exactly how that community views the Cheneys.
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#Sieve, its a 50-50 toss- up. ;-)



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