2024 Elections

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caryking said:

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I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!
Why? Easy, it would keep the conspiracy folks at bay. Another reason, one needs a ID to do about most things in life.
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caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.
caryking
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Yes sir!
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ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
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SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.
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ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.


Completely agree! Florida figured it out and other states need to. Also, no shenanigans with Dem/Pub observers either. Should be a requirement they are present at all times. No kicking them out or forcing them too far away to observe. Should be a throat to choke for equipment malfunctions. What happened in Arizona should have resulted in people being fired or forced to step down.

Drop boxes need to be axed as well. Or if they exist, need to be supervised and observed. I am not a fan of harvesting either.

Add to that, mail in ballots must be post office marked 1 or 2 weeks before Election Day. Overseas needs special consideration.
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packofwolves said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.


Completely agree! Florida figured it out and other states need to. Also, no shenanigans with Dem/Pub observers either. Should be a requirement they are present at all times. No kicking them out or forcing them too far away to observe. Should be a throat to choke for equipment malfunctions. What happened in Arizona should have resulted in people being fired or forced to step down.

Drop boxes need to be axed as well. Or if they exist, need to be supervised and observed. I am not a fan of harvesting either.
This. Florida figured it out after the Bush and Gore issue.
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ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you also want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
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SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.
SmaptyWolf
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ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
ncsupack1
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SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
Don't keep saying you guys, you paint with a big brush, the system works and has for a while. Why now it takes a week to count votes is bs.
SmaptyWolf
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ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
Don't keep saying you guys, you paint with a big brush, the system works and has for a while. Why now it takes a week to count votes is bs.

As long as we have 50 states running their own elections however they want then I suspect they don't give a fu** what you think. But hey, I'm all for strict federal guidelines for federal elections! Let's do it! I bet we could have all of those ballots counted before bed time!
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SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
Don't keep saying you guys, you paint with a big brush, the system works and has for a while. Why now it takes a week to count votes is bs.

As long as we have 50 states running their own elections however they want then I suspect they don't give a fu** what you think. But hey, I'm all for strict federal guidelines for federal elections! Let's do it! I bet we could have all of those ballots counted before bed time!
How long has elections taken before the Trump and Biden one? I'm not as smart as you and this could be a common thing. If so, hey, I stand corrected.
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ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
Don't keep saying you guys, you paint with a big brush, the system works and has for a while. Why now it takes a week to count votes is bs.

As long as we have 50 states running their own elections however they want then I suspect they don't give a fu** what you think. But hey, I'm all for strict federal guidelines for federal elections! Let's do it! I bet we could have all of those ballots counted before bed time!
How long has elections taken before the Trump and Biden one? I'm not as smart as you and this could be a common thing. If so, hey, I stand corrected.

It's a common thing. It's just that no one ever thought to use it as an excuse for why they lost before Trump came along.
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SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

I don't have a problem with voter ID. I also want to us clean up counting the votes. Needs to be settled the night of.
Why? According to some, it's all (mostly) above board. No changes needed!

According to everyone that's ever attempted to analyze the election security situation quantitatively, it's above board.

This includes data scientists, elections analysts, Boards of Elections, courts, Chris Krebbs and others appointed by Trump whose jobs were to ensure elections are free and fair.

There has never been demonstrated electoral fraud on scale in this country. Period, point blank, end of story.

So yeah, if you want to do the voter ID thing to feel better that's fine but you can't represent it as anything other than an extra layer of protection in an already extremely free and fair electoral system.

It's not fixing some big problem out there. If anything it's a solution in search of a problem.
Our elections should be decided the night of. This dragging things out doesn't help anything.

So if the Dem precincts get counted first and run up a big early lead you're fine shutting down the count before all of the ballots are counted?

Either:
  • You've thought about this dumb idea for 4 seconds OR
  • You guys think you can game the system to take advantage of Republican precincts with more resources

So which is it?
I just want the election decided the night of. This isn't hard, we shouldn't be counting three days later.

Welp, like many ideas you guys have, I imagine if you actually understood the details as to why a precinct would take 3 days or whatever to do a full count it might suddenly make sense to you.

So you want a super accurate count with zero fraud, but you actually want it super fast to make those first goals much harder? Got it!
I'm not listening to someone who thinks the electoral college is a bad idea.

If Trump wins Georgia, you'd be fine with Georgia's electoral college voting for Biden instead? Lol, sure.

You guys pretend to like the electoral college only when it helps you, so spare me.
Don't keep saying you guys, you paint with a big brush, the system works and has for a while. Why now it takes a week to count votes is bs.

As long as we have 50 states running their own elections however they want then I suspect they don't give a fu** what you think. But hey, I'm all for strict federal guidelines for federal elections! Let's do it! I bet we could have all of those ballots counted before bed time!
How long has elections taken before the Trump and Biden one? I'm not as smart as you and this could be a common thing. If so, hey, I stand corrected.

It's a common thing. It's just that no one ever thought to use it as an excuse for why they lost before Trump came along.

I don't use it as an excuse, I was just asking.
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Ronald Reagan weeps at what the Republican Party has become. I could not imagine either candidate coming close to the eloquence of this speech. I hope one day a candidate like this is presented again to be President of the United States.

On this historic day, take the time to watch President Reagan's legendary speech at Pointe du Hoc on June 6, 1984:

"We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied armies joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For 4 long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved, and the world prayed for its rescue. Here in Normandy the rescue began. Here the Allies stood and fought against tyranny in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.

We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but 40 years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.

The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After 2 days of fighting, only 90 could still bear arms.

Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.

Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life . . . and left the vivid air signed with your honor.'

I think I know what you may be thinking right now thinking "we were just part of a bigger effort; everyone was brave that day." Well, everyone was. Do you remember the story of Bill Millin of the 51st Highlanders? Forty years ago today, British troops were pinned down near a bridge, waiting desperately for help. Suddenly, they heard the sound of bagpipes, and some thought they were dreaming. Well, they weren't. They looked up and saw Bill Millin with his bagpipes, leading the reinforcements and ignoring the smack of the bullets into the ground around him.

Lord Lovat was with him Lord Lovat of Scotland, who calmly announced when he got to the bridge, 'Sorry I'm a few minutes late,' as if he'd been delayed by a traffic jam, when in truth he'd just come from the bloody fighting on Sword Beach, which he and his men had just taken.

There was the impossible valor of the Poles who threw themselves between the enemy and the rest of Europe as the invasion took hold, and the unsurpassed courage of the Canadians who had already seen the horrors of war on this coast. They knew what awaited them there, but they would not be deterred. And once they hit Juno Beach, they never looked back.

All of these men were part of a rollcall of honor with names that spoke of a pride as bright as the colors they bore: the Royal Winnipeg Rifles, Poland's 24th Lancers, the Royal Scots Fusiliers, the Screaming Eagles, the Yeomen of England's armored divisions, the forces of Free France, the Coast Guard's 'Matchbox Fleet' and you, the American Rangers.

Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet, you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief; it was loyalty and love.

The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge and pray God we have not lost it that there is a profound, moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you.

The Americans who fought here that morning knew word of the invasion was spreading through the darkness back home. They fought or felt in their hearts, though they couldn't know in fact, that in Georgia they were filling the churches at 4 a.m., in Kansas they were kneeling on their porches and praying, and in Philadelphia they were ringing the Liberty Bell.

Something else helped the men of D-day: their rockhard belief that Providence would have a great hand in the events that would unfold here; that God was an ally in this great cause. And so, the night before the invasion, when Colonel Wolverton asked his parachute troops to kneel with him in prayer he told them: Do not bow your heads, but look up so you can see God and ask His blessing in what we're about to do. Also that night, General Matthew Ridgway on his cot, listening in the darkness for the promise God made to Joshua: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

These are the things that impelled them; these are the things that shaped the unity of the Allies.

When the war was over, there were lives to be rebuilt and governments to be returned to the people. There were nations to be reborn. Above all, there was a new peace to be assured. These were huge and daunting tasks. But the Allies summoned strength from the faith, belief, loyalty, and love of those who fell here. They rebuilt a new Europe together.

There was first a great reconciliation among those who had been enemies, all of whom had suffered so greatly. The United States did its part, creating the Marshall plan to help rebuild our allies and our former enemies. The Marshall plan led to the Atlantic alliance a great alliance that serves to this day as our shield for freedom, for prosperity, and for peace.

In spite of our great efforts and successes, not all that followed the end of the war was happy or planned. Some liberated countries were lost. The great sadness of this loss echoes down to our own time in the streets of Warsaw, Prague, and East Berlin. Soviet troops that came to the center of this continent did not leave when peace came. They're still there, uninvited, unwanted, unyielding, almost 40 years after the war. Because of this, allied forces still stand on this continent. Today, as 40 years ago, our armies are here for only one purpose to protect and defend democracy. The only territories we hold are memorials like this one and graveyards where our heroes rest.

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.

But we try always to be prepared for peace; prepared to deter aggression; prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms; and, yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. In truth, there is no reconciliation we would welcome more than a reconciliation with the Soviet Union, so, together, we can [listen] lessen the risks of war, now and forever.

It's fitting to remember here the great losses also suffered by the Russian people during World War II: 20 million perished, a terrible price that testifies to all the world the necessity of ending war. I tell you from my heart that we in the United States do not want war. We want to wipe from the face of the Earth the terrible weapons that man now has in his hands. And I tell you, we are ready to seize that beachhead. We look for some sign from the Soviet Union that they are willing to move forward, that they share our desire and love for peace, and that they will give up the ways of conquest. There must be a changing there that will allow us to turn our hope into action.

We will pray forever that some day that changing will come. But for now, particularly today, it is good and fitting to renew our commitment to each other, to our freedom, and to the alliance that protects it.

We are bound today by what bound us 40 years ago, the same loyalties, traditions, and beliefs. We're bound by reality. The strength of America's allies is vital to the United States, and the American security guarantee is essential to the continued freedom of Europe's democracies. We were with you then; we are with you now. Your hopes are our hopes, and your destiny is our destiny.

Here, in this place where the West held together, let us make a vow to our dead. Let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. Let our actions say to them the words for which Matthew Ridgway listened: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

Strengthened by their courage, heartened by their value [valor], and borne by their memory, let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died.

Thank you very much, and God bless you all."
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hokiewolf said:

Ronald Reagan weeps at what the Republican Party has become. I could not imagine either candidate coming close to the eloquence of this speech. I hope one day a candidate like this is presented again to be President of the United States.

On this historic day, take the time to watch President Reagan's legendary speech at Pointe du Hoc on June 6, 1984:

"We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied armies joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For 4 long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved, and the world prayed for its rescue. Here in Normandy the rescue began. Here the Allies stood and fought against tyranny in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.

We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but 40 years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.

The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After 2 days of fighting, only 90 could still bear arms.

Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.

Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life . . . and left the vivid air signed with your honor.'

I think I know what you may be thinking right now thinking "we were just part of a bigger effort; everyone was brave that day." Well, everyone was. Do you remember the story of Bill Millin of the 51st Highlanders? Forty years ago today, British troops were pinned down near a bridge, waiting desperately for help. Suddenly, they heard the sound of bagpipes, and some thought they were dreaming. Well, they weren't. They looked up and saw Bill Millin with his bagpipes, leading the reinforcements and ignoring the smack of the bullets into the ground around him.

Lord Lovat was with him Lord Lovat of Scotland, who calmly announced when he got to the bridge, 'Sorry I'm a few minutes late,' as if he'd been delayed by a traffic jam, when in truth he'd just come from the bloody fighting on Sword Beach, which he and his men had just taken.

There was the impossible valor of the Poles who threw themselves between the enemy and the rest of Europe as the invasion took hold, and the unsurpassed courage of the Canadians who had already seen the horrors of war on this coast. They knew what awaited them there, but they would not be deterred. And once they hit Juno Beach, they never looked back.

All of these men were part of a rollcall of honor with names that spoke of a pride as bright as the colors they bore: the Royal Winnipeg Rifles, Poland's 24th Lancers, the Royal Scots Fusiliers, the Screaming Eagles, the Yeomen of England's armored divisions, the forces of Free France, the Coast Guard's 'Matchbox Fleet' and you, the American Rangers.

Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet, you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief; it was loyalty and love.

The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge and pray God we have not lost it that there is a profound, moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you.

The Americans who fought here that morning knew word of the invasion was spreading through the darkness back home. They fought or felt in their hearts, though they couldn't know in fact, that in Georgia they were filling the churches at 4 a.m., in Kansas they were kneeling on their porches and praying, and in Philadelphia they were ringing the Liberty Bell.

Something else helped the men of D-day: their rockhard belief that Providence would have a great hand in the events that would unfold here; that God was an ally in this great cause. And so, the night before the invasion, when Colonel Wolverton asked his parachute troops to kneel with him in prayer he told them: Do not bow your heads, but look up so you can see God and ask His blessing in what we're about to do. Also that night, General Matthew Ridgway on his cot, listening in the darkness for the promise God made to Joshua: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

These are the things that impelled them; these are the things that shaped the unity of the Allies.

When the war was over, there were lives to be rebuilt and governments to be returned to the people. There were nations to be reborn. Above all, there was a new peace to be assured. These were huge and daunting tasks. But the Allies summoned strength from the faith, belief, loyalty, and love of those who fell here. They rebuilt a new Europe together.

There was first a great reconciliation among those who had been enemies, all of whom had suffered so greatly. The United States did its part, creating the Marshall plan to help rebuild our allies and our former enemies. The Marshall plan led to the Atlantic alliance a great alliance that serves to this day as our shield for freedom, for prosperity, and for peace.

In spite of our great efforts and successes, not all that followed the end of the war was happy or planned. Some liberated countries were lost. The great sadness of this loss echoes down to our own time in the streets of Warsaw, Prague, and East Berlin. Soviet troops that came to the center of this continent did not leave when peace came. They're still there, uninvited, unwanted, unyielding, almost 40 years after the war. Because of this, allied forces still stand on this continent. Today, as 40 years ago, our armies are here for only one purpose to protect and defend democracy. The only territories we hold are memorials like this one and graveyards where our heroes rest.

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.

But we try always to be prepared for peace; prepared to deter aggression; prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms; and, yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. In truth, there is no reconciliation we would welcome more than a reconciliation with the Soviet Union, so, together, we can [listen] lessen the risks of war, now and forever.

It's fitting to remember here the great losses also suffered by the Russian people during World War II: 20 million perished, a terrible price that testifies to all the world the necessity of ending war. I tell you from my heart that we in the United States do not want war. We want to wipe from the face of the Earth the terrible weapons that man now has in his hands. And I tell you, we are ready to seize that beachhead. We look for some sign from the Soviet Union that they are willing to move forward, that they share our desire and love for peace, and that they will give up the ways of conquest. There must be a changing there that will allow us to turn our hope into action.

We will pray forever that some day that changing will come. But for now, particularly today, it is good and fitting to renew our commitment to each other, to our freedom, and to the alliance that protects it.

We are bound today by what bound us 40 years ago, the same loyalties, traditions, and beliefs. We're bound by reality. The strength of America's allies is vital to the United States, and the American security guarantee is essential to the continued freedom of Europe's democracies. We were with you then; we are with you now. Your hopes are our hopes, and your destiny is our destiny.

Here, in this place where the West held together, let us make a vow to our dead. Let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. Let our actions say to them the words for which Matthew Ridgway listened: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

Strengthened by their courage, heartened by their value [valor], and borne by their memory, let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died.

Thank you very much, and God bless you all."

Trump called those fallen Rangers a bunch of suckers and losers. The Republican party will keep spiraling downward until that matters to you more than a tax cut.
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Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
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SmaptyWolf said:

hokiewolf said:

Ronald Reagan weeps at what the Republican Party has become. I could not imagine either candidate coming close to the eloquence of this speech. I hope one day a candidate like this is presented again to be President of the United States.

On this historic day, take the time to watch President Reagan's legendary speech at Pointe du Hoc on June 6, 1984:

"We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied armies joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For 4 long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved, and the world prayed for its rescue. Here in Normandy the rescue began. Here the Allies stood and fought against tyranny in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.

We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but 40 years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.

The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After 2 days of fighting, only 90 could still bear arms.

Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.

Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life . . . and left the vivid air signed with your honor.'

I think I know what you may be thinking right now thinking "we were just part of a bigger effort; everyone was brave that day." Well, everyone was. Do you remember the story of Bill Millin of the 51st Highlanders? Forty years ago today, British troops were pinned down near a bridge, waiting desperately for help. Suddenly, they heard the sound of bagpipes, and some thought they were dreaming. Well, they weren't. They looked up and saw Bill Millin with his bagpipes, leading the reinforcements and ignoring the smack of the bullets into the ground around him.

Lord Lovat was with him Lord Lovat of Scotland, who calmly announced when he got to the bridge, 'Sorry I'm a few minutes late,' as if he'd been delayed by a traffic jam, when in truth he'd just come from the bloody fighting on Sword Beach, which he and his men had just taken.

There was the impossible valor of the Poles who threw themselves between the enemy and the rest of Europe as the invasion took hold, and the unsurpassed courage of the Canadians who had already seen the horrors of war on this coast. They knew what awaited them there, but they would not be deterred. And once they hit Juno Beach, they never looked back.

All of these men were part of a rollcall of honor with names that spoke of a pride as bright as the colors they bore: the Royal Winnipeg Rifles, Poland's 24th Lancers, the Royal Scots Fusiliers, the Screaming Eagles, the Yeomen of England's armored divisions, the forces of Free France, the Coast Guard's 'Matchbox Fleet' and you, the American Rangers.

Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet, you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief; it was loyalty and love.

The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge and pray God we have not lost it that there is a profound, moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you.

The Americans who fought here that morning knew word of the invasion was spreading through the darkness back home. They fought or felt in their hearts, though they couldn't know in fact, that in Georgia they were filling the churches at 4 a.m., in Kansas they were kneeling on their porches and praying, and in Philadelphia they were ringing the Liberty Bell.

Something else helped the men of D-day: their rockhard belief that Providence would have a great hand in the events that would unfold here; that God was an ally in this great cause. And so, the night before the invasion, when Colonel Wolverton asked his parachute troops to kneel with him in prayer he told them: Do not bow your heads, but look up so you can see God and ask His blessing in what we're about to do. Also that night, General Matthew Ridgway on his cot, listening in the darkness for the promise God made to Joshua: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

These are the things that impelled them; these are the things that shaped the unity of the Allies.

When the war was over, there were lives to be rebuilt and governments to be returned to the people. There were nations to be reborn. Above all, there was a new peace to be assured. These were huge and daunting tasks. But the Allies summoned strength from the faith, belief, loyalty, and love of those who fell here. They rebuilt a new Europe together.

There was first a great reconciliation among those who had been enemies, all of whom had suffered so greatly. The United States did its part, creating the Marshall plan to help rebuild our allies and our former enemies. The Marshall plan led to the Atlantic alliance a great alliance that serves to this day as our shield for freedom, for prosperity, and for peace.

In spite of our great efforts and successes, not all that followed the end of the war was happy or planned. Some liberated countries were lost. The great sadness of this loss echoes down to our own time in the streets of Warsaw, Prague, and East Berlin. Soviet troops that came to the center of this continent did not leave when peace came. They're still there, uninvited, unwanted, unyielding, almost 40 years after the war. Because of this, allied forces still stand on this continent. Today, as 40 years ago, our armies are here for only one purpose to protect and defend democracy. The only territories we hold are memorials like this one and graveyards where our heroes rest.

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.

But we try always to be prepared for peace; prepared to deter aggression; prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms; and, yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. In truth, there is no reconciliation we would welcome more than a reconciliation with the Soviet Union, so, together, we can [listen] lessen the risks of war, now and forever.

It's fitting to remember here the great losses also suffered by the Russian people during World War II: 20 million perished, a terrible price that testifies to all the world the necessity of ending war. I tell you from my heart that we in the United States do not want war. We want to wipe from the face of the Earth the terrible weapons that man now has in his hands. And I tell you, we are ready to seize that beachhead. We look for some sign from the Soviet Union that they are willing to move forward, that they share our desire and love for peace, and that they will give up the ways of conquest. There must be a changing there that will allow us to turn our hope into action.

We will pray forever that some day that changing will come. But for now, particularly today, it is good and fitting to renew our commitment to each other, to our freedom, and to the alliance that protects it.

We are bound today by what bound us 40 years ago, the same loyalties, traditions, and beliefs. We're bound by reality. The strength of America's allies is vital to the United States, and the American security guarantee is essential to the continued freedom of Europe's democracies. We were with you then; we are with you now. Your hopes are our hopes, and your destiny is our destiny.

Here, in this place where the West held together, let us make a vow to our dead. Let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. Let our actions say to them the words for which Matthew Ridgway listened: 'I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.'

Strengthened by their courage, heartened by their value [valor], and borne by their memory, let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died.

Thank you very much, and God bless you all."

Trump called those fallen Rangers a bunch of suckers and losers. The Republican party will keep spiraling downward until that matters to you more than a tax cut.


Did the writer of the article ever come out with his sources? I know that he said he would?
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caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
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Steven1974 said:

caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
"you guys" is not everyone that posts here...
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TheStorm said:

Steven1974 said:

caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
"you guys" is not everyone that posts here...


Agree.
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Bannon is something, but right isn't it. For a bunch of folks who hate class warfare from the left, you sure did latch onto it when presented to you.
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Steven1974 said:

caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
Well, Mr. Urkel, I don't even know why I was mentioned, I've no particular interest in Bannon.
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Wage gains: 4.1% over past year (vs. 3.4% inflation)



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caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…

TFG illustrates so many of the problems currently on the right.

This grifter seizes on grievances to appeal to the rabid MAGA base.

Do you think what this guy says has any appeal to anyone other than aggrieved white men?

How is this type of message supposed to broaden the right's base and therefore bolster electability for conservative candidates?

How does this message translate into actual, methodical, boring but effective governance?

Propping up angry opportunistic grifters does zero for the right or for this country.
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Of course as usual right wingers are furiously latching onto 3 second clips, hoping you won't listen to what was a good speech.

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Steven1974 said:

caryking said:

Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
and this is your way of thinking...


[ol]
  • "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
  • "Never go outside the experience of your people."
  • "Whenever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy."
  • "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
  • "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
  • "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
  • "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
  • "Keep the pressure on."
  • "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
  • "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
  • "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
  • "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
  • "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
  • [/ol]
    You bring nothing to the table, but noise...
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    Civilized said:

    caryking said:

    Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



    Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…

    TFG illustrates so many of the problems currently on the right.

    This grifter seizes on grievances to appeal to the rabid MAGA base.

    Do you think what this guy says has any appeal to anyone other than aggrieved white men?

    How is this type of message supposed to broaden the right's base and therefore bolster electability for conservative candidates?

    How does this message translate into actual, methodical, boring but effective governance?

    Propping up angry opportunistic grifters does zero for the right or for this country.
    See, this is what you all are just flat out missing... People like this, Trump, etc... did not create themselves. The Pubs and Dems created them. Bannon, in that segment calls it what it is. Had anybody ever heard of these folks, in a political perspective, back in the days of the Tea Party? No, they didn't.

    The Tea Party were saying the exact same things, some got elected, then, fell into the culture that is DC. It's that culture that has created these people, we now call MAGA. They used to be Tea Party. Once the Tea Party didn't do what they stated, the people (according to Civ, the aggrieved white man), looked for something they could latch onto. Trump enters the room and says what the (aggrieved white man) wanted to hear, then a movement is created.

    Unfortunately, for Pubs, these (aggrieved white men) are the majority within the party, and it's now time for the Pubs to get onboard with MAGA as they are the majority. So, Hokie, do you want to WIN? if so, get onboard...

    It's time for others to capitulate, as the (aggrieved white man) has too long!!
    caryking
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    Oldsouljer said:

    Steven1974 said:

    caryking said:

    Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



    Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
    LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
    Well, Mr. Urkel, I don't even know why I was mentioned, I've no particular interest in Bannon.
    Actually, in a previous post, you stated something that allowed another person to post about Real America's Voice. That's why I quoted you. Please disregard that portion of my post...
    Civilized
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    caryking said:

    Civilized said:


    TFG illustrates so many of the problems currently on the right.

    This grifter seizes on grievances to appeal to the rabid MAGA base.

    Do you think what this guy says has any appeal to anyone other than aggrieved white men?

    How is this type of message supposed to broaden the right's base and therefore bolster electability for conservative candidates?

    How does this message translate into actual, methodical, boring but effective governance?

    Propping up angry opportunistic grifters does zero for the right or for this country.
    See, this is what you all are just flat out missing... People like this, Trump, etc... did not create themselves. The Pubs and Dems created them. Bannon, in that segment calls it what it is. Had anybody ever heard of these folks, in a political perspective, back in the days of the Tea Party? No, they didn't.

    The Tea Party were saying the exact same things, some got elected, then, fell into the culture that is DC. It's that culture that has created these people, we now call MAGA. They used to be Tea Party. Once the Tea Party didn't do what they stated, the people (according to Civ, the aggrieved white man), looked for something they could latch onto. Trump enters the room and says what the (aggrieved white man) wanted to hear, then a movement is created.

    Unfortunately, for Pubs, these (aggrieved white men) are the majority within the party, and it's now time for the Pubs to get onboard with MAGA as they are the majority. So, Hokie, do you want to WIN? if so, get onboard...

    It's time for others to capitulate, as the (aggrieved white man) has too long!!

    What I'm not missing is Trump lost in 2020 and would have little chance of winning in 2024 if he wasn't running against Weekend at Biden's.

    And Trump is the only candidate that can pull off the Vengeance and Grievance World Tour electoral strategy for the right. Good luck getting other candidates elected cycle after cycle with this approach.

    The right has got to figure out what they stand for and pull it together into a coherent electoral message other than being anti-woke, anti-trans, anti-library book, anti-reproductive rights, anti-ObamaCare, anti-.... It's devolved into being a flat, angry party of anti-Democratic sentiment that lacks broad appeal.

    Nobody gets inspired by hearing about what makes people mad or why this country sucks when it obviously doesn't.

    What gives the right hope? What inspires the right? What will align us well with our allies? What will drive business? What will vault us into the future in tech, energy, health care, etc.?

    THAT'S what the people need to hear more of from conservative candidates and strategists and talking heads!
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    caryking said:

    Civilized said:

    caryking said:

    Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



    Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…

    TFG illustrates so many of the problems currently on the right.

    This grifter seizes on grievances to appeal to the rabid MAGA base.

    Do you think what this guy says has any appeal to anyone other than aggrieved white men?

    How is this type of message supposed to broaden the right's base and therefore bolster electability for conservative candidates?

    How does this message translate into actual, methodical, boring but effective governance?

    Propping up angry opportunistic grifters does zero for the right or for this country.
    See, this is what you all are just flat out missing... People like this, Trump, etc... did not create themselves. The Pubs and Dems created them. Bannon, in that segment calls it what it is. Had anybody ever heard of these folks, in a political perspective, back in the days of the Tea Party? No, they didn't.

    The Tea Party were saying the exact same things, some got elected, then, fell into the culture that is DC. It's that culture that has created these people, we now call MAGA. They used to be Tea Party. Once the Tea Party didn't do what they stated, the people (according to Civ, the aggrieved white man), looked for something they could latch onto. Trump enters the room and says what the (aggrieved white man) wanted to hear, then a movement is created.

    Unfortunately, for Pubs, these (aggrieved white men) are the majority within the party, and it's now time for the Pubs to get onboard with MAGA as they are the majority. So, Hokie, do you want to WIN? if so, get onboard...

    It's time for others to capitulate, as the (aggrieved white man) has too long!!

    Your history is entirely backwards. Bannon founded Breitbart back in 2007, well before the Tea Party. Bannon, along with Limbaugh before him and a rogues gallery of other grifters have worked for decades with the Republican party to keep the Republican base in a perpetual state of culture war grievance, which would keep you voting even though Republican politicians were really only interested in tax cuts. Your entire world view has been fabricated and fed to you for a very long time.

    A funny thing happened along the way, though, around the time of the Tea Party. Frankenstein's monster got tired of waiting and took over the party, driving out all of the sane people. Trump's genius was realizing that and becoming the embodiment of those decades of Republican propaganda. Which of course now HE is grifting you guys you with.
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    caryking said:

    Oldsouljer said:

    Steven1974 said:

    caryking said:

    Hokie, Civ, Smapty, and all the others that think the Pubs have only so much power, well, this is Steve Bannon telling it exactly the way I see things…



    Oldsouljer, you can find him on Real America's Voice Monday through Saturday. Download the app to your, phone, Smart TV, and other areas to see a different view of political discussion. Now, he may be gone for four months soon, so, watch now…
    LOL you guys latch onto the most ridiculous cast of characters. The guy is a nutjob that just wants power.
    Well, Mr. Urkel, I don't even know why I was mentioned, I've no particular interest in Bannon.
    Actually, in a previous post, you stated something that allowed another person to post about Real America's Voice. That's why I quoted you. Please disregard that portion of my post...
    Really? I don't recall, but ok. Prolly have short term memory issues.
     
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