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IseWolf22
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.

I would disagree with that statement but fine. How many of these tariffs provide US Companies unfettered access to other countries? How many have been ratified by Congress?

How has the government owning a portion of US Steel provided it with more foreign customers?

Hokie, you just moved the goal post...

My point was: A free trade agreement, in the context of free trade, should include unfettered access for US companies to operate freely within another country. You certainly know that Foreign companies operate within the US, right?

So, by you asking about tarrif's giving access to US companies is dumb. My point is that the tariff's have been enacted for a number of reasons, including closing (or partially) off access for US companies.

Congress hasn't ratified any of these, to my knowledge through direct legislation. That said, the power, to be ruled on by the Supreme Court is going to be based on laws previously passed, by congress, and signed by some President.

Now, the government taking a position in any business is not ideal, in fact I completely disagree with it. Didn't a foreign based company buy US Steel? If so, that's unfettered access, right?
caryking
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IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?
hokiewolf
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.

I would disagree with that statement but fine. How many of these tariffs provide US Companies unfettered access to other countries? How many have been ratified by Congress?

How has the government owning a portion of US Steel provided it with more foreign customers?

Hokie, you just moved the goal post...

My point was: A free trade agreement, in the context of free trade, should include unfettered access for US companies to operate freely within another country. You certainly know that Foreign companies operate within the US, right?

So, by you asking about tarrif's giving access to US companies is dumb. My point is that the tariff's have been enacted for a number of reasons, including closing (or partially) off access for US companies.

Congress hasn't ratified any of these, to my knowledge through direct legislation. That said, the power, to be ruled on by the Supreme Court is going to be based on laws previously passed, by congress, and signed by some President.

Now, the government taking a position in any business is not ideal, in fact I completely disagree with it. Didn't a foreign based company buy US Steel? If so, that's unfettered access, right?
In an ideal scenario, yes. But these FTAs have all kinds of different negotiating points that favor both parties.

Point is y'all asked if there were FTAs, there are. I'm sure in some instances there are100% free trade agreements in these treaties. Maybe I misunderstood your stance.

Sure, the Japanese company now has unfettered access to the US market because US Steel was over protected by tariffs and poorly managed. Now it's better managed, but the US Govt now dictates how they can operate (ie which plants to keep open or close for political expedience rather than economic reasons) and therefore the prices remain high without competition
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IseWolf22
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caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?
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***Chef's kiss***

"One of the contracts, for bulk steel, sat on Noem's desk for approval for so long that from the time the deal was struck in December until it was signed Feb. 10, the price of steel went up more than $100 million, some of the people said. A senior administration official said Noem blamed Scott for the wall's delay in a conversation with Trump earlier this year. "

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hokiewolf
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Tariffs on Penguins was the only strategy I agreed with.
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packgrad
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

The betas can't handle all of this winning.

betas love the free market, which MAGA folks used to like. But their new mistress is government command and control economy, you know, the same dumb **** progressives love.

That comment is coming from an uninformed position.

MAGA folks love free trade!! I know I do. That said, name one country that has or had free trade with the US.
a lot of countries had free trade agreements. Now we don't.


This aged well. Now we don't have FTAs lol

It's literally never about a fact. It's a troll to get attention.
packgrad
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Supreme Court needs to do the right thing on 2/20 to keep this train a running. Let the TDS boys cry and wish for failure while the train keeps on rolling.

caryking
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IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?

I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…

I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.

In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.

I would disagree with that statement but fine. How many of these tariffs provide US Companies unfettered access to other countries? How many have been ratified by Congress?

How has the government owning a portion of US Steel provided it with more foreign customers?

Hokie, you just moved the goal post...

My point was: A free trade agreement, in the context of free trade, should include unfettered access for US companies to operate freely within another country. You certainly know that Foreign companies operate within the US, right?

So, by you asking about tarrif's giving access to US companies is dumb. My point is that the tariff's have been enacted for a number of reasons, including closing (or partially) off access for US companies.

Congress hasn't ratified any of these, to my knowledge through direct legislation. That said, the power, to be ruled on by the Supreme Court is going to be based on laws previously passed, by congress, and signed by some President.

Now, the government taking a position in any business is not ideal, in fact I completely disagree with it. Didn't a foreign based company buy US Steel? If so, that's unfettered access, right?

In an ideal scenario, yes. But these FTAs have all kinds of different negotiating points that favor both parties.

Point is y'all asked if there were FTAs, there are. I'm sure in some instances there are100% free trade agreements in these treaties. Maybe I misunderstood your stance.

Sure, the Japanese company now has unfettered access to the US market because US Steel was over protected by tariffs and poorly managed. Now it's better managed, but the US Govt now dictates how they can operate (ie which plants to keep open or close for political expedience rather than economic reasons) and therefore the prices remain high without competition

Again, you've started that we have 100% free trade. I didn't! I said that we didn't have any. As I suggested earlier (which you called a book report, I think) research the reality of these FTA's. Even the USMC was flawed! Trump recognized it and said enough. His argument with Mexico was about buttoning up their border and stop illegal immigration and the drugs that comes through. Whether that is continuing to happen, I don't know.

US Steel was over-regulated and was presented with an unfair trade practice. It just that simple! The only people continuing to buy from US Steel, prior to the sale, was probably government agencies because of contract mandates (another mandate).

it's the same thing in pharmaceuticals. One of my closest friends has been in the industry for a long time. He is sickened by the industry and cartel like behavior that goes on. As he said, it's not only about the pharma company, even though it's bad, it's about European and US GPO's controlling too much kick-back money that just drive up cost without a real value add in the supply chain.
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

Tariffs on Penguins was the only strategy I agreed with.

At least put a smiley face on a post that laughable…
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packgrad said:

Supreme Court needs to do the right thing on 2/20 to keep this train a running. Let the TDS boys cry and wish for failure while the train keeps on rolling.




All of that was done WITH the 46 day Schumer shutdown and it's also why the democrats wanted to shutdown down the government again. They literally offer nothing to the American people but GET TRUMP.
IseWolf22
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caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?

I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…

I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.

In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…


Expert legal opinion is heavily on the side of this use of tariffs being illegal. All independent analysis of the arguments on both side will acknowledge the majority opinion is against. All lower courts have gone against Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11332?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Of course you support it. You believe in protectionism for some reasons and consume a media diet the validates your priors. Yes Biden's attempt at student loan forgiveness was also illegal and it was correct for the courts to shut it down. I'm glad they did.
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The Zombies..........LOL.......dont' want to think about it. Outta sight, outta pea-brain mind.

You can't handle the truth.

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I've posted before that I think Trump won 46-48 of the states in 2020, and he won California.
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Who has worked the hardest attacking Trump?

a) Main Stream Media
b) Hollywood
c) Socia Media Giants - Facebook, Snapchat, etc
d) Google & Youtube
e) Global Elite, World Economic Forum
f) City of London within the City of London

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It is pathetic. Granted there is much conflicting info and certainly will be plenty of AI generated content.
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Scott Jennings with 3 screaming over him. When Trump's EO re voting reqmts goes into effect, be ready for all he$$ to break lose. It's the end of the Deep State as we know it when the real vote is counted.
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LOLOL
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Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?




There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.

<shudder>
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BREAKING: Rep. Andy Biggs just submitted SEVERAL things into the record via a Unanimous Consent, and it TRUTH NUKES about Dems and Epstein that they don't want anyone to know:

Biggs: "Bombshell new docs show Trump called police about Epstein in 2006."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "Plaskett defends Biden administration decision not to release Epstein files."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "Why weren't they released during the Biden administration?"
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "House Democrat Stacy Plaskett exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "New York judge allows Epstein victims' claims against Plaskett to proceed."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "Hakeem Jeffries solicited funding from Epstein in 2013 after financier was convicted child sex offender."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "Jeffrey Epstein was invited to Dem fundraising dinner and to get to know Hakeem Jeffries by firm working with Brooklyn's Barak."
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

Biggs: "An email from Leslie Groff to Jeffrey Epstein, uh, concerning Hakeem Jeffries-"
Jim Jordan: "Without-"

Biggs: "fundraising. Uh, Epstein file says Biden was replaced in 2019, question mark?"
Jim Jordan: "Without objection."

They HATE the truth being known and Biggs just put it in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. Based.
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Bondi has a really good moment after qustion from Democrat Lofgren.
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Surprisingly, NBC News reported this.
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hokiewolf said:





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Ole Were is turning out to be clairvoyant ;-)

"I don't think there are (political) parties. I think that's all an illusion also…it's all fake."

What is this about 5 years of being right on damn near every "conspiracy theory" I've shared. ;-)

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Is Wexner one of those Kazarian Jews with the Mongolian DNA? Wonder what Leon Black's name was before it was Black? He's not a Kazaria Jew too, is he?

These Kazarian Jews are not of semitic DNA.
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hokiewolf said:



CALS grad

“Regulars, by God!”
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Pretty coool. Love the military mantra now that they're back to war fighting in lieu of DEI candy ass tour of Biden and Obama.
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Yep, either CIA, MI6 or Mossad or some combination of.

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