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caryking
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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

GuerrillaPack said:

https://instagr.am/p/DHT7C1JOdVF
id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.
Ya, I don't think they will find 1T in her numbers. That said, we need to find around 1.5T in cuts to balance the budget.
still need the cuts, which can't happen in the discretionary budget and taxes need to increase now because the can has been kicked too far. Also, don't need to balance the budget, just need to get it in line with GDP growth. Balancing the budget is a pipe dream.
Hokie, I'm not up for paying more in taxes. You can't get enough from the top 5%, unless you just take it all. Anyway you look at it, they have to balance the budget, mostly by cuts.

It is what it is…
Werewolf
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#Sieve, the gig is up, buddy.
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Werewolf
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#daSieve, not looking good, buddy.

#daGobber, LOL. You've got to straighten Elon Musk out bro.
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Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

More precisely, the Constitution was fashioned for the governance of a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any others. Therein lies the cause of strife on this forum, as many here whom are not moral and religious are gonna take umbrage when confronted with that.

I have no idea what this means. How many drinks in are you this afternoon?

Seriously though, some time pick up Freethinkers by Susan Jacoby or one of many other books that describe in detail the religious proclivities of the crafters of the Constitution.

Many of the founders and crafters themselves were not particularly religious (those that were were often Deists that weren't down with organized, traditional religion) and most were Enlightenment thinkers that valued reason and were quite skeptical of religious authority. As you know, the government they founded was intentionally secular to optimize religious freedom.

So, no, the Constitution wasn't aimed at governing religious people exclusive of others and I'm not even sure how much "moral" plays a part. Maybe it was intended to govern people that "abide by laws and/or the courts that intervene when laws are broken" but that seems self-evident.

So I'm back to not knowing what you're talking about.
#Sieve, with the oh so smooth tongue............ and forked too, LOL.
STEPHEN MILLER GOES OFF ON ROGUE JUDGES: "If a district court judge can be involved in the conduct of foreign policy, under no definition do we have a democracy in this country.

"If we get into a place in this country where district court judges could interfere and direct specific targeting or non-targeting, and say who to control territory? Could direct which general on the battlefield is gonna be in charge of making which decisions? Could direct where we can send this military asset to this country, but not this country? Could direct what intelligence we could share with Israel versus with Saudi Arabia?"

"I mean, you know, not to get too philosophical, but the for a long time in this country, its power has been concentrated principally in, in two areas, the unelected bureaucracy and the unelected judiciary."

"And power has been increasingly concentrated in these two areas. And in the case of, the hard left, the the judiciary takes steps to protect the bureaucracy, and that further shrinks the circle in which democracy is occurring."

"This is really fundamentally about democracy. The American people said to get these terrorist gangs the H*LL out of our country, the president has plenary authority under the constitution, under the Alien Enemies Act, under core Article 2 powers to achieve that."

"And no district court judge who presides over some small, like, little geography of the whole country could possibly presume to have the authority to direct the expulsion of terrorists from our soil, who, by the way, are also here illegally."

Werewolf
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The US Department of Education didn't teach #Sieve this either.
#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
Werewolf
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This could be a distraction, could be.


#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
Werewolf
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About damn time!
#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Two snippets from Jack Posobiec about the judge trying to stop the deportations. He is not wrong.

https://t.me/s/Jack_Posobiec

"Imagine a lower court telling the President he can't invade Normandy in 1944. This stuff is ridiculous on its face - and everyone knows it!

"Have these judges ever stopped to consider the fact that they don't have any means to enforce their rulings on the President, is itself proof that the Constitution never gave them that power?"







Jack Posobiec's opinion is with less than nothing. Dude is a complete grifter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec
No he's not. Great references using the sewer that is wikipedia. He served in the Navy as an Intelligence officer and as a reporter he has tons of sources everywhere.

You believing anything on wikipedia is the sad part.


I chose Wikipedia because it was the most tame write up on him. Every other source paints him as much worse.

The guy started as AngryGOTfan and then got going as a #Pizzagate conspiracy guy. He's lied about his involvement in media companies previously and is has been repeatedly caught making false statements. He's a joke almost as bad as Guerilla and Werewolf.
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IseWolf22 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

IseWolf22 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

Two snippets from Jack Posobiec about the judge trying to stop the deportations. He is not wrong.

https://t.me/s/Jack_Posobiec

"Imagine a lower court telling the President he can't invade Normandy in 1944. This stuff is ridiculous on its face - and everyone knows it!

"Have these judges ever stopped to consider the fact that they don't have any means to enforce their rulings on the President, is itself proof that the Constitution never gave them that power?"







Jack Posobiec's opinion is with less than nothing. Dude is a complete grifter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec
No he's not. Great references using the sewer that is wikipedia. He served in the Navy as an Intelligence officer and as a reporter he has tons of sources everywhere.

You believing anything on wikipedia is the sad part.


I chose Wikipedia because it was the most tame write up on him. Every other source paints him as much worse.

The guy started as AngryGOTfan and then got going as a #Pizzagate conspiracy guy. He's lied about his involvement in media companies previously and is has been repeatedly caught making false statements. He's a joke almost as bad as Guerilla and Werewolf.
You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. I won't be responding to you anymore and you will be on ignore.
SmaptyWolf
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Hey cool! Trump dismantled Voice of America. I wonder if he'll dismantle Voice of Russia in our country?

RUSSIA!
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#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
Werewolf
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If you don't watch CBS, I certainly don't, Rubio ripped this broad to shreds.

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SmaptyWolf said:

Hey cool! Trump dismantled Voice of America. I wonder if he'll dismantle Voice of Russia in our country?

RUSSIA!
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Patterns matter. I mention that because we're most certainly seeing one unfold.

The recent spate of SWATTING we've seen against Trump/Conservative/MAGA supporters implies coordination.

That matters because to SWAT someone is committing domestic terrorism - not to mention attempted murder. The potentially violent response to these calls puts everyone (including the police) in harm's way. That and sometimes the interaction goes sideways and innocent people die.

Make no mistake, those behind this crap know full well the implications of their actions. That's actually the point.

Now add in the fact that there have been far too many in just the past few days for it to be a random one-off. So, what we're left with is the high likelihood that we're seeing a coordinated domestic terrorism operation being carried out.

Think about that for a hot minute. And if I'm right we will almost certainly see this awful trend continue.

People are going to get injured and are at risk of being murdered. This is not acceptable.

We need and deserve attention paid to this STAT!

Werewolf
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Listen to the Democrats boo.......and the RINOs silently boo.
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

hokiewolf said:

GuerrillaPack said:

https://instagr.am/p/DHT7C1JOdVF
id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.
The mission of DOGE is to spew a torrent of disinformation pretending to save OMG TRILLIONS in order to "offset" the deficit-exploding billionaire giveaway budget they're planning this fall.


Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Prominently Backing Her Than Trump


https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

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Are these billionaires also getting the same tax cut?

Because a lot of billionaires know how math works and would rather not keep cutting taxes until our economy implodes, taking their billions with it. They also don't want their heads shoved through a guillotine by the masses who no longer have health care.

But yeah, call me when a Dem president literally invites billionaires in to take over governing for them.


These billionaires you speak of are free to write a check to IRS.
hokiewolf
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Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?
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GuerrillaPack
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It's not actually Soros paying for these commie fake "protesters". It's your tax money paying for it. As DOGE has exposed, Soros' NGOs and other "foundations" get their funding from the U.S. Federal Government.

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Commie libtard "rEsIsTaNcE!!" warrior reportedly arrested and will be charged with felony vandalism.


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hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.
Oldsouljer
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Generally agree. Citizenship should have its privileges. If that were not the case, and I were Trump, I'd deport Boasberg, lol
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.

"If trampling the Constitution means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it. Let's do it. Let's trample that Constitution.

Let us know how it plays out!"
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.

"If trampling the Constitution means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it. Let's do it. Let's trample that Constitution.

Let us know how it plays out!"


I noticed you didn't mind trampling the constitution or the rule of law as millions flood into the country?
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This is the judge with the insane ruling that Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members:

How many millions of Deep State commie scum and their families have fake jobs with these NGOs, Law Firms, and in the government where they are stealing TRILLIONS from hard-working American taxpayers to pay these communist trash 6-figure salaries to destroy our nation??

This is 90%+ of the rich people who live in the D.C. area making it the "richest" area in the entire country. Bunch of commie piles of trash stealing trillions from American citizens so they can live in luxury.

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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.
You don't think it's easy to separate law biding folks and gang members? Feels like ICE is picking off easy "targets" at entry points at airports to drive numbers up. This seems political more than an actual strategy.

These people were saving for a house and a family. That's now all gone to immigration lawyers. Do you think they should be able to recoup that money spent?
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The Commie Democrats always say "we need a new border bill in order to secure the border". Of course, that is a COMPLETE LIE (as we already have laws against illegal immigration, that just need to be ENFORCED), and what the Democrats and RINOs want with a new border bill is to LOOSEN the laws against illegal immigration, granting more of them "legal" status and amnesty.

Then the Democrats would say, since everyone coming across the border has been given "legal" status with this new law, "the problem is solved"….since then no one crossing the border would be technically "illegally" immigrating. And, of course, if such a bill were passed it would only OPEN THE FLOODGATES of drastically higher levels of illegal immigration.


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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.
You don't think it's easy to separate law biding folks and gang members? Feels like ICE is picking off easy "targets" at entry points at airports to drive numbers up. This seems political more than an actual strategy.

These people were saving for a house and a family. That's now all gone to immigration lawyers. Do you think they should be able to recoup that money spent?


I would not be opposed to them getting reimbursed for the money.

It's not a perfect system, far from it but what the democrats did to allow an invasion of criminals, gang members, mentally ill, national security threats…etc. poses more of a threat to millions of American citizens than what's happening to your friend. I'm sincerely sorry. I hope it works out for the best. Please let us know how it plays out.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.

"If trampling the Constitution means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it. Let's do it. Let's trample that Constitution.

Let us know how it plays out!"


I noticed you didn't mind trampling the constitution or the rule of law as millions flood into the country?
You noticed wrong then.

First, border policy is not a constitutional issue it's just a policy issue so you can kill the whataboutism there.

You can also quit with the "rule of law" stuff while you rejoice Trump's blanket pardon of Jan 6 and nobody believes the right supports the "rule of law" while supporting a president that's a convicted felon.

Second I've said multiple times on here both that Republicans can own torpedoing an approvable bipartisan border bill for no other reason than to pledge fealty to their lord and king, and that Biden could and should have EO'd his way to a partial and imperfect but better solution earlier, which he likely would have done if he knew the Congressional Republicans were going to be so utterly weak and spineless.

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We need more lower paying factory jobs tho

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Gulfstream4
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Question for all of you immigration hawks. A real world issue, as this has happened to a coworker of my brothers. Coworkers wife came over 9 years ago leagally from Colombia. Works in engineering, no criminal record. Overstayed her Visa 1 time in 2020 because of the Covid travel restrictions. But immediately fixed it by going home for the appropriate amount of time, renewed her visa and came back.

She is going through the process of getting full citizenship, but has the correct visa to work on the US. I believe they are in their 5th or 6th year of the process.

On their return trip out of country from vacation, she was detained by ICE and taken to a detention facility. She has been there for two weeks. Again, zero criminal history.

She faces deportation back to Colombia even though she has followed the rules and has established roots, is working, has a W2 and is paying taxes.

Do you think that is acceptable to deport someone like this?


I hate it for them and hopefully they can get straight but if it means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it.

Let us know how it plays out.

"If trampling the Constitution means getting more gang members, criminals, national security threats…etc. out of the country I'll take it. Let's do it. Let's trample that Constitution.

Let us know how it plays out!"


I noticed you didn't mind trampling the constitution or the rule of law as millions flood into the country?
You noticed wrong then.

First, border policy is not a constitutional issue it's just a policy issue so you can kill the whataboutism there.

You can also quit with the "rule of law" stuff while you rejoice Trump's blanket pardon of Jan 6 and nobody believes the right supports the "rule of law" while supporting a president that's a convicted felon.

Second I've said multiple times on here both that Republicans can own torpedoing an approvable bipartisan border bill for no other reason than to pledge fealty to their lord and king, and that Biden could and should have EO'd his way to a partial and imperfect but better solution earlier, which he likely would have done if he knew the Congressional Republicans were going to be so utterly weak and spineless.




You're right I noticed how you were all for stopping the invasion.

Blah-blah-blah, j6, kangaroo court, felon, scoreboard. Sent your girl packing. Can you believe that?!

That border bill was crap and worse than what we already have. I'm glad it was shot down. If I remember correctly not even the Border Patrol wanted it?

You really have nothing but severe TDS. I bet you are aging in dog years.
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