Sports Gambling/NC

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PackBacker07
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I read an article recently in the N&O (will try to find and post) about online sports gambling potentially coming to NC by the end of the year. I haven't paid attention but I guess a bill passed the House last session but the Senate declined to take it up. There seems to be momentum to get a Senate vote in the Spring or Summer. There has been bipartisan opposition stating the state shouldn't regulate and/or have a role in this, but not enough to derail it's passage (as of today). I know most here would label themselves conservative - are you ok with sports gambling being at the fingertips of adults in NC? It's potential effects positive and negative?
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kmb717
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Where there's a will there's a way. Tax it and regulate it. VA and TN have already legalized it and are collecting revenue. NC is missing out.
FlossyDFlynt
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This is one of those thats a no brainer to me. People will gladly pay the tax on it, which means more revenue for the state. Seems like a win/win
PackBacker07
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I totally agree. I also think with the (assumed) loss of state tax revenue from COVID, this should be implemented asap.

But I am interested to hear all sides of the argument. How do we feel about the "Wolfpack Football Pregame Show, presented by FanDuel?"
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Bell Tower Grey
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FlossyDFlynt said:

This is one of those thats a no brainer to me. People will gladly pay the tax on it, which means more revenue for the state. Seems like a win/win
I have no problem at all with it. What I do have a problem with is the state pissing away the revenue they make off of it.
metcalfmafia
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This was back in December from the representative pushing for it.

FlossyDFlynt
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PackBacker07 said:

I totally agree. I also think with the (assumed) loss of state tax revenue from COVID, this should be implemented asap.

But I am interested to hear all sides of the argument. How do we feel about the "Wolfpack Football Pregame Show, presented by FanDuel?"
Personally, I dont care. Its just another sponsor.

I do have the same concerns as Bell Tower Grey. If the lottery has shown us anything, the revenue would probably be mismanaged, but almost all government revenues are...so...whatever
mdreid
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why cant i log in an app and throw 20 bucks on a game when i watch people everyday without a pot to piss in spend ungodly amount on scratchoffs and lottery tickets...

legalize this **** already
Bell Tower Grey
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mdreid said:

why cant i log in an app and throw 20 bucks on a game when i watch people everyday without a pot to piss in spend ungodly amount on scratchoffs and lottery tickets...

legalize this **** already
And while they're at it, turn the ABC stores over to individual ownership enterprises instead of state control.
FlossyDFlynt
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Bell Tower Grey said:

mdreid said:

why cant i log in an app and throw 20 bucks on a game when i watch people everyday without a pot to piss in spend ungodly amount on scratchoffs and lottery tickets...

legalize this **** already
And while they're at it, turn the ABC stores over to individual ownership enterprises instead of state control.


Lord, if you want to talk about wasting government revenue...
Cornpack
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If they do it, I wonder if they'll do it like Virginia where you can't bet on the colleges from Virginia
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packgrad
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All for it.
birdiePack
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Waiting impatiently for this to happen.
Wolfer79
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Cornpack said:

If they do it, I wonder if they'll do it like Virginia where you can't bet on the colleges from Virginia


in North Carolina you will be required to bet on unc-ch to win
mdreid
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Wolfer79 said:

Cornpack said:

If they do it, I wonder if they'll do it like Virginia where you can't bet on the colleges from Virginia


in North Carolina you will be required to bet on unc-ch to win
good thing i lost all my money and guns in a boating accident...
Wolfer79
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heard on WPTF yesterday gambling bill should be voted on when General Assembly reconvene soon
mrcpack17
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Wolfer79 said:

heard on WPTF yesterday gambling bill should be voted on when General Assembly reconvene soon
Seems popular. I'm certainly for it. Chances it passes?
SexualChocolate
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mrcpack17 said:

Wolfer79 said:

heard on WPTF yesterday gambling bill should be voted on when General Assembly reconvene soon
Seems popular. I'm certainly for it. Chances it passes?


It actually has a very good chance. The only sticking point could be the tax rate on winnings. The Senate bill is relatively low compared to other states. Here is a recent article about it.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2022/04/21/legalizing-sports-betting

engineercoach
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NC needs to get on board with this. Tennessee and Virginia already have sports gambling allowed. I'm sure plenty of people drive across the border to place a few bets.
FlossyDFlynt
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engineercoach said:

NC needs to get on board with this. Tennessee and Virginia already have sports gambling allowed. I'm sure plenty of people drive across the border to place a few bets.
I have at least one friend who has some business in Virginia and he usually places something small every time hes up there for work.

Again, I think the state is just throwing away money every time they put this off. They money will be spent somewhere, the state may as well get a piece of it
Wolfer79
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Couple things:
Sports betting is legal in NC (but only at physical casinos, of which there are currently 2.5)
Current bill needs some fixes (raising tax rate, license fee, etc), but supporters are going to try to fix them with a second bill.



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I don't see gambling opposition as a conservative thing. The conservative side is not taxing it. We should open up Casinos wherever someone sees a business opportunity.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with a Harrah's Cherokee type casino somewhere in the triangle. I'm not a gambler; however, the libertarian slant, of my political spectrum, says… go for it!
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Bell Tower Grey
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Are the betting sites in VA limited to casinos, or some other dedicated gambling venue? Do their bars have the required equipment in place for someone to place bets there?

I'd hope it is set up better than buying lottery tickets at the c-store. Some of the folks operating that equipment seem barely able to do that from what I've seen.
engineercoach
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Most of it is just done of mobile devices. FanDuel, draft kings, mgm, barstool all have a sportsbook app. Really easy to use
ushum
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I just wish they would get rid of the lottery
cowboypack02
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Aren't we all already gambling on sports?

Just legalize it
FlossyDFlynt
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He does it through DraftKings
caryking
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Forget the apps, let's allow someone to build a casino with sports book.
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Wolfer79
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June 3


.North Carolina stakeholders shared optimism prior to the start of the 2022 legislative session about the possible passage of a sports betting bill. That bill has yet to be discussed in the House, however, despite the legislative session beginning a couple weeks ago.

The short legislative session concludes on June 30, meaning a few weeks remain for the House to approve the bill. It's expected the bill would go through three House committees before reaching the House floor, and it's first expected to be addressed by the House Judiciary Committee

SB 688, which passed through the Senate in 2021, would legalize mobile sports wagering in the state. Currently, retail sports betting is available at a pair of tribal-owned casinos, but if SB 688 becomes law, significantly more legal betting options would become available in the state.

Language in the bill would award 10-12 sports betting licenses, and major national sportsbook operators like BetMGM, DraftKings, and FanDuel would likely enter the market. The tax rate on the bill is 8% of adjusted gross revenue, although that number could be increased either by a House committee vote or potentially through additional legislation following the passage of SB 688.
A recent report by WRAL quoted Rep. Jason Saine offering an extremely optimistic timeline for a launch of mobile sports wagering. Saine, who has taken a leading role trying to help the legislation through the House, suggested bettors could place legal mobile bets early in the NFL season.

"It's conceivable, if not by the first of football season, certainly by mid-season," Saine said. "There might be a couple games already played, but I do think everyone who is involved in it has known something might be coming. It's not a shock to anyone."

Under the bill, the North Carolina Lottery Commission would regulate sports wagering. While a lottery spokesperson didn't want to offer Sports Handle an official comment this week since no law has been enacted, they suggested looking at other states as a guide for how North Carolina's process could unfold.

Based upon the timelines from other states, Saine's suggested timeline appears highly optimistic. It typically takes states five to six months to go from legalization to allowing mobile operators to launch. State regulators often need a couple of months to generate and receive public comment on rules before taking another couple of months to award licenses to operators.

Virginia, for example, legalized sports wagering in April 2020, but mobile sportsbooks didn't launch in the Commonwealth until nine months later. The same time span occurred when New York authorized mobile sports betting in April 2021 and mobile sportsbooks launched in January 2022.

Arizona moved at a quicker pace in 2021. The state legalized sports wagering in mid-April and mobile sportsbooks launched in September. Tennessee wasn't nearly as fast, legalizing mobile sports betting in July 2019 and allowing mobile sportsbooks to go live in the state in November 2020.

Once a bill is passed in North Carolina, Gov. Roy Cooper has 10 days to either sign or veto it. If he doesn't do anything, a bill becomes law after the 10-day period expires. The governor has expressed support for legal sports betting, so that doesn't seem to be a roadblock, but legislative and regulatory red tape often slow the process of mobile sportsbooks going live.

Based on typical timelines from legalization to launch, if North Carolina legalizes sports betting at the end of June, a launch by the end of 2022 seems possible. There would only be two months, however, before the start of the NFL season, so bettors in the state shouldn't expect legal mobile wagering options in time for kickoff.

https://sportshandle.com/bill-north-carolina-sports-wagering-waiting-house-approval/
Wolfer79
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North Carolina lawmakers next week will consider two bills to legalize online sports gambling in the state.
The bills are intended to pass in tandem. Senate Bill 688 passed a divided state Senate last year. It has been awaiting action in the House throughout the current legislative session. The House Judiciary Committee will hear the bill along with Senate Bill 38an unrelated bill that will be gutted and amended to be an accompanying sports gambling measureon Tuesday, Republican Rep.
Jason Saine

, the bill's House sponsor, told WRAL News on Thursday.

The new legislation makes significant changes to Senate Bill 688, increasing the fees and tax rates paid by sports wagering operators in the state. Operators would pay $1 millionup from $500,000 in the original billto obtain a five-year license. A renewal license would cost $1 million, up from $100,000 in the original bill. The new bill changes the way operators' tax bills are calculated with the intention of raising their tax rate to 14%. It was 8% in the original bill.

The original bill was projected to bring $8 million to $24 million annually in tax revenue to the state.

WRAL News obtained a preliminary version of the new bill, which was sent to stakeholders Thursday. The version does not allow for betting on horse races, but that will be added to the bill before its hearing on Tuesday.

Said Saine, R-Lincoln: "We had members that requested that, said 'I would probably like to support it, but if it had this,' Okay, fine." Sen. Paul LoweD-Forsyth, has been a proponent of adding horse racing to the sports g ambling legislation. Lowe is a co-sponsor of Senate Bill 688.



The second bill would have to go back to the Senate for a final vote. Lawmakers are expected to conclude the session by the end of June.

At least 20 states, including Virginia and Tennessee, have legalized online sports gambling.

Saine said legal sports bets could be placed in the state sometime this fall.

"September, October, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it's probably a little later," said Saine, chairman of the House appropriations committee. "A lot of sports right at the end of the year, first of the year, so hopefully we're there. Again, I'd hate to lose that revenue. But we're not going to go too fast to where we can't handle it."

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Proposed changes
Proposed changes to SB688 would:
Increase the tax rate from 8% to 14%.
Change the tax from a tax on adjusted gross revenue to an excise tax.
Double five-year license fee from $500,000 to $1 million.
Increase the license renewal fee from $100,000 to $1 million.
Increase fees on service provider licenses from $25,000 to $50,000 and renewals from $10,000 to $50,000.
Increase fees on supplier licenses from $15,000 to $30,000 and renewals from $5,000 to $30,000.
Allow wagering on horse races, which isn't allowed in current SB 688 and not in preliminary version of new legislation, but is expected to be added before Tuesday's hearing.
Expand definition of sports facility that is allowed to have on-premise sports lounges to include facilities that host NASCAR races (with minimum of 17,000 seats), facilities that host professional golf tournaments with more than 50,000 live spectators anticipated to attend and facilities that are the home locations of teams in Major League Baseball, Major League Soccer, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League and the National Hockey League. North Carolina does not currently have an MLB team.
Modify revenue distribution. The Department of Revenue gets up to $500,000 for administrative expenses off the top. The remaining net proceeds of the tax collected is distributed as follows: 50% to the newly created North Carolina Major Events, Games, and Attractions Fund; 5% to the North Carolina State Lottery Commission; $1 million to the Department of Health and Human Services for gambling addiction and education programs; and the remainder to the General Fund.

https://www.wral.com/north-carolina-lawmakers-to-consider-two-sports-gambling-bills/20333523/
caryking
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Wolfer79 said:

North Carolina lawmakers next week will consider two bills to legalize online sports gambling in the state.
The bills are intended to pass in tandem. Senate Bill 688 passed a divided state Senate last year. It has been awaiting action in the House throughout the current legislative session. The House Judiciary Committee will hear the bill along with Senate Bill 38an unrelated bill that will be gutted and amended to be an accompanying sports gambling measureon Tuesday, Republican Rep.
Jason Saine

, the bill's House sponsor, told WRAL News on Thursday.

The new legislation makes significant changes to Senate Bill 688, increasing the fees and tax rates paid by sports wagering operators in the state. Operators would pay $1 millionup from $500,000 in the original billto obtain a five-year license. A renewal license would cost $1 million, up from $100,000 in the original bill. The new bill changes the way operators' tax bills are calculated with the intention of raising their tax rate to 14%. It was 8% in the original bill.

The original bill was projected to bring $8 million to $24 million annually in tax revenue to the state.

WRAL News obtained a preliminary version of the new bill, which was sent to stakeholders Thursday. The version does not allow for betting on horse races, but that will be added to the bill before its hearing on Tuesday.

Said Saine, R-Lincoln: "We had members that requested that, said 'I would probably like to support it, but if it had this,' Okay, fine." Sen. Paul LoweD-Forsyth, has been a proponent of adding horse racing to the sports g ambling legislation. Lowe is a co-sponsor of Senate Bill 688.



The second bill would have to go back to the Senate for a final vote. Lawmakers are expected to conclude the session by the end of June.

At least 20 states, including Virginia and Tennessee, have legalized online sports gambling.

Saine said legal sports bets could be placed in the state sometime this fall.

"September, October, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it's probably a little later," said Saine, chairman of the House appropriations committee. "A lot of sports right at the end of the year, first of the year, so hopefully we're there. Again, I'd hate to lose that revenue. But we're not going to go too fast to where we can't handle it."

Sports Betting FAQ

Proposed changes
Proposed changes to SB688 would:
Increase the tax rate from 8% to 14%.
Change the tax from a tax on adjusted gross revenue to an excise tax.
Double five-year license fee from $500,000 to $1 million.
Increase the license renewal fee from $100,000 to $1 million.
Increase fees on service provider licenses from $25,000 to $50,000 and renewals from $10,000 to $50,000.
Increase fees on supplier licenses from $15,000 to $30,000 and renewals from $5,000 to $30,000.
Allow wagering on horse races, which isn't allowed in current SB 688 and not in preliminary version of new legislation, but is expected to be added before Tuesday's hearing.
Expand definition of sports facility that is allowed to have on-premise sports lounges to include facilities that host NASCAR races (with minimum of 17,000 seats), facilities that host professional golf tournaments with more than 50,000 live spectators anticipated to attend and facilities that are the home locations of teams in Major League Baseball, Major League Soccer, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League and the National Hockey League. North Carolina does not currently have an MLB team.
Modify revenue distribution. The Department of Revenue gets up to $500,000 for administrative expenses off the top. The remaining net proceeds of the tax collected is distributed as follows: 50% to the newly created North Carolina Major Events, Games, and Attractions Fund; 5% to the North Carolina State Lottery Commission; $1 million to the Department of Health and Human Services for gambling addiction and education programs; and the remainder to the General Fund.

https://www.wral.com/north-carolina-lawmakers-to-consider-two-sports-gambling-bills/20333523/
That bill is ridiculous!! Too many rules to just place a bet. Whatever…
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A late-session effort to authorize and regulate sports gambling in North Carolina pressed forward Tuesday in the state House, nearly a year after a measure that would make such betting lawful cleared the Senate.

A divided House judiciary committee voted for two bills one the exact same legislation that passed the Senate and another that makes edits to that proposal.

The changes were the product of negotiations among legislators and Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper's office, a key legislator said. Representatives of major sports leagues, North Carolina-based pro franchises and casino operators also have been involved in the broader legislation.

We had ... a ton of other people involved in this, and it was slow-moving and a lot of conversations. This is an individual issue and some are comfortable, some are not," said Sen. Jim Perry, a Lenoir County Republican shepherding the gambling legislation, which both passed the committee by 6-3 votes.

The legislative maneuvering passing two bills instead of amending the original Senate measure reflects the unusual nature of the gambling issue in a Republican-controlled General Assembly where social conservatives still carry great weight. Democratic support will be needed for sports wagering to become legalized.

The two-bill strategy also means the Senate, where more than half of the Republicans voted against the initial measure last August, wouldn't be put on the spot again to vote on the primary piece of legislation.

After two more committee meetings, the bills could reach the House floor later this week.

Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper has said he's ready to sign sports wagering legislation that's brought to his desk. The idea is advancing as legislative leaders insist they will wrap up their annual work session around July 1.

Since the Senate bill cleared a House commerce panel last November, backers of sports betting made significant changes to the revised package, including higher tax rates and fees for gambling companies who get one of the state's prized operator licenses.

The North Carolina Education Lottery Commission still would issue between 10 and 12 interactive sports wagering operator licenses along with supplier and service provider licenses.

The licensees could set up online apps so people within the state's boundaries could play on their phones starting in January.

The updated legislation adds out-of-state horse racing to the list of professional and college sports that could be wagered upon. And NASCAR tracks are identified among the types of professional sporting venues that could have in-person betting at the site or close by.

License applications and renewals would be much higher than the Senate measure proposed. A sports wagering company would have to pay a $1 million application fee for both an initial five-year license and renewals, for example

The package also would require interactive sports wagering operators to pay a 14% privilege tax based on gross wagering revenues minus players' winnings and other deductions. That deletes an 8% tax on adjusted gross revenues that had been in the Senate measure.

After expenses are paid to the lottery commission and Department of Revenue and $2 million goes annually for problem-gambling programs, the remaining net proceeds would be split between the state's coffers and a special fund designed to attract sporting events and attractions to the state.

The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians opened on-site betting operations in 2021 at its two far western North Carolina casinos thanks to earlier legislation.

Backers of North Carolina sports gambling regulation say such betting already occurs through offshore online websites or local bookies, and it's better for the state to control the activity and tax it.

But critics say the additional revenues that state sanction of sports betting would create pales in comparison to the negative effects upon family and society that the increase in the number of gambling addicts will cause.

"These gambling bills conflict with my values," said Rep. Abe Jones, a Wake County Democrat, former judge and committee member. "I'm not going to use my vote from this place to support gambling. I think it's wrong."

Republican leaders used a chamber rule to add additional GOP spots on the panel so that the bills could pass, even as some other GOP committee members were absent.

https://www.wral.com/nc-sports-gambling-advances-in-house-as-session-winds-down/20341467/
PackBacker07
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One bill passes 51-50, one bro changes his vote and the other bill fails 50-51, essentially shelving sports betting. This legislature continues to **** up even the simplest tasks.
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Cornpack
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They tried to change it at the last second to exclude college sports. I think had that not changed maybe it would have been different
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engineercoach
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Incredibly disappointing.
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