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cowboypack02 said:

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I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.

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I agree that expansion could make some sense but that there is no mechanism to keep it from escalating. IMO, any court expansion should take place via constitutional amendment so that we are locked into an agreed upon model. There would also need to be some mechanism for "fair expansion. Something like giving the Senate Majority and minority leader 2 nominations each and voting on all 4 new additions as an agreed upon slate.

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Yep.

This turning into a partisan arms race has a very predictable and unfortunate trajectory.

The way the Dems are approaching this is stupid partisan politics.

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It will also take 75% of states, so, we all know they will do it, if they can, without an amendment.

Always remember, those in Washington who are pushing for this change.....be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

And later regret it.

Tootie4Pack said:

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Always remember, those in Washington who are pushing for this change.....be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

And later regret it.

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Let the Republicans get control of everything, then push the number to 50 and fill it in with conservative judges. Or, they can remove the ones appointed... remember, nothing says, in the constitution, that a justice is for life...


I agree, be careful what you ask for...

Was North Carolina stolen from the Democrats? Or does it just work in "swing states" that Republicans lost?

You didn't have a bolded word to call me?

Elephant walking with BBW, like usual.

cowboypack02 said:

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I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.

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I agree with you here.

PackBacker07 said:

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Elephant walking with BBW, like usual.

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No name needed. Everyone knows who and what you are.

PackBacker07 said:

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Elephant walking with BBW, like usual.

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Are you an ass (sorry, meant donkey)?

Cool, bro. Keep calling for an armed insurrection against the country the you claim to love. I'm not sure the "socialists" as you say have rallied for succession and/or "civil war." Sounds like you really love this nation.

You cool man, don't stoop to their level.

Or was this supposed to be an attempt at humor?

What substance have you given to any thread here? Glass houses.

What am I? If you know me so well, let's hear it? Are you throwing me in with all the bolded names? Come on man, show your work, this is lazy, even for you.

Ok, what's the evidence?

PackBacker07 said:

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What substance have you given to any thread here? Glass houses.

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Plenty. Unlike you I contribute instead of just troll. You're pitiful.

pineknollshoresking said:

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PackBacker07 said:

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You cool man, don't stoop to their level.

Or was this supposed to be an attempt at humor?

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Humor

And, this thread got off the rails...

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That's what happens when the trolls show up. Zero substance.

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What am I? If you know me so well, let's hear it? Are you throwing me in with all the bolded names? Come on man, show your work, this is lazy, even for you.

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Obviously drunk posting on a Monday night..... Again.... I remember my first beer.

No need to. Once again in your drunken stupor you proved that you bring nothing to table when you show up randomly to troll. The depth of your posts is telling of your intellect.

Sleep it off junior.... you continue to embarrass yourself each and every time you come on here.

I was with you on the New republican party until this:

• Low taxes, less regulation. Take the grip off business

I don't agree here. If you are going to have businesses get absolutely political like they did in GA then screw them.

The instant ANY business, i.e. MLB, NFL etc... that benefits from anti-trust laws dips their toes into politics as a company, not the individuals, they should lose it all.

Now the businesses can mandate that their employees refrain from making political statements. Many employers do that today and if you want a job you follow the rules.

That's how it should happen.

I'm pretty interested in the immigration topic, Specifically:

Immigration to cheapen labor for business

The Republican Party is starting to reshape into:

Strong immigration law. Stop the illegal passing into the country

I'd like to understand your first point better, because I've been reading Alex Nowrasteh's book on immigration policy and other then meat packing plants, agricultural labor, and janitorial services, immigration doesn't really depress wages for natural born Americans. There is an argument however to be made that there is a slightly more significant depression of wages in other work categories when you compare between older immigrant populations vs new immigrants.

To your second point, what additional law would you pass that would strengthen immigration? I honestly believe we have way too many immigrations laws that have artificially depressed the amount of available avenues of legal immigration into this country which has inflated the amount of illegal immigration. To me, current US policy on immigration (and by current I mean the last 15-20 years) is attempting to regulate a black market (illegal immigration) which is basically impossible.

In my opinion, I think that we need more avenues of legal immigration then less. I have come to the belief that I do not have any issue what so ever for anyone who wants to improve their livelihood by coming to this country legally should be afforded that opportunity.

Interesting post hokie.

Will have to check out Nowrasteh's book.

Being in construction, an industry that has for years had a pronounced-and-getting-worse labor shortage even with labor numbers being bolstered very signficantly by immigrants, I often idly wonder what the effect would be if immigration policy tightened.

Few non-immigrant Americans want to do construction work that is physically demanding and much more dangerous than many other sectors of the economy, even with safety precautions taken.

From a macro perspective, you could argue that if immigration was curtailed, the labor shortage in construction would initially become even more pronounced, wages would rise in accordance with a labor supply shortage, and Americans not currently in a construction trade would eventually become incentivized to train in a trade and move into the industry to fill the void and experience the much-higher-than-previous construction trade wages.

At what cost, however? Housing prices would surely go up to account for the higher wages being paid non-immigrant Americans. Affordable housing is already in grossly short supply in the US. This would make that problem worse, not better.

Also, training new workers in the industry and getting them experience as junior staff members until they are competent to work independently takes years. Making the already-bad labor shortage worse in construction could slow the industry, which would have far-reaching economic impacts. Construction is currently a primary driver of the economy coming out of the COVID recession.

There would be other collateral effects I'm sure. It's a complex issue.

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Interesting post hokie.

Will have to check out Nowrasteh's book.

Being in construction, an industry that has for years had a pronounced-and-getting-worse labor shortage even with labor numbers being bolstered very signficantly by immigrants, I often idly wonder what the effect would be if immigration policy tightened.

Few non-immigrant Americans want to do construction work that is physically demanding and much more dangerous than other sectors of the economy, even with safety precautions taken.

From a macro perspective, you could argue that if immigration was curtailed, the labor shortage in construction would initially become even more pronounced, wages would rise in accordance with a labor supply shortage, and Americans not currently in a construction trade would eventually become incentivized to train in a trade and move into the industry to fill the void and experience the much-higher-than-previous construction trade wages.

At what cost, however? Housing prices would surely go up to account for the higher wages being paid non-immigrant Americans. Affordable housing is already in grossly short supply in the US. This would make that problem worse, not better.

There would be other collateral effects I'm sure. It's a complex issue.

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I'm in construction as well. My view is that the Hispanics coming in start dominating the trades like masonry and drywall among others. There was a generation of construction workers that were basically displaced because a lot of the hispanics would come in and work for super cheap rates so if you employed all local born Americans you couldn't compete. Many of the workers that were older would finish out their days and retire. That's been happening for decades but then we had this major push also with the younger crowd to go to college and do better. The trades were discouraged. Construction is a hard sell to begin with but the school systems played a big part in helping it die off with the younger crowd. Then you had the recession of 2008. So many workers were laid off in those years and never came back. Ever since we came out of the recession we've had labor shortages. They only get worse as more retire. There's been an awareness in recent years to try to fix this trend but it will take a long time and in the meantime everyone should expect to pay premiums for any repair, renovation, or new construction.

Because guess what else... those hispanics that came over years ago and started undercutting with cheaper labor... well they now want everything the traditional worker was getting.

ncsualum05 said:

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Civilized said:

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Interesting post hokie.

Will have to check out Nowrasteh's book.

Being in construction, an industry that has for years had a pronounced-and-getting-worse labor shortage even with labor numbers being bolstered very signficantly by immigrants, I often idly wonder what the effect would be if immigration policy tightened.

Few non-immigrant Americans want to do construction work that is physically demanding and much more dangerous than other sectors of the economy, even with safety precautions taken.

From a macro perspective, you could argue that if immigration was curtailed, the labor shortage in construction would initially become even more pronounced, wages would rise in accordance with a labor supply shortage, and Americans not currently in a construction trade would eventually become incentivized to train in a trade and move into the industry to fill the void and experience the much-higher-than-previous construction trade wages.

At what cost, however? Housing prices would surely go up to account for the higher wages being paid non-immigrant Americans. Affordable housing is already in grossly short supply in the US. This would make that problem worse, not better.

There would be other collateral effects I'm sure. It's a complex issue.

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I'm in construction as well. My view is that the Hispanics coming in start dominating the trades like masonry and drywall among others. There was a generation of construction workers that were basically displaced because a lot of the hispanics would come in and work for super cheap rates so if you employed all local born Americans you couldn't compete. Many of the workers that were older would finish out their days and retire. That's been happening for decades but then we had this major push also with the younger crowd to go to college and do better. The trades were discouraged. Construction is a hard sell to begin with but the school systems played a big part in helping it die off with the younger crowd. Then you had the recession of 2008. So many workers were laid off in those years and never came back. Ever since we came out of the recession we've had labor shortages. They only get worse as more retire. There's been an awareness in recent years to try to fix this trend but it will take a long time and in the meantime everyone should expect to pay premiums for any repair, renovation, or new construction.

Because guess what else... those hispanics that came over years ago and started undercutting with cheaper labor... well they now want everything the traditional worker was getting.

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Agreed. In particular with the last point. The price difference isn't what it used to be, if at all, nowadays. Sure, you can find super cheap laborers, but they're also fly by night guys. Reputable subcontractors know their rates and stay within them. There is plenty of work out there. They don't need to go cheap.

cowboypack02 said:

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I was with you on the New republican party until this:

• Low taxes, less regulation. Take the grip off business

I don't agree here. If you are going to have businesses get absolutely political like they did in GA then screw them.

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One's political opinion is not a basis for treating them different. A company does not have a mouth; therefore, the company is a platform for those that have a mouth. It is what it is...

I would stop taxing businesses, all together, and try and and get a new ruling on Citizen's United case.

I would like to get away from taxing individuals and businesses completely. Lets go back to what we did before income taxes and just place tariffs on products coming into the country instead.

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I'm pretty interested in the immigration topic, Specifically:

Immigration to cheapen labor for business

The Republican Party is starting to reshape into:

Strong immigration law. Stop the illegal passing into the country

I'd like to understand your first point better, because I've been reading Alex Nowrasteh's book on immigration policy and other then meat packing plants, agricultural labor, and janitorial services, immigration doesn't really depress wages for natural born Americans. There is an argument however to be made that there is a slightly more significant depression of wages in other work categories when you compare between older immigrant populations vs new immigrants.

To your second point, what additional law would you pass that would strengthen immigration? I honestly believe we have way too many immigrations laws that have artificially depressed the amount of available avenues of legal immigration into this country which has inflated the amount of illegal immigration. To me, current US policy on immigration (and by current I mean the last 15-20 years) is attempting to regulate a black market (illegal immigration) which is basically impossible.

In my opinion, I think that we need more avenues of legal immigration then less. I have come to the belief that I do not have any issue what so ever for anyone who wants to improve their livelihood by coming to this country legally should be afforded that opportunity.

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I do not know the book you are referencing; however, think about it this way. Another post talked about the labor market getting cheaper, in the construction industry years ago. The American work force was eradicated from the industry within a few trades (Painting, Drywall, Framing, possibly foundation work as well); yet, when you look at trades HVAC, Plumbing, etc, they have stayed mostly within the historic American workforce (Basically, non-hispanic immigrants).

When looking at the people who are aligning, more closely, with stopping illegal immigration, well, they happen to be hispanics (whether legal or illegal). Why? They don't the want same thing to happen to them!

Do you blame them?

As far as the actions I would do:

• Finish the wall
• Ramp up on Border Patrol
• Take away the incentive - restate the 14th Amendment with its original intent
• Leverage neighboring country's by threatening sanctions, Tariffs, or whatever in order to get them to help solve the problem

That sounds like exactly what Trump was doing and look at the mess Biden has us in...

• Legal Immigration - We have to have a solution that simplifies the process to become a citizen. Within that process, we should create controls on who and how many people we allow into the country
• This one may piss off my conservative brethren... Once the above is done, I would ask for all illegals to step in line to the new process and become a citizen. We are not kicking them out!!!
• That number of existing illegals will count against the "How Many" we allow in to the country.

cowboypack02 said:

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I would like to get away from taxing individuals and businesses completely. Lets go back to what we did before income taxes and just place tariffs on products coming into the country instead.

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Well, I agree with this... I just don't know the revenue means that need to be taken in order to service the Federal Government.