Expansion of the Supreme Court of the United States

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9:40p, 4/14/21
I will make an effort to refrain from offending any of the members of the Democrat Party....

The expansion of the Supreme Court appears to be moving forward.

The Democrat Party wants to expand from 9 to 13. Assuring that any and all legislation will be regulated from the bench instead of in Congress.

Please explain to me why this is OK.

The chips fell and yes, Garland wasn't given a vote. What would the Democrats have done? Same thing with Barrett. The Democrats would have done the same.

The Democrats didn't win in 2016 so the GOP changed the rules for the SCOTUS. Harry Reid changed the rules for Federal Court appointees prior to that when in fact, had he not nominated far left Justices it wouldn't have had to happen.

Now, they want to fundamentally change the entire Judicial System of the United States, which will in turn change the entire political dynamic of this country.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-expanding-supreme-court-forthcoming-legislation

If HR1 passes via this new move we will be a "one party rule" country powered by California and the North East.

D.C. and Puerto Rico will be added as States ensuring Democrat rule forever. No doubt on that.

I hope that each one of you realize the power grab and what is going on today in the country.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland's delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin "Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy." Franklin replied, "A republic . . . if you can keep it."

Dr. McHenry, a great Irishman, of course I'm partial, It looks like we will be tested. I can assure each and every one of you the power grab being played out before us is nothing short of dismantling the Constitution, our morals, values and most of all, who we are as Americans.

This will lead to secession of many states. Not violent, but there will be secession.

The Democrat Party loses elections and when they do and they get the chance they change the rules. They only care about power. Watch and see how this plays out. If this comes to fruition there is going to be an uprising.

They don't care about the Electoral College, the "fly over states," the voted in minority etc....

If they get 13 seats this country as we know it will have single party rule. No Electoral College, voting regulated by the ruling party and government run everything.

Is this what the Democrats want? Some of you need to do some soul searching and think this through. There are 74 million Americans that voted for the candidate on the Right. Do you honestly think that the resolve in those 74 million are going to bow down to Schumer, Pelosi, AOC and that branch of government?

If you do I suggest you pick up a history book.

I pray for this Country tonight and the direction the Democrats are leading it.

Take this seriously. It's playing out in real time.
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2:47a, 4/15/21
Here's an article I'd recommend on the topic https://thedispatch.com/p/bidens-supreme-court-commission-is . The author of the article spoke (virtually) at my school this week and he's someone who I think is a good follow, especially on SCOTUS related matters. He just wrote a book last year on the history of Supreme Court nominations as well. Long story short, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. It is just performative politics so that Biden can say he did something. Nothing is going to actually come of this and I would bet a significant amount of money on that.
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6:45a, 4/15/21
lol
Y'all means ALL.
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In reply to PackBacker07 • 8:19a, 4/15/21
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lol


Substantive like usual.
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In reply to packgrad • 8:52a, 4/15/21
Clowns like him.... I'll leave it at that.
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8:57a, 4/15/21
I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.

The truth is that the same people who are cheering this on and the politicians who are pushing for this would of called our last president a dictator for even mentioning the idea. For four years of the Trump presidency we heard how Trump is a dictator. It seems to me that those same voices are very quiet now when the current president and administrator has gone so far beyond anything that any other president has even done in terms of taking absolute power its not even funny. It also seems to me that it pretty dictatorial to absolutely destroy every political norm because you can't get enough people in the senate behind you so you can get your way. For god sakes you had 7 republicans senators vote to impeach Trump 3 months ago so you cant tell me that no one will work with you.

I am sure that someone is going to mention that McConnell got rid of the filibuster for SC nominees...and I didn't agree with that. I also didn't agree when Harry Reid did the same thing in 2013 to get a bunch of far left leaning judges into office because he didn't have the 60 vote threshold either.

Just to make sure that I mention it - I don't think that they should get rid of the filibuster or expand the senate (or house for that matter). The senate is meant to be a deliberative body where every state gets equal representation. The house is where states get a proportional vote according to their population. It should stay that way.

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9:00a, 4/15/21
The most significant statement in the article...

And the tilt to law school faculty will make it easier to dismiss the commission's work as ivory-tower pontification with little relevance to the real world.

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9:05a, 4/15/21
This is communism. They want TOTAL power. They don't play fairly and "by the rules". They will use every form of deceit and cheating in order to try to achieve their agenda. And now that they have infiltrated the levers of power so much across all levels of government (state and federal) and society (media, etc) to institute totally and completely rigged/fraudulent "elections", you can't even vote them out of office.

Next they are trying to enact major gun bans and confiscation, and wage war against the Second Amendment. And in the future things like "hate speech" legislation (to ban certain types of speech) that blatantly violates the First Amendment. And also the many draconian acts that are planned with this contrived "covid" scamdemic. They want to have a Supreme Court that will rubber stamp these unconstitutional acts, so that they can establish the totalitarian society they have planned.
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9:06a, 4/15/21
And another good point...

at a time when the court regularly decides major political controversies because the federal government has amassed too much power and Congress has abdicated its policymaking responsibility by punting to the executive branch, which then gets sued.

For example, the culture war over contraceptive coverage under Obamacare; remember, the Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor cases were based on action by regulatory agencies, not anything Congress legislated.

That abdicating, by congress, is exactly what creates permanent power and the mindset some have saying: Deep State!!!
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In reply to GuerrillaPack • 9:27a, 4/15/21
GuerrillaPack said:
This is communism. They want TOTAL power. They don't play fairly and "by the rules". They will use every form of deceit and cheating in order to try to achieve their agenda. And now that they have infiltrated the levers of power so much across all levels of government (state and federal) and society (media, etc) to institute totally and completely rigged/fraudulent "elections", you can't even vote them out of office.

Next they are trying to institute major gun bans and confiscation, and wage war against the Second Amendment. And in the future things like "hate speech" legislation (to ban certain types of speech) that blatantly violates the First Amendment. And also the many draconian acts that are planned with this contrived "covid" scamdemic. They want to have a Supreme Court that will rubber stamp these unconstitutional acts, so that they can institute the totalitarian society they have planned.
That is one of the things that I agree with. If you look at the split on the votes in the SC, I can tell you the way that the democrats on the court are going to rule by reading the headline on the case. I can't do that with the republicans on the courts, except for John Roberts (and he is voting with the democrats). If we work off of that assumption then to extrapolate that out then we can make the assumption that anyone that a democrat president puts on the SC is going to vote a certain way without fail
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In reply to caryking • 10:30a, 4/15/21
pineknollshoresking said:
And another good point...

at a time when the court regularly decides major political controversies because the federal government has amassed too much power and Congress has abdicated its policymaking responsibility by punting to the executive branch, which then gets sued.

For example, the culture war over contraceptive coverage under Obamacare; remember, the Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor cases were based on action by regulatory agencies, not anything Congress legislated.

That abdicating, by congress, is exactly what creates permanent power and the mindset some have saying: Deep State!!!
It all seemed to start with not passing an actual yearly budget and has morphed into less and less congressional action on items of regular order.
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In reply to caryking • 10:44a, 4/15/21
pineknollshoresking said:
And another good point...

at a time when the court regularly decides major political controversies because the federal government has amassed too much power and Congress has abdicated its policymaking responsibility by punting to the executive branch, which then gets sued.

For example, the culture war over contraceptive coverage under Obamacare; remember, the Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor cases were based on action by regulatory agencies, not anything Congress legislated.

That abdicating, by congress, is exactly what creates permanent power and the mindset some have saying: Deep State!!!
I actually very much agree with you on this post
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In reply to cowboypack02 • 10:47a, 4/15/21
cowboypack02 said:
I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.
I agree that expansion could make some sense but that there is no mechanism to keep it from escalating. IMO, any court expansion should take place via constitutional amendment so that we are locked into an agreed upon model. There would also need to be some mechanism for "fair expansion. Something like giving the Senate Majority and minority leader 2 nominations each and voting on all 4 new additions as an agreed upon slate.

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11:06a, 4/15/21
I honestly looked on RCP this morning and couldn't believe what I saw. 3 articles in a row... one about expansion of supreme court, one about DC statehood, and one about nuking the filibuster.

Guys this is not how our country/ government was intended to work. We are hanging on by a thread right now but these radical steps will be the end of what's left of the US. I encourage all democrats to join me and denounce these radical proposals. We all know politics is a dirty game and we know that majorities can take some liberties. In 2013 Harry Reid decided we needed to ram judges through without 60 votes. Then in 2016 after Trump got elected the democrats decided there was no way they were going to vote for anyone or anything so we expanded the nuke that Reid started to supreme court. This has gone too far.

There's a fine line between the winner/ majority gets to take some political advantages versus nuking the country as we know it and we're there. And conservatives and republicans warned everyone last election in the campaign that they might propose these things but people dismissed it as right wing campaign fear mongering.
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11:14a, 4/15/21
The communist Democrats want to nuke the country and the Constitution.

When communist radicals like Kamala and AOC talk about wanting to "change America", this is what they are talking about...BIG and radical change to our way of life - massive gun bans, Big Tech silencing conservatives so that no one can speak out against the Leftist/communist agenda, rigging elections and the Supreme Court to cement communist/Leftist rule of the nation, etc.

The Democrats also want to abolish the electoral college. They are constantly looking at ways to undermine our Constitution, and system of government as it has existed for over 200 years. They HATE this country as it was established by our Founding Fathers. That is why they want to CHANGE it. The Left are now open and admitted enemies of freedom of speech, as well as gun rights and the Second Amendment. They are now the cheerleaders of totalitarianism and locking down society and stripping us of our remaining freedoms, over the covid Scamdemic.

The Democrats are communists...PERIOD. They are openly for taking away our freedoms, and establishing a totalitarian society.
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11:45a, 4/15/21


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played
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11:46a, 4/15/21
Having the extremist Ed Markey leading this charge is gold...pure gold....

The SOCIALIST PARTY is just too damn funny.....

He is making this a purely partisan political statement. He has zero self awareness like many of his party and their blind sheep followers.

Then you have Hank "Island Tipper" Johnson on stage.



Do you people actually think this was a good idea? Wow...just wow...

You lefties have 1 year and 8 months.....enjoy. After that I hope and pray the GOP goes scorched Earth and destroys every damn liberal ideology in existence.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 12:01p, 4/15/21
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Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.
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12:05p, 4/15/21
Ice Cream Queen tells the group of COMMUNISTS from her SOCIALIST PARTY to go pound sand.... she knows she just lost the House and the Senate will be lost as well. Way to go lefties... once again y'all can't help but to grab defeat out of the jaws of victory. Marching that group of left wing radicals on stage was a God send for the GOP...now they are spouting off about the evils of white men and how illegitimate the Supreme Court is.... Wow...just Wow....

Demand Justice is the most radical left wing group in the history of American Politics... did you lefties actually think this was the group to deliver a message to the American people that would work? Damn.....

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In reply to BBW12OG • 12:07p, 4/15/21
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You lefties have 1 year and 8 months.....enjoy. After that I hope and pray the GOP goes scorched Earth and destroys every damn liberal ideology in existence.


Don't count on it - with the blatantly rigged "elections" we now have.

Sadly, the "Establishment" Republicans (who control the party) are controlled opposition. They are not true conservatives, and only PRETEND to oppose the socialist/leftist agenda (ie, with empty rhetoric), while actually supporting policies that advance the leftist and globalist agenda - such as doing nothing to stop illegal immigration, and supporting massive big government size/spending and debt.

For example, look at how the RINO Republican Establishment in Georgia went along with the election fraud and allowed the Democrats to steal Georgia for Biden and steal 2 Senate seats. And that went on all across the country in many other states and in the courts, with the Establishment GOP complicit in the election fraud, all the way up to the Supreme Court.
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In reply to packgrad • 1:15p, 4/15/21
packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.
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In reply to packofwolves • 1:19p, 4/15/21
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packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.


Hopefully it takes a long time.
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In reply to packgrad • 1:34p, 4/15/21
76% of Americans are against court expansion according to the talking heads that were covering the "press conference" today.

The campaign ads wrote themselves today and Ice Cream Queen knows it. She's pissed that they trotted out there and spouted off lies and nonsense.

No way in hell they keep the house and Senate.
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In reply to packofwolves • 1:51p, 4/15/21
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packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.



Exactly. These are evil, power hungry people. They ain't stopping.
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2:25p, 4/15/21
Packing the court is just a dangerous and short-sighted exercise of raw, political power.

Democrats played with fire once when Harry Reid ditched the filibuster, which likely led to this point. If the court is expanded, what do people think will happen the next time the Rs have unified control of the Legislative and Executive branches?

It'll destroy any credibility that the courts have as an independent judiciary -- regardless of impact and future decisions.
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In reply to packofwolves • 2:32p, 4/15/21
packofwolves said:
packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.
She understands its political suicide. If she puts it on the floor, any yes vote is in big time trouble come their next election cycle. Despite Democrats winning the presidency and the two seats in Georgia, Republicans made up big ground in the house. There isn't a quicker way to ensure Republican control in 2022 than putting that bill to the vote.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 3:03p, 4/15/21
FlossyDFlynt said:
packofwolves said:
packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.
She understands its political suicide. If she puts it on the floor, any yes vote is in big time trouble come their next election cycle. Despite Democrats winning the presidency and the two seats in Georgia, Republicans made up big ground in the house. There isn't a quicker way to ensure Republican control in 2022 than putting that bill to the vote.
In a year where the democrats have taken "control" they only have a 50-50 senate and a meager 218-212 majority in the house I'd say she's smart enough to know they're going to get wiped out in 2022 with COVID in the rearview and all this crap being put out there. I don't know why she'd care to be speaker any longer anyways but that's how sick these politicians are. She's like 145 years old.
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4:18p, 4/15/21
Typical lefties...... Like many on here have said.... "there's always a tweet...."

This is nothing more nothing less than a political power play. Once again...lefties stepping on their own dicks.

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In reply to BBW12OG • 9:44p, 4/15/21
BBW12OG said:
Typical lefties...... Like many on here have said.... "there's always a tweet...."

This is nothing more nothing less than a political power play. Once again...lefties stepping on their own dicks.


I think that is from the period when Merrick Garland couldn't get a vote. Not saying that we needed to stay at 9 but that we needed to return from 8 to 9 after the vacancy due to Scalia's death.
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In reply to Cornpack • 8:00a, 4/16/21
So why wasn't it 13 then as well? The premise of changing from 9 to 13 is nothing but political and everyone knows it. Thanks for the free campaign ad information. It will do wonders in 2022.

No seat was "stolen." Nothing illegal was done. The SOCIALIST PARTY would have done the exact same thing if they were in power with Gorsuch and ACB. Anyone of you that says different is lying through your liberal teeth. Like Dear Leader said..."elections have consequences..."

Also for the lefties if this doesn't pass now are you going to be all in for 13 Justices when the GOP has all three branches of Government in 2024?

If not why not?
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ncsualum05 said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
packofwolves said:
packgrad said:
FlossyDFlynt said:


Ill give Pelosi some credit, she knows how the game is played


That is good news. Cheers to her.


She doesn't support it for now. Wait until the study is completed.
She understands its political suicide. If she puts it on the floor, any yes vote is in big time trouble come their next election cycle. Despite Democrats winning the presidency and the two seats in Georgia, Republicans made up big ground in the house. There isn't a quicker way to ensure Republican control in 2022 than putting that bill to the vote.
In a year where the democrats have taken "control" they only have a 50-50 senate and a meager 218-212 majority in the house I'd say she's smart enough to know they're going to get wiped out in 2022 with COVID in the rearview and all this crap being put out there. I don't know why she'd care to be speaker any longer anyways but that's how sick these politicians are. She's like 145 years old.


Just my opinion, but I think Pelosi is waiting for the study to come back with the ammo to push for court expansion. Then she and her party will put on the full court press. I have no doubt the commission Biden put together will give Dems the conclusion they want.
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In reply to packofwolves • 3:51p, 4/16/21
Of course it will. There are 3 members of Demand Justice on the panel. Two "RINOS" and one supposed independent.

This is a moot point. They will justify it by saying each district needs a judge. It won't happen though unless Manchin's great great great great grandkids are multi-millionaires and even then I'm not sure Pelosi will go that far.

Now if the Senate stays SOCIALIST and they pick up a seat or two in 2022 the 2nd Civil War will be at hand. Guaranteed.
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In reply to IseWolf22 • 4:18p, 4/16/21
IseWolf22 said:
cowboypack02 said:
I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.
I agree that expansion could make some sense but that there is no mechanism to keep it from escalating. IMO, any court expansion should take place via constitutional amendment so that we are locked into an agreed upon model. There would also need to be some mechanism for "fair expansion. Something like giving the Senate Majority and minority leader 2 nominations each and voting on all 4 new additions as an agreed upon slate.


Yep.

This turning into a partisan arms race has a very predictable and unfortunate trajectory.

The way the Dems are approaching this is stupid partisan politics.
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In reply to Civilized • 4:47p, 4/16/21
Civilized said:
IseWolf22 said:
cowboypack02 said:
I actually kinda see the reasoning behind this of having a federal judge per each federal court district. Unfortunately at the same time there is nothing to keep the party in power from deciding that they want to create 10 or 15 new federal court districts and then having 10-15 new SC judges. Because of that I am against this.
I agree that expansion could make some sense but that there is no mechanism to keep it from escalating. IMO, any court expansion should take place via constitutional amendment so that we are locked into an agreed upon model. There would also need to be some mechanism for "fair expansion. Something like giving the Senate Majority and minority leader 2 nominations each and voting on all 4 new additions as an agreed upon slate.


Yep.

This turning into a partisan arms race has a very predictable and unfortunate trajectory.

The way the Dems are approaching this is stupid partisan politics.
Wow... you do have a few good ideas. The GOP would like to thank you and your SOCIALIST brethren for so much campaign material for 2022. Standing on the steps of the United States Supreme Court with the clown posse was awesome. Thank God the steps didn't "tip over" from all of the weight......

The Ice Cream Queen knows how to count votes and she knows she is screwed in 2022. That's why AOC and Flunky Bunch have jumped ranks and went rogue the last week or so. You think she OK'd that **** show performance yesterday? Look at the people who were there? Clowns. The whole damn lot of them.

Any time you have Tip Over Johnson as a lead speaker for anything you know it's a joke.
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