Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Now imagine if your wife was from say Nicaragua or Somalia or Thailand and didn't know our language amd nuances. And someone who was not helped by a loving American husband, but someone who also was not well versed in the language, or someone looking to make $$ off of them.
And that they went in not trusting the US government to do the right thing, but fearful that it was a trap and that they'd show up for help amd be exported.

Yeah, it's easy as citizens to be self righteous about following the law…but in real life, it's much more difficult

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RWW, as I have said… thank you for following the process as hard as it's been. The process we have doesn't surprise me as being bureaucratic, even though I haven't experienced it.

Chem, your comment about being self righteous is so you…. I don't think this board is full of what you described. I think people here see and understand situations like RWW; however, they also see the 150K + illegals crossing our border every month.

For me, we have talked so long about creating universal legislation, in congress, that never goes anywhere. Now, I'm hoping, that it goes nowhere until the border wall is built, whether it stops illegal immigration or not! Show the effort of trying to control it, then immigration process will have my support, and probably from most here that you call self righteous!

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First, I didn't mention you or anyone else by name, and was not responding to your posts.

To me, self-righteous is when a person -- who thru mostly the good fortune of being born into something above abject poverty in the richest country in the world -- says "we need to take care of ourselves first, we dont' need anyone else coming here". Or when a person in those same conditions says -- hey immigrants, you're bad because you are a lawbreaker -- as if any of us who lived in horrible conditions in some remote land would consult the US law before heading this direction (lol, I mean, that really is a laughable belief if you take your blinders off).
Or, you're bad because someone in your group brought drugs, so we don't want any of you. Now, it so happens you've made those comments throughout this topic, but I actually wasn't talking to you, but really just more general

And let me be clear and in self-disclosure -- I recognize this because I've been guilty of it too. I used to think..."why do these poor black people keep falling into crime, why not just do like I did and get educated (I came from a very blue collar house where no one had been to college) and make themselves better instead of selling drugs on the corner".
Then I started doing charitable projects in Boulevard Homes housing project in Charlotte, and realizing all those poor little kids born with no father. Sometimes no mother. Not thru their own actions. World stacked on top of them, schools that you nor I would let our own kids go to ---- so who was I to hold them accountable for turning to something that looked better? I realized how darned fortunate I was, and how I should apply that lens to others before I grouped them as "bad" or whatever.

Accountable to the law, of course, just like immigration. But sorry, if it offends you, but this attitude of "I don't want any new immigrants here because America First" is....self righteous.

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Shame on me for having a debate…

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Now imagine if your wife was from say Nicaragua or Somalia or Thailand and didn't know our language amd nuances. And someone who was not helped by a loving American husband, but someone who also was not well versed in the language, or someone looking to make $$ off of them.
And that they went in not trusting the US government to do the right thing, but fearful that it was a trap and that they'd show up for help amd be exported.

Yeah, it's easy as citizens to be self righteous about following the law…but in real life, it's much more difficult

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RWW, as I have said… thank you for following the process as hard as it's been. The process we have doesn't surprise me as being bureaucratic, even though I haven't experienced it.

Chem, your comment about being self righteous is so you…. I don't think this board is full of what you described. I think people here see and understand situations like RWW; however, they also see the 150K + illegals crossing our border every month.

For me, we have talked so long about creating universal legislation, in congress, that never goes anywhere. Now, I'm hoping, that it goes nowhere until the border wall is built, whether it stops illegal immigration or not! Show the effort of trying to control it, then immigration process will have my support, and probably from most here that you call self righteous!

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First, I didn't mention you or anyone else by name, and was not responding to your posts.

To me, self-righteous is when a person -- who thru mostly the good fortune of being born into something above abject poverty in the richest country in the world -- says "we need to take care of ourselves first, we dont' need anyone else coming here". Or when a person in those same conditions says -- hey immigrants, you're bad because you are a lawbreaker -- as if any of us who lived in horrible conditions in some remote land would consult the US law before heading this direction (lol, I mean, that really is a laughable belief if you take your blinders off).
Or, you're bad because someone in your group brought drugs, so we don't want any of you. Now, it so happens you've made those comments throughout this topic, but I actually wasn't talking to you, but really just more general

And let me be clear and in self-disclosure -- I recognize this because I've been guilty of it too. I used to think..."why do these poor black people keep falling into crime, why not just do like I did and get educated (I came from a very blue collar house where no one had been to college) and make themselves better instead of selling drugs on the corner".
Then I started doing charitable projects in Boulevard Homes housing project in Charlotte, and realizing all those poor little kids born with no father. Sometimes no mother. Not thru their own actions. World stacked on top of them, schools that you nor I would let our own kids go to ---- so who was I to hold them accountable for turning to something that looked better? I realized how darned fortunate I was, and how I should apply that lens to others before I grouped them as "bad" or whatever.

Accountable to the law, of course, just like immigration. But sorry, if it offends you, but this attitude of "I don't want any new immigrants here because America First" is....self righteous.

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Let's be honest here! You're being a little self righteous yourself by telling us about your help and experience in these low income areas and that that makes you more knowledgeable than Cary.

The debate over issues in low income areas and unmoderated countries, and what can be done to change places like these, is a while different debate.

What so many fail to respect when it comes to these debates, is the different perspective people are arguing from. Cary is coming from the perspective of having a family member become a victim of the drugs that are currently flooding across our borders. Chem is arguing from the perspective of having seen the type of lives people live in other countries and why they are fleeing.

Why can't both people be right?

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The answer is not a wide open system and it's not slam the door shut and lock it. That's why I asked the questions and wanted to see people thoughts on the process.

But, stop with the self righteous bull**** when you're being self righteous in the process.

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Good post!

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Now imagine if your wife was from say Nicaragua or Somalia or Thailand and didn't know our language amd nuances. And someone who was not helped by a loving American husband, but someone who also was not well versed in the language, or someone looking to make $$ off of them.
And that they went in not trusting the US government to do the right thing, but fearful that it was a trap and that they'd show up for help amd be exported.

Yeah, it's easy as citizens to be self righteous about following the law…but in real life, it's much more difficult

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RWW, as I have said… thank you for following the process as hard as it's been. The process we have doesn't surprise me as being bureaucratic, even though I haven't experienced it.

Chem, your comment about being self righteous is so you…. I don't think this board is full of what you described. I think people here see and understand situations like RWW; however, they also see the 150K + illegals crossing our border every month.

For me, we have talked so long about creating universal legislation, in congress, that never goes anywhere. Now, I'm hoping, that it goes nowhere until the border wall is built, whether it stops illegal immigration or not! Show the effort of trying to control it, then immigration process will have my support, and probably from most here that you call self righteous!

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First, I didn't mention you or anyone else by name, and was not responding to your posts.

To me, self-righteous is when a person -- who thru mostly the good fortune of being born into something above abject poverty in the richest country in the world -- says "we need to take care of ourselves first, we dont' need anyone else coming here". Or when a person in those same conditions says -- hey immigrants, you're bad because you are a lawbreaker -- as if any of us who lived in horrible conditions in some remote land would consult the US law before heading this direction (lol, I mean, that really is a laughable belief if you take your blinders off).
Or, you're bad because someone in your group brought drugs, so we don't want any of you. Now, it so happens you've made those comments throughout this topic, but I actually wasn't talking to you, but really just more general

And let me be clear and in self-disclosure -- I recognize this because I've been guilty of it too. I used to think..."why do these poor black people keep falling into crime, why not just do like I did and get educated (I came from a very blue collar house where no one had been to college) and make themselves better instead of selling drugs on the corner".
Then I started doing charitable projects in Boulevard Homes housing project in Charlotte, and realizing all those poor little kids born with no father. Sometimes no mother. Not thru their own actions. World stacked on top of them, schools that you nor I would let our own kids go to ---- so who was I to hold them accountable for turning to something that looked better? I realized how darned fortunate I was, and how I should apply that lens to others before I grouped them as "bad" or whatever.

Accountable to the law, of course, just like immigration. But sorry, if it offends you, but this attitude of "I don't want any new immigrants here because America First" is....self righteous.

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Let's be honest here! You're being a little self righteous yourself by telling us about your help and experience in these low income areas and that that makes you more knowledgeable than Cary.

The debate over issues in low income areas and unmoderated countries, and what can be done to change places like these, is a while different debate.

What so many fail to respect when it comes to these debates, is the different perspective people are arguing from. Cary is coming from the perspective of having a family member become a victim of the drugs that are currently flooding across our borders. Chem is arguing from the perspective of having seen the type of lives people live in other countries and why they are fleeing.

Why can't both people be right?

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The answer is not a wide open system and it's not slam the door shut and lock it. That's why I asked the questions and wanted to see people thoughts on the process.

But, stop with the self righteous bull**** when you're being self righteous in the process.

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LOL...its self-righteous to share an experience that helped me move on from being self-righteous? Come on man.

And sorry, but well-to-do Americans who say "we don't want you here b/c we have things to clean up" -- taht is the height of self-righteousness.

caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Now imagine if your wife was from say Nicaragua or Somalia or Thailand and didn't know our language amd nuances. And someone who was not helped by a loving American husband, but someone who also was not well versed in the language, or someone looking to make $$ off of them.
And that they went in not trusting the US government to do the right thing, but fearful that it was a trap and that they'd show up for help amd be exported.

Yeah, it's easy as citizens to be self righteous about following the law…but in real life, it's much more difficult

---

RWW, as I have said… thank you for following the process as hard as it's been. The process we have doesn't surprise me as being bureaucratic, even though I haven't experienced it.

Chem, your comment about being self righteous is so you…. I don't think this board is full of what you described. I think people here see and understand situations like RWW; however, they also see the 150K + illegals crossing our border every month.

For me, we have talked so long about creating universal legislation, in congress, that never goes anywhere. Now, I'm hoping, that it goes nowhere until the border wall is built, whether it stops illegal immigration or not! Show the effort of trying to control it, then immigration process will have my support, and probably from most here that you call self righteous!

---

First, I didn't mention you or anyone else by name, and was not responding to your posts.

To me, self-righteous is when a person -- who thru mostly the good fortune of being born into something above abject poverty in the richest country in the world -- says "we need to take care of ourselves first, we dont' need anyone else coming here". Or when a person in those same conditions says -- hey immigrants, you're bad because you are a lawbreaker -- as if any of us who lived in horrible conditions in some remote land would consult the US law before heading this direction (lol, I mean, that really is a laughable belief if you take your blinders off).
Or, you're bad because someone in your group brought drugs, so we don't want any of you. Now, it so happens you've made those comments throughout this topic, but I actually wasn't talking to you, but really just more general

And let me be clear and in self-disclosure -- I recognize this because I've been guilty of it too. I used to think..."why do these poor black people keep falling into crime, why not just do like I did and get educated (I came from a very blue collar house where no one had been to college) and make themselves better instead of selling drugs on the corner".
Then I started doing charitable projects in Boulevard Homes housing project in Charlotte, and realizing all those poor little kids born with no father. Sometimes no mother. Not thru their own actions. World stacked on top of them, schools that you nor I would let our own kids go to ---- so who was I to hold them accountable for turning to something that looked better? I realized how darned fortunate I was, and how I should apply that lens to others before I grouped them as "bad" or whatever.

Accountable to the law, of course, just like immigration. But sorry, if it offends you, but this attitude of "I don't want any new immigrants here because America First" is....self righteous.

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Shame on me for having a debate…

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Sorry, having a debate doesn't mean you don't say things or have perspectives that are in my view, fundamentally self-serving / self-righteous.
Members of Congress have a debate all the time, and I'd dare say you find fundamental wrongness in some of their perspectives as well.

Good Lord…

Can one have an opinion that we should care about the citizens of one's country first?

PackFansXL said:

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https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/the-fastest-countries-in-the-world-to-become-a-citizen/

Did you see this article describing how long it takes to do this in other countries?

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I've been a crypto skeptic but since El Salvador made it legal tender and now they're offering citizenship more readily these days, I'd consider relocating. Heard their pacific beaches are pretty nice.

hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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2 -ists!!! Such a good lib, "fam".

hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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2 -ists!!! Such a good lib, "fam".

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Lol, whines about labels as he calls Hokie a "lib", which of course is the uniform "-ist" and "-ism" for the far right

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Lol. Whines about angry posts but only attacks other posters. Self righteous fraud.

https://rumble.com/vxw6u7-journalists-arrested-at-southern-border.html

Real America Voice journalists filming illegals arrested today at the border.

Joe speaking truthfully from the heart......

He’s accidentally talking about Hunter Biden and his laptop. https://t.co/snG2fTafaa

— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) March 16, 2022

https://thetruedefender.com/two-bidens-compare-biden-in-2006-vs-now-must-watch/

Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

"I was the one who suggested the bombing of Belgrade. I was who suggested to send American pilots and blow up all the bridges over the Danube"..
Joe Biden, 1999 pic.twitter.com/NrkvmTqN33

— Geo_monitor (@colonelhomsi) March 16, 2022

Joe Biden; a HAWK in 1999. He's not aged a bit........LOL

"pretty sure im conservative"

we aren't as sure...

Why do you think The term nationalist or populist is a negative? I don't think that way. It's just the definition of your positions. That's all. I just don't happen to agree with those stances.

I have told you what we should do, In fact several times. And I love answered your questions several times. Im not sure I can be any more clear.

Again, my position. I'm order to kill ioff the supply of illegal means of entry - I.e. paying coyotes or the cartels to cross illegally, you have to increase the supply of legal means of entry.

So, I'll give you an example of this means. It used to be that Mexican nationals could gain daily work entry into the US to work primarily as farmers. Why not reinstate that?

High Travoltage said:

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"pretty sure im conservative"

we aren't as sure...

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I define conservative as one who conserves the liberal democratic ideals of the Constitution.

hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

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Hokie, we truly have two types of Republicans. 1) America First 2) Globalist

So, I don't know which one you are. I don't doubt you are a Republican; however, in todays world, that really doesn't mean anything.

BTW, I'm using Republican instead of Conservative on purpose...

hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Hokie, if I am a Populist Nationalist; then, call me guilty. BTW, I don't consider it an insult; rather a badge of honor, whatever it means...

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

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Hokie, we truly have two types of Republicans. 1) America First 2) Globalist

So, I don't know which one you are. I don't doubt you are a Republican; however, in todays world, that really doesn't mean anything.

BTW, I'm using Republican instead of Conservative on purpose...

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I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda but I do believe in neoliberalism of spreading democracy that countries need to fit into the global economy if they are to achieve success: deregulation, privatization and cutting taxes.

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Now imagine if your wife was from say Nicaragua or Somalia or Thailand and didn't know our language amd nuances. And someone who was not helped by a loving American husband, but someone who also was not well versed in the language, or someone looking to make $$ off of them.
And that they went in not trusting the US government to do the right thing, but fearful that it was a trap and that they'd show up for help amd be exported.

Yeah, it's easy as citizens to be self righteous about following the law…but in real life, it's much more difficult

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RWW, as I have said… thank you for following the process as hard as it's been. The process we have doesn't surprise me as being bureaucratic, even though I haven't experienced it.

Chem, your comment about being self righteous is so you…. I don't think this board is full of what you described. I think people here see and understand situations like RWW; however, they also see the 150K + illegals crossing our border every month.

For me, we have talked so long about creating universal legislation, in congress, that never goes anywhere. Now, I'm hoping, that it goes nowhere until the border wall is built, whether it stops illegal immigration or not! Show the effort of trying to control it, then immigration process will have my support, and probably from most here that you call self righteous!

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First, I didn't mention you or anyone else by name, and was not responding to your posts.

To me, self-righteous is when a person -- who thru mostly the good fortune of being born into something above abject poverty in the richest country in the world -- says "we need to take care of ourselves first, we dont' need anyone else coming here". Or when a person in those same conditions says -- hey immigrants, you're bad because you are a lawbreaker -- as if any of us who lived in horrible conditions in some remote land would consult the US law before heading this direction (lol, I mean, that really is a laughable belief if you take your blinders off).
Or, you're bad because someone in your group brought drugs, so we don't want any of you. Now, it so happens you've made those comments throughout this topic, but I actually wasn't talking to you, but really just more general

And let me be clear and in self-disclosure -- I recognize this because I've been guilty of it too. I used to think..."why do these poor black people keep falling into crime, why not just do like I did and get educated (I came from a very blue collar house where no one had been to college) and make themselves better instead of selling drugs on the corner".
Then I started doing charitable projects in Boulevard Homes housing project in Charlotte, and realizing all those poor little kids born with no father. Sometimes no mother. Not thru their own actions. World stacked on top of them, schools that you nor I would let our own kids go to ---- so who was I to hold them accountable for turning to something that looked better? I realized how darned fortunate I was, and how I should apply that lens to others before I grouped them as "bad" or whatever.

Accountable to the law, of course, just like immigration. But sorry, if it offends you, but this attitude of "I don't want any new immigrants here because America First" is....self righteous.

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Let's be honest here! You're being a little self righteous yourself by telling us about your help and experience in these low income areas and that that makes you more knowledgeable than Cary.

The debate over issues in low income areas and unmoderated countries, and what can be done to change places like these, is a while different debate.

What so many fail to respect when it comes to these debates, is the different perspective people are arguing from. Cary is coming from the perspective of having a family member become a victim of the drugs that are currently flooding across our borders. Chem is arguing from the perspective of having seen the type of lives people live in other countries and why they are fleeing.

Why can't both people be right?

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The answer is not a wide open system and it's not slam the door shut and lock it. That's why I asked the questions and wanted to see people thoughts on the process.

But, stop with the self righteous bull**** when you're being self righteous in the process.

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LOL...its self-righteous to share an experience that helped me move on from being self-righteous? Come on man.

And sorry, but well-to-do Americans who say "we don't want you here b/c we have things to clean up" -- taht is the height of self-righteousness.

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self righteous

having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.

You both bit off a piece of this one, lol

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I like Chem - well, at least I try to like him (and I think i'd get along fine with him in person) - but damn, if he doesn't always take the contrarian position on anything and everything he participates in on these message boards.

But you called it perfectly here, Steve...

Werewolf said:

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https://rumble.com/vxw6u7-journalists-arrested-at-southern-border.html

Real America Voice journalists filming illegals arrested today at the border.

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LOL. You know damn good and well, that this is exactly the way that this administration is handling this.

They control the MSM media, and they want to squash anything that doesn't fit their pre-programmed propaganda...

They are more concerned with projecting an image than they are protecting this country.

High Travoltage said:

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"pretty sure im conservative"

we aren't as sure...

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No. All you have to do is just read his posts...

He is nothing close to being a conservative.

But at least (in his mind anyway), he's "not a democrat"!

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

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Hokie, we truly have two types of Republicans. 1) America First 2) Globalist

So, I don't know which one you are. I don't doubt you are a Republican; however, in todays world, that really doesn't mean anything.

BTW, I'm using Republican instead of Conservative on purpose...

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I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda but I do believe in neoliberalism of spreading democracy that countries need to fit into the global economy if they are to achieve success: deregulation, privatization and cutting taxes.

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In general, I would call that a neocon. That's fine, its your world view. For me, I was there at one point, in my life. I felt as if the US should help country's see the (classic) liberal founding of this country.

That said, I don't know if I care anymore.

I've said this before, back in the early 2000's and throughout the decade, I became very disillusioned by so many of my conservative friends. They were pushing the idea of bailing out Wall Street when we had the financial crises. The argument was: we can't let the economy blow up. Now, I'm not sure what would have happened, perhaps they were correct. That said, who did we really help?

Our country has so many areas where a small group of people are deciding what goes on in this country. Yes. we have a Representative Republic and I don't want to change it, because I believe it's the best form of government the worlds ever seen. The problem is always with people. They become bought and paid for!

Just look at our current President. I believe we have so much evidence of him being bought and paid for that I can't trust anything he says, whether I agree with him or not.

The laptop from hell has been stated as: you go there for the porn and you stay there for the compromise. With all that, we had so many people covering up the laptop during 2020. So much so as they called the people... Conspiracy Theorist!!! A ton of the former and current intelligence people said it was Russian mis-information. Anybody with half a brain knew what it was. BTW, these same people have some sort of intelligence clearance. WE SHOULD STRIP THEM OF THEIR CLEARANCE IMMEDIATELY!!! They are liars!

Just this week, The New York Times confirmed the validity of the laptop. More importantly, the Justice Department had the laptop in 2019. Bill Barr is out there now saying cover-up crap by the media. He had the damn laptop! He could have confirmed what it was and told the reality of what was on there. He didn't... Why? Probably because he wants to stay in the circles of Washington and Board opportunities, etc...

In summary, yes, I may be considered a protectionist, nativist, isolationist, nationalist, and whatever other label one may apply to me. That said, we have 30T in debt, 7 or 8T on the federal reserve balance sheet and we can no longer be the worlds ambassador of what we think is good. It's time for others to step up and we concentrate on our vital national security issues... If one wants to do something (I'm talking to you Lindsey Graham), then they should tell us clearly what they this is in this country's vital national security.

At this point, I'm concerned for the country my daughters have to live in, well after my days...

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

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Hokie, we truly have two types of Republicans. 1) America First 2) Globalist

So, I don't know which one you are. I don't doubt you are a Republican; however, in todays world, that really doesn't mean anything.

BTW, I'm using Republican instead of Conservative on purpose...

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I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda but I do believe in neoliberalism of spreading democracy that countries need to fit into the global economy if they are to achieve success: deregulation, privatization and cutting taxes.

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In general, I would call that a neocon. That's fine, its your world view. For me, I was there at one point, in my life. I felt as if the US should help country's see the (classic) liberal founding of this country.

That said, I don't know if I care anymore.

I've said this before, back in the early 2000's and throughout the decade, I became very disillusioned by so many of my conservative friends. They were pushing the idea of bailing out Wall Street when we had the financial crises. The argument was: we can't let the economy blow up. Now, I'm not sure what would have happened, perhaps they were correct. That said, who did we really help?

Our country has so many areas where a small group of people are deciding what goes on in this country. Yes. we have a Representative Republic and I don't want to change it, because I believe it's the best form of government the worlds ever seen. The problem is always with people. They become bought and paid for!

Just look at our current President. I believe we have so much evidence of him being bought and paid for that I can't trust anything he says, whether I agree with him or not.

The laptop from hell has been stated as: you go there for the porn and you stay there for the compromise. With all that, we had so many people covering up the laptop during 2020. So much so as they called the people... Conspiracy Theorist!!! A ton of the former and current intelligence people said it was Russian mis-information. Anybody with half a brain knew what it was. BTW, these same people have some sort of intelligence clearance. WE SHOULD STRIP THEM OF THEIR CLEARANCE IMMEDIATELY!!! They are liars!

Just this week, The New York Times confirmed the validity of the laptop. More importantly, the Justice Department had the laptop in 2019. Bill Barr is out there now saying cover-up crap by the media. He had the damn laptop! He could have confirmed what it was and told the reality of what was on there. He didn't... Why? Probably because he wants to stay in the circles of Washington and Board opportunities, etc...

In summary, yes, I may be considered a protectionist, nativist, isolationist, nationalist, and whatever other label one may apply to me. That said, we have 30T in debt, 7 or 8T on the federal reserve balance sheet and we can no longer be the worlds ambassador of what we think is good. It's time for others to step up and we concentrate on our vital national security issues... If one wants to do something (I'm talking to you Lindsey Graham), then they should tell us clearly what they this is in this country's vital national security.

At this point, I'm concerned for the country my daughters have to live in, well after my days...

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Great post and fair enough. I just feel a bit different in that I still believe the best security interest of the US is to promote and support democracies throughout the world.

That should always be the starting point for any sort of support or intervention by the US. I do agree with you that there shouldn't be a liberal use of the military and should be used as a last resort

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Nah fam. It's because you believe in populist nationalist beliefs. There's no reason to be upset about it, it's the actual definition of what you guys believe! Not sure how that's an insult.

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Does that make you a globalist?

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pretty sure I'm a conservative, but packgrad thinks I'm a liberal.

Again, I don't understand why you would be insulted in me calling your beliefs the literal defining words of those beliefs. Just own it.

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Hokie, we truly have two types of Republicans. 1) America First 2) Globalist

So, I don't know which one you are. I don't doubt you are a Republican; however, in todays world, that really doesn't mean anything.

BTW, I'm using Republican instead of Conservative on purpose...

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I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda but I do believe in neoliberalism of spreading democracy that countries need to fit into the global economy if they are to achieve success: deregulation, privatization and cutting taxes.

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In general, I would call that a neocon. That's fine, its your world view. For me, I was there at one point, in my life. I felt as if the US should help country's see the (classic) liberal founding of this country.

That said, I don't know if I care anymore.

I've said this before, back in the early 2000's and throughout the decade, I became very disillusioned by so many of my conservative friends. They were pushing the idea of bailing out Wall Street when we had the financial crises. The argument was: we can't let the economy blow up. Now, I'm not sure what would have happened, perhaps they were correct. That said, who did we really help?

Our country has so many areas where a small group of people are deciding what goes on in this country. Yes. we have a Representative Republic and I don't want to change it, because I believe it's the best form of government the worlds ever seen. The problem is always with people. They become bought and paid for!

Just look at our current President. I believe we have so much evidence of him being bought and paid for that I can't trust anything he says, whether I agree with him or not.

The laptop from hell has been stated as: you go there for the porn and you stay there for the compromise. With all that, we had so many people covering up the laptop during 2020. So much so as they called the people... Conspiracy Theorist!!! A ton of the former and current intelligence people said it was Russian mis-information. Anybody with half a brain knew what it was. BTW, these same people have some sort of intelligence clearance. WE SHOULD STRIP THEM OF THEIR CLEARANCE IMMEDIATELY!!! They are liars!

Just this week, The New York Times confirmed the validity of the laptop. More importantly, the Justice Department had the laptop in 2019. Bill Barr is out there now saying cover-up crap by the media. He had the damn laptop! He could have confirmed what it was and told the reality of what was on there. He didn't... Why? Probably because he wants to stay in the circles of Washington and Board opportunities, etc...

In summary, yes, I may be considered a protectionist, nativist, isolationist, nationalist, and whatever other label one may apply to me. That said, we have 30T in debt, 7 or 8T on the federal reserve balance sheet and we can no longer be the worlds ambassador of what we think is good. It's time for others to step up and we concentrate on our vital national security issues... If one wants to do something (I'm talking to you Lindsey Graham), then they should tell us clearly what they this is in this country's vital national security.

At this point, I'm concerned for the country my daughters have to live in, well after my days...

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Great post and fair enough. I just feel a bit different in that I still believe the best security interest of the US is to promote and support democracies throughout the world.

That should always be the starting point for any sort of support or intervention by the US. I do agree with you that there shouldn't be a liberal use of the military and should be used as a last resort

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Thank You Hokie!

As far as standing with country's that want to be more democratic, then yea, I get it; however, I heard a person once say:

Strategy is for Amateurs
Logistics are for Professionals

Strategy:

Standing/Supporting country's that want to be democracy's

Logistics:

How and when do we stand/support


The devil is always in the details...