And I think they will. Sounds like Macron thinks so as well.cowboypack02 said:Packchem91 said:Yours is a good point.....I think we underestimate how a nation / people fighting for survival will make it very tough for the nation on their soil.cowboypack02 said:I don't know why.Packchem91 said:I think an element of that is, we've watched so many war movies/video games we expect all this super high-tech stuff to just work great. But in real life, real issues happen, and not skills you get to actually use that often. And machinery that probably gets short-cut because the $$ have to go elsewhere. And certainly soldiers who are probalby underpaid, not motivated, etc (its not like they are taking on someone who attacked their homeland here)Civilized said:packgrad said:
I think a couple fighter jets could have created pause and perhaps reevaluation in a Russian invasion real quick. Still could.... 40 mile convoy is still out there right? I really don't know the answer to that question. They were yesterday with their continuous breakdowns and gas shortages. Sounds like a well oiled machine that Russian army.
Edit to add.... not that I want the US creating pause.
Yeah these stories about Russian machinery breaking down, bogging down, and running out of gas have been shocking, frankly. Their military is obviously huge and nuclear-enabled but their Ukraine ops have seemed like amateur hour, so far.
Bottom line though, you are right -- our expectation would have been Russia would roll over Ukraine, and they don't look close to doing so.
Look at how things have gone for us in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would say that we have the best military in the world and we had the people on our side partially and look how long it took us. Why would anyone thing that the Russians would just roll in and take care of the Ukranians?
But were we looking to roll over and just beat Afghan, or more to eradicate certain groups who could just move around and never be found?
Frankly, I also don't expect the Russians to try to avoid civilian casualties like the US Armed Forces are typically inclined to do.....and that makes a huge difference
You say that but as of Wednesday only around 2000 Ukrainians(both military and civilians) have been killed according to the Ukranian government. If the Russians were killing at will I would if expected those numbers to be significantly higher
That said, lets hope the Ukranians hold them off. I'm not sure how...but can hope