This country also has a ton of people that really like AOC. That really like Pelosi. That really like Cuomo. What does everyone thing of those people?caryking said:
You know, this country has a **** ton of people that really like Trump. What does everyone think of those people?
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I know what I think of those people. The question I asked was about the people that really like Trump. Chem, tell me what you think of the people that really like Trump…Packchem91 said:This country also has a ton of people that really like AOC. That really like Pelosi. That really like Cuomo. What does everyone thing of those people?caryking said:
You know, this country has a **** ton of people that really like Trump. What does everyone think of those people?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
In the next 1-5 years, American citizens will learn one or two things.
1, Our federal government has been captured by the NWO/CCP
2. How to become a transhuman drone for the NWO/CCP, if you survive the jabs
It's time for some of you guys to figure this thing out. We are perilously close to being so far down the s$ithole we cannot get out. You're gonna wanna kiss Trump's feet in the end. And don't give me the bull that I worship the guy or whatever, I was a Cruz guy and was concerned about some of Trump antics. But Trump will be on Mt Rushmore at the end of the day in spite of many.
Joe Biden was a:
Manchurian candidate
noun [url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/help/codes.html][ C ][/url]
POLITICS specialized (also Manchurian Candidate)
a person who is not loyal to, or who harms, their own country or political party because they are under the control or influence of another country or party
Think about it........not a word last night in the SOTU address about the dangers of the CCP or the Wuhan Virus. Not a word about our military.....
What we witness is the controlled demolition of the USA.....................acting as an incompetent. He's controlled by others.
1, Our federal government has been captured by the NWO/CCP
2. How to become a transhuman drone for the NWO/CCP, if you survive the jabs
It's time for some of you guys to figure this thing out. We are perilously close to being so far down the s$ithole we cannot get out. You're gonna wanna kiss Trump's feet in the end. And don't give me the bull that I worship the guy or whatever, I was a Cruz guy and was concerned about some of Trump antics. But Trump will be on Mt Rushmore at the end of the day in spite of many.
Joe Biden was a:
Manchurian candidate
noun [url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/help/codes.html][ C ][/url]
POLITICS specialized (also Manchurian Candidate)
a person who is not loyal to, or who harms, their own country or political party because they are under the control or influence of another country or party
Think about it........not a word last night in the SOTU address about the dangers of the CCP or the Wuhan Virus. Not a word about our military.....
What we witness is the controlled demolition of the USA.....................acting as an incompetent. He's controlled by others.
#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
LOL, borrowing the beloved media's "gotcha" approach.caryking said:I know what I think of those people. The question I asked was about the people that really like Trump. Chem, tell me what you think of the people that really like Trump…Packchem91 said:This country also has a ton of people that really like AOC. That really like Pelosi. That really like Cuomo. What does everyone thing of those people?caryking said:
You know, this country has a **** ton of people that really like Trump. What does everyone think of those people?
Well, I don't think all of the people that like him are the kind of people who would go to a "perfectly peaceful" rally in a crowded place with bear spray. So at least I can acknowledge that.
What do you mean by like? As in personally, you like his style and his personality? If so, then I'd probably not pal around with folks like that.
As in, you like some of his policies...so you "like" him? I don't know....thats pretty normal --- in politics we often have to take the bad with the good. I mean, I voted for him, does that mean I "like" him?
My opinion only....though I'm sure he has a few people who really like him, I'd venture to guess people who've been around him don't like him, but tolerate him because he tries to crush those who go against him.....which takes me back to...so why would you like him?
LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
The media absolutely plays favorites and has no compunction about it at all. Take the CBS article below for instance. The headline is that Biden's speech was well-received, but in the final print we find out that the headline is a joke because is such a skewed poll.
The fact is that Trump was enough of an ******* to go after the media just as much as they went after him but he's the bad guy for it.
We got reporters winning awards for their reporting on the piss tape hoax, but we find out that was a lie and not a peep...
We get some reporter actually fight someone in the administration for a microphone during a press conference and no one cares.
The media absolutely fawns over Biden or any Democrat, but Republicans are treated as lepers for the most part and it's a joke...
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1498966344292777984?t=t25TmEafooOFK2wq0T_JQA&s=19
The fact is that Trump was enough of an ******* to go after the media just as much as they went after him but he's the bad guy for it.
We got reporters winning awards for their reporting on the piss tape hoax, but we find out that was a lie and not a peep...
We get some reporter actually fight someone in the administration for a microphone during a press conference and no one cares.
The media absolutely fawns over Biden or any Democrat, but Republicans are treated as lepers for the most part and it's a joke...
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1498966344292777984?t=t25TmEafooOFK2wq0T_JQA&s=19
Chem, I fully understand you and I have differences in views. I would also ask you to consider that the people, on the right, in this forum/thread and you, are at odds. I really think most are trying to engage you; however, you appear to be combative with them.
I am absolutely sure everyone understands your position on Trump. You have made it crystal clear. Steve V. was really trying to understand and engage you in good faith… give him a chance.
I am absolutely sure everyone understands your position on Trump. You have made it crystal clear. Steve V. was really trying to understand and engage you in good faith… give him a chance.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
They will do anything to keep Trump from running in 2024 because they know he isn't beatable. They played their hand in 2016 thinking people would stop trying to get to the bottom of the election. Well, people are not letting it go… now they need to keep him from running again.cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
This is all part of their master plan! BTW, establishment Republicans are quietly allowing it to happen.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
i answered his questions, all of them**. I answered your questions, even though it was impossible to really answer. Which part of any of my responses are you suggesting are combative? Which answers do you suggest were not in good faith?caryking said:
Chem, I fully understand you and I have differences in views. I would also ask you to consider that the people, on the right, in this forum/thread and you, are at odds. I really think most are trying to engage you; however, you appear to be combative with them.
I am absolutely sure everyone understands your position on Trump. You have made it crystal clear. Steve V. was really trying to understand and engage you in good faith… give him a chance.
In turn, I ask you the same question, and you play the "well I asked you first" card. So, don't lecture about good faith.
**Actually, I didn't address his comments about Jan 6. I have no energy to have yet another conspiracy debate on here.
caryking said:They will do anything to keep Trump from running in 2024 because they know he isn't beatable. They played their hand in 2016 thinking people would stop trying to get to the bottom of the election. Well, people are not letting it go… now they need to keep him from running again.cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
This is all part of their master plan! BTW, establishment Republicans are quietly allowing it to happen.
I think the opposite about Trump in 2024.
Pubs walk the dog on whoever the Dems roll out if they nominate DeSantis or Haley or any half-competent non-Trump candidate.
Trump introduces the real prospect of losing.
I agree here. Even though Trump wasn't a bad president he is hugely unlikeable and won't win any electionsCivilized said:caryking said:They will do anything to keep Trump from running in 2024 because they know he isn't beatable. They played their hand in 2016 thinking people would stop trying to get to the bottom of the election. Well, people are not letting it go… now they need to keep him from running again.cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
This is all part of their master plan! BTW, establishment Republicans are quietly allowing it to happen.
I think the opposite about Trump in 2024.
Pubs walk the dog on whoever the Dems roll out if they nominate DeSantis or Haley or any half-competent non-Trump candidate.
Trump introduces the real prospect of losing.
EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
Yep.....he'd mobilize the "Im voting against" crowd. Just like HRC would if the Dems are crazy enough to roll her out there again.Civilized said:caryking said:They will do anything to keep Trump from running in 2024 because they know he isn't beatable. They played their hand in 2016 thinking people would stop trying to get to the bottom of the election. Well, people are not letting it go… now they need to keep him from running again.cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
This is all part of their master plan! BTW, establishment Republicans are quietly allowing it to happen.
I think the opposite about Trump in 2024.
Pubs walk the dog on whoever the Dems roll out if they nominate DeSantis or Haley or any half-competent non-Trump candidate.
Trump introduces the real prospect of losing.
cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
Congress didn't "file charges." They filed a brief in response to the Plaintiff (Trump's attorney Eastman's) claims that his emails with Trump et. al. about trying to get Pence to overturn our election should be protected by client privilege.
And anyway, why would anyone be more concerned about procedural elements of the commission than our then-sitting President trying to "illegally obstruct Congress' counting of electoral votes and engag[ing] in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States?"
Quote:
[Trump crony] Eastman, however, didn't relent even after a violent mob egged on by Trump stormed the Capitol and sent Pence and Congress fleeing for safety. Eastman continued to press Pence to overturn the election.
"Thanks to your bull****, we are now under siege," Pence counsel Greg Jacob emailed Eastman, along with a lengthy refutation of his argument.
"The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened," Eastman replied, according to emails obtained by the panel.
Even after this exchange, Eastman made one final plea to convince Pence to stop the counting of electoral votes, acknowledging it would amount to a "relatively minor" violation of the federal law known as the Electoral Count Act.
Interesting take. After having a bit of time to think about it I actually have different thoughts about this entire thing.caryking said:They will do anything to keep Trump from running in 2024 because they know he isn't beatable. They played their hand in 2016 thinking people would stop trying to get to the bottom of the election. Well, people are not letting it go… now they need to keep him from running again.cowboypack02 said:
I'm sure this is going to come up here so I'll go ahead and put it out there.
From the way this reads congress actually filed charges. If that happened this is illegal as hell because congress doesn't have the legal authority to have judicial committee hearings, only hearings and meeting for legislative purposes.
https://news.yahoo.com/select-committee-concludes-trump-violated-015856306.html
This is all part of their master plan! BTW, establishment Republicans are quietly allowing it to happen.
The democrats won the house and put together a hand selected committee of democrats to investigate and charge the last president with a crime. They've also filed in a California court because both the court systems there and the appeals court run very liberal and the only way that anything gets dismissed is if it makes it all the way to the supreme court in a few years. Mind you that congress having a judicial committee and filing criminal charges is against the constitution because of separation of powers. This means that both congress and at least one court system is completely ignoring our constitution to settle a political score. Lets talk about the implications of this for a minute.
Make no mistake that the republicans are going to take the house in the fall. Its almost statistically impossible for them not to if we look at historical trends (without cheating of course). Since the democrats have set this precedent this could get ugly.
- Chuck Schumer can have charges filed against him by the house for leading the protest against Kavanaugh in which people were beating on the doors of the supreme court. He also was cheered on by protesters as he told them that there should be hell to pay for nominating someone he didn't like. Sounds a hell of a lot like sedition to me...
- Kamala Harris paid the bail funds for people who actually set a federal court house on fire. Sounds like sedition to me....
- AOC led a group of protestors in taking over Nancy Pelosi's office in 2018 before she was elected to the house. Sounds like she is unseating democracy to me.....
- Nancy Pelosi and Hilary Clinton both said that Trump cheated and didn't fairly win the election. Sounds like they tried to defraud the United States to me
- Maxine Waters told protestors to get in the faces of anyone in the Trump administrator. Sounds like she was encouraging people to assault government officials...
- All of the people who led the riots in DC during Trump's inauguration and during 2020 should be arrested and treated just like the folks during Biden's inauguration. Sounds like they are trying to overthrow the government to me...
- Don't forget about all of the representatives that challenged Trump's electoral college votes when they were being counted in 2016. I've been told that doing that is sedition now.
All of the things above the democrats in the house have said are illegal. The exact terms are "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States".
We are to the point as a society where democrats are now filing charges and trying to put their political opponents in jail. What do you guys think is going to happen when a republican decides to do this? At this point what's to stop the NC General Assembly from saying that the 4 NC Supreme Court justices who voted against allowing the republicans to use their own maps broke the law and has charges files against this.
We are going to get someone in a position of power at some point in the near future from just ignoring a court ruling and do what they want? They're argument is going to be that the court system has been completely politicized and should be ignored. That has happened before. Andrew Jackson said after a ruling "Marshall (the Supreme Court) has made a ruling, now lets see them enforce it.
All of this lead to a civil war and I fear that this is the true first step towards that....
Are we impeaching Trump again? Neat
Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
if at first you don't succeed try and try again....hokiewolf said:
Are we impeaching Trump again? Neat
Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
Lots of good conversation going on here, but I just wanted to interrupt to say that I think Nikki Haley has zero chance of getting elected. Her political capital is spent.
The media is already saying DeSantis yelled at children yesterday for wearing masks. They will treat any Republican the same. Trump was nothing but a drop of gasoline in an already raging inferno.
And perhaps is naive.....but unlike your sports analogy, we're not playing against another team of Americans -- we're all Americans. May Republicans, including myself, argued that Obama often pitted one group against another, race and socioeconomic standing. IMO, Trump just took that up about 50 notches.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
IF the GOP brought him back, it would instantly turn off 50% of Americans --- there is absolutely NO middle ground with people on him.
As for the media and DeSantis or anyone else....I get it....the media too has taken off any pretense of impartiality and has become cheerleaders. But I hope we get a candidate who can use that effectively, not spit in their face. Or not get into such a "I'll get you" mode that they miss more important messaging.
All of you, that dislike Trump, can watch this country go to hell with people that sound Presidential. The lure of Trump is that he said "F" you to everyone. That's exactly what everyone needed. Why do you think the media is so distrusted now? Trump called them out, and now, one by one, the "Big Lies" that they told, are crumbling.
Hey, I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries because of the same antics people complain about. Now, I realize that it takes a special person to deal with the mess we have, in this country. The most important mess we need to clean up is the Republican Party!
Politicians, media, and damn near every other sector (we can call them oligarchs) is on the take financially. Nothing honest is coming out of anyone. Desantes may be strong enough to take on these Oligarchs; however, we know Trump is. For now, he has my support. BTW, he can only run for one more term.
We need fighters, fighters, fighters! The day of diplomacy is gone! We need to take back this country, then we can talk diplomacy!
Hey, I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries because of the same antics people complain about. Now, I realize that it takes a special person to deal with the mess we have, in this country. The most important mess we need to clean up is the Republican Party!
Politicians, media, and damn near every other sector (we can call them oligarchs) is on the take financially. Nothing honest is coming out of anyone. Desantes may be strong enough to take on these Oligarchs; however, we know Trump is. For now, he has my support. BTW, he can only run for one more term.
We need fighters, fighters, fighters! The day of diplomacy is gone! We need to take back this country, then we can talk diplomacy!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
Chem, the interesting thing I find with your comments are that by all accounts, Trump is the most gracious, engaging, thoughtful, thankful, person anyone will spend time with. Also, we know he likes sports!Packchem91 said:
The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with. I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
Perhaps, you should consider you have have a clouded story built up in your mind! Not only do you have disdain for him in his political antics, you don't see him as a person you can watch a game with…
BTW, at one point Trump was a darling with the media, talk shows, etc…. He hasn't changed, they have!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
Packchem91 said:And perhaps is naive.....but unlike your sports analogy, we're not playing against another team of Americans -- we're all Americans. May Republicans, including myself, argued that Obama often pitted one group against another, race and socioeconomic standing. IMO, Trump just took that up about 50 notches.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
IF the GOP brought him back, it would instantly turn off 50% of Americans --- there is absolutely NO middle ground with people on him.
As for the media and DeSantis or anyone else....I get it....the media too has taken off any pretense of impartiality and has become cheerleaders. But I hope we get a candidate who can use that effectively, not spit in their face. Or not get into such a "I'll get you" mode that they miss more important messaging.
Trump was not divisive, he was polarizing, but not divisive. The media twisted everything he said and made it divisive. The democrats have claimed that everything a republican did is racists and the media echos that and 99% of it was made up. That is divisive.
Where we differ is in politician talk. I don't like what I heard from Biden's SOTU. It was mostly lies and campaigning. But, it gave you the warm and fuzzies. That's your prerogative.
Yep, do you want a person to tell you want you want to hear? I don't! Get crap done! Thank you Trump!Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:And perhaps is naive.....but unlike your sports analogy, we're not playing against another team of Americans -- we're all Americans. May Republicans, including myself, argued that Obama often pitted one group against another, race and socioeconomic standing. IMO, Trump just took that up about 50 notches.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
IF the GOP brought him back, it would instantly turn off 50% of Americans --- there is absolutely NO middle ground with people on him.
As for the media and DeSantis or anyone else....I get it....the media too has taken off any pretense of impartiality and has become cheerleaders. But I hope we get a candidate who can use that effectively, not spit in their face. Or not get into such a "I'll get you" mode that they miss more important messaging.
Trump was not divisive, he was polarizing, but not divisive. The media twisted everything he said and made it divisive. The democrats have claimed that everything a republican did is racists and the media echos that and 99% of it was made up. That is divisive.
Where we differ is in politician talk. I don't like what I heard from Biden's SOTU. It was mostly lies and campaigning. But, it gave you the warm and fuzzies. That's your prerogative.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”
Joe Biden
My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?
He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.
He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.
I can remember the liberal press just fawning all over Trump during the 2016 Republican primaries still... and that's because they saw him as an "easy mark" for Hillary at the time.
Everything the liberal MSM press does has a purpose behind it. But Chem thinks we can go back to the good old days for whatever reason...
Everything the liberal MSM press does has a purpose behind it. But Chem thinks we can go back to the good old days for whatever reason...
TheStorm said:
My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?
He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.
That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.
I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.
LOL, you complain about the media twisting words, and yet you do the same. I didn't say Biden's SOTU gave me that - in fact, I said he seemed to steal credit for a lot of what was likely the result of Trump's work.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:And perhaps is naive.....but unlike your sports analogy, we're not playing against another team of Americans -- we're all Americans. May Republicans, including myself, argued that Obama often pitted one group against another, race and socioeconomic standing. IMO, Trump just took that up about 50 notches.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
IF the GOP brought him back, it would instantly turn off 50% of Americans --- there is absolutely NO middle ground with people on him.
As for the media and DeSantis or anyone else....I get it....the media too has taken off any pretense of impartiality and has become cheerleaders. But I hope we get a candidate who can use that effectively, not spit in their face. Or not get into such a "I'll get you" mode that they miss more important messaging.
Trump was not divisive, he was polarizing, but not divisive. The media twisted everything he said and made it divisive. The democrats have claimed that everything a republican did is racists and the media echos that and 99% of it was made up. That is divisive.
Where we differ is in politician talk. I don't like what I heard from Biden's SOTU. It was mostly lies and campaigning. But, it gave you the warm and fuzzies. That's your prerogative.
We can agree to disagree on Trump being divisive. Whether he intended to be, or just used words that were easily manipulated (like when he talked about Africa, or about Hispanics or about the good people in Cville, or the good people here and there, etc), I guess that is up for debate
Packchem91 said:LOL, you complain about the media twisting words, and yet you do the same. I didn't say Biden's SOTU gave me that - in fact, I said he seemed to steal credit for a lot of what was likely the result of Trump's work.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:And perhaps is naive.....but unlike your sports analogy, we're not playing against another team of Americans -- we're all Americans. May Republicans, including myself, argued that Obama often pitted one group against another, race and socioeconomic standing. IMO, Trump just took that up about 50 notches.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:EXACTLY...I expect my president to be smart and controlled enough to answer a question about a volatile situation with some dignity and forethought and not get into stupid comments that are disliked by pretty much everyone not on the far right. I can't believe this is even a debate. If you're gonna be like him in that situation...well, thank you, I'll look for other candidates who aren't reactionary and have to get into debates with a reporter when a much more important message is right there.Steve Videtich said:Packchem91 said:LOL...just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are have to rely on CNN (or MSNBC)...some of us can watch the same speech as you and think of it completely differently all on our own.Steve Videtich said:
Okay, this may get lengthy, and I apologize. And, thank you for answering my questions. I ask them so that I can understand where you're coming from.
First, I agree that Trump can be an *******. I think most supporters would agree with that. To me it seems your frustration stems from him not dialing it back a bit so he could get reelected. Yes/ no?
In your explanations of each one, you mostly described their character. One you want nothing to do with and the other you wanted to have a beer with. But, in the end, you decided to vote for the one that had better policy. For that I applaud you. I know many people who hated the man but liked his policy and voted the other way.
But, I guess my issue revolves around the constant bashing and negativity towards Trump supporters on this board. If he was somebody you voted for, why bash? Why aren't you continuing support for those that age with you on his policies?
You also brought up Charlottesville. Why, because of the neo-nazi comment? Again, that's all on the media. Look at the transcript of press conference.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
CNN originally reported correctly. But the powers that be decided to twist it. He didn't say anything like what had been reported.
Same with Jan 6. Don't tell me what he said that day was incitement. I'll argue with anyone that that day was nothing more than a huge setup. Why won't Pelosi turn over her correspondence for that day? Lots of questions about that day, especially when Dems were saying much worse the entire the year before for worse violence.
Look, I agree he needs to tone down the rhetoric. I also believe most of the MAGA support is because of his policies, not because of any stolen election talk. I believe that to be a side deal for most, but it gets all the media focus just like we agreed on the far left hysteria.
To wit...you publish this article as if its some proof Trump's comments were fine. I look at it and think, given the events, and the context, it doesn't make him look good at all -- in fact, I read it and it just screams "the real Donald Trump". I mean, ok, it proves he wasn't celebrating the actions. But, he's the POTUS. We've just had a racially charged murder. We have a country that is, and has been, on the edge in a lot of ways.
So he goes in knowing what he is going to say matters.
Is it that difficult to stand up there and say, this is a tragedy. I don't want to influence the judicial process that is already underway, so I won't comment on the specifics, but clealry we have real issues in this country that we need to heal. I think we are all sick of the fringe hate groups -- who try to enforce their will, to the point of violence on others. We think of hate groups, and we tend to think of people from outside this country...but we have violent hate groups right here. And I am not going to tolerate it, regardless of ideology. I'm going to take steps to empower my AG to go after these groups and the people who provide them resources with all the energy the US Government can bring to bear.
At same time, I'm asking my VP to put together a panel - made up of people from both sides of the aisle and outside of DC, like John Lewis, Reverand yyy, etc. to do something. We need to listen to each other, and if we can't lead by example, than why would we expect the US citizens to do any better (I know these things are generally worthless....but you're trying to bring healing and unity, and that sometimes just showing you are willing to engage people you may not agree with at all to discuss can be powerful)
Instead, we get a glorified p'ing contest between a "gotcha" reporter and a POTUS who has a need to show he's the smartest guy in the room. I think he completely lost any reasonable ability to gain a % of black voters that day.
So, you want your president to stand up there and fill you with all the BS he can muster, whether it's true or not? You mentioned the "gotcha reporter" that he was battling with. Well there in lies part of the problem.
I could be wrong, but I believe Trump was there to cover this event and discuss another topic as well. But, the reporter decided to create a soundbite from someone that is an easy target to provoke. Yes, he should be professional, but it didn't airways work that way. I can tell you right now, if I was in Trumps shoes and dealt with the crap he did for years, I would've told a couple people to go **** themselves. But very presidential. But, if you provide the bait, don't get mad that the fish took it!
You mentioned all these presidents you would have a beer with, but would stay away from Trump. Everyone of them could have character flaws, but for some reason you and so many others hold Trump to a standard that no others are held to. Why is that? Why don't you hold all politicians to the same standards? Why is it that Trump bothers you so bad?
If you want your president to stand in front of you and lie and blow smoke up your ass, you've got your man in office right now. Look at what he said last night. FUND the police! SECURE the border! BUY AMERICAN! The EXACT opposite of everything thing he and his party have said for the last 2 years. The exact same thing he's done for the last 40 years as a politician!
Did it make you feel warm and fuzzy listening to his campaign speech for the coming midterms? Did you believe every word he said... because you know, he's very presidential? Do you feel better about our country because we have a president that you want to have a beer with?
If you're looking for a perfect candidate for president, let me know when they put a unicorn on the ballot. And we can power our country with its rainbow farts!
You can call it blowing smoke all you want -- sometimes you have to reach out to others and try to do something different. If the only accomplishment is it gives people that might not trust you an idea that you aren't totally opposed to them, thats a win in my book.
look, YOU asked me what i didn't like about Trump, and I answered you. The "have a drink" comment was really to reinforce that whether I agree or disagree politically with Obama, Biden and Clinton, from what I can observe, they seem like ok guys. Get them out of politics, probably cool to discuss the game with.
I just couldn't see that with Trump. If you do...OK. Doesn't mean I'm going to vote for them, or agree with their political beliefs. This isn't difficult.
No, it's just that you want your cake and eat it too. In this age of politics, that doesn't exist. This fight that we currently have for the heartbeat of our country is being fought, and currently winning, by a dark group of people. We are going to need more than one ******* to fight back against it.
I'll give you some context on my point of view. In sports, there is a ideology that goes like this. If what you get out of a player on the field, outweighs what you have to put up with off the field, well you can live with it. That's where myself, and I would guess most Trump supporters are. He's fighting for our country.
As soon as the pendulum swings the other way, the player is of no use to the team. I assume that's where you are. If it's not Trump, maybe DeSantis. Do you think he's going to get treated any differently by the left and their minions in the media? He's already had to call people to the carpet from the media for lying about him.
IF the GOP brought him back, it would instantly turn off 50% of Americans --- there is absolutely NO middle ground with people on him.
As for the media and DeSantis or anyone else....I get it....the media too has taken off any pretense of impartiality and has become cheerleaders. But I hope we get a candidate who can use that effectively, not spit in their face. Or not get into such a "I'll get you" mode that they miss more important messaging.
Trump was not divisive, he was polarizing, but not divisive. The media twisted everything he said and made it divisive. The democrats have claimed that everything a republican did is racists and the media echos that and 99% of it was made up. That is divisive.
Where we differ is in politician talk. I don't like what I heard from Biden's SOTU. It was mostly lies and campaigning. But, it gave you the warm and fuzzies. That's your prerogative.
We can agree to disagree on Trump being divisive. Whether he intended to be, or just used words that were easily manipulated (like when he talked about Africa, or about Hispanics or about the good people in Cville, or the good people here and there, etc), I guess that is up for debate
It really isn't up for debate, it just matters if you have an open mind. But, whatever...
Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?Steve Videtich said:TheStorm said:
My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?
He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.
That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.
I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.
Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?
LOL, oh yeah, poor little Donald Trump. Never did a thing, just showed up and all the bad people started calling him out.TheStorm said:
My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?
He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.
I'll say it again -- and while I don't have evidence, I believe it to my core....if Trump had been able to control his emotions instead of this heroic "telling everyone where to stick it", he'd still be POTUS. I mean, the election was pretty darned close despite the way he acted, despite Covid, and despite the huge coordinated effort to get out votes to beat him....and we all know there were a big chunk of voters who had voted from Trump in 16 who could not tolerate it any longer --- i doubt very few of those were due to his policies.
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