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I appreciate you telling me my point is wrong on "many levels" and then going into great detail agreeing with it

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What the hell are you talking about? You said he shouldn't meet with him. I said he should. Please elaborate so one of your sheep will leave me the hell alone.

Sleepy Joe showed who he is yet again for all the world to see. He should have been on the stage next to him. I'm sorry if your leader is an incompetent idiot but he still is POTUS and should have been ready for this moment. He sadly wasn't.

But to say he shouldn't have met with him is idiotic.

I never agreed with a damn thing you said. Now tell your little gimp to put his ball gag back in his mouth.

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LOL, I see you've never answered my questions. I guess because you right wingers can't do it (see how this works when you just put people in groups). You go around calling folks out all the time, demanding they answer your questions taht are usually based on made up things in your head. I ask you to simply prove the things you said, and you can't do it...then cry about me asking you those things.

By God, I think you are Trump junior.
Just saying anything you want. Generalize everyone into groups, most of them "bad" or "great". Scream real loud. Deflect. Get mad when asked to prove any of your claims. Then after calling out people as a part of your normal schtick, crying when asked to do the same. Given special treatment by the site. Just like your hero.

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I agree with BBW... what question did he not answer?

BTW, Hokie said Biden shouldn't meet with Putin. I asked why not? BBW, I think, says he should (or really the US should).

The real point is that, Hokie, you're probably correct... Biden shouldn't meet with Putin as he's not qualified.

And, Packchem, what the hell are you talking about with the mic drop stuff? It appears, you dropped the mic on yourself..

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you are correct. It also provides Putin a world stage that he doesn't deserve

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Even CNN has published an analysis piece this afternoon saying this was perfect for Putin, and that the fact the US requested it w/o some sort of changed behavior lets him dictate to his supporters that he is on equal status of importance as the US POTUS.

Congratulations Biden admin (and apparent hater of US power, Mr BBG, who also thought having such a meeting was a good thing just like not dodging UNC, smh).

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A strong person, with strong policies, would have been fine in that meeting. I think you are questioning the wrong thing. I haven't seen any of the reporting on the meeting; however, I bet Putin owned Biden.

So, in that case, you are probably correct (as I said before), Biden is not capable of having a meeting at this level. In fact, name one person that is. Remember, Tony Blinken was owned by the Chinese earlier this year.

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LOL. You love to pose some kind of clouded questions and then dare people to answer them. So...I'll ask you a very clear one to prove why you are not a good-faith person on this board.
You just said, "but to say the left uses science every time" to support... OK, here's your shot -- where did I ever say that? This should be real easy for a "common sense" guys like yourself. LOL, you wont find it, because you just make crap up.

Second, you make a specific point that "I failed to admit that the left has for over a year that men can have babies". Again, I worry about your reading skills. I actually very specifically mentioned that, and said I"ve never heard it. Then mocked the very idea. If any person has suggested that men can have babies, they are bleeping idiots, period.

And finally....because you are so blinded by your own ignorance that you refuse to see the obvious....IF the Lefties / Socialcrats, etc lose the midterms....I will be happy. I want them to lose. I think Biden is proving to be a problem, because he has been moved left of even what he promised in the election. I didn't want him then, and don't want him now.

The fact you now are Mr Science, but then allow Guerilla off the hook for his "opinion" about the earth, despite the fact that is exactly about science, proves how much you are full of BS, not "common sense".

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Since you obviously live with your head up... in the sand.... here you go. The lefties have been pushing gender neutrality for years. You are being obtuse. If not...well..I know how tender you are so I'll leave it at that.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/532518-house-introduces-gender-neutral-language-in-new

https://mynorthwest.com/1692099/rantz-man-pregnant-sex-education-kindergarten/?

https://catholicvote.org/twitter-suspends-politician-for-tweeting-that-men-cant-get-pregnant/

There are dozens more. But I am not doing your homework for you. I think I proved my point to you. Again.

I don't make stuff up. Your posts reveal who you are and what you believe. Awful convenient to jump on a bandwagon after failing to acknowledge any of the facts posted by REAL Conservatives. You damn sure have been all over the spectrum with your opinions. But I'll give you one thing... you are "trying" to flip the script as to who you are.

You don't like my style of posting put me on ignore. You never are able to dispute the facts myself and others present. You drag it into some type of strawman argument that you eventually run and hide from like I am sure you are about to do with this one.

So onto the "science." You never disputed that the you...err....LOL...the "lefties" claim there are over 140+ sexes now and that a beating heart doesn't mean there's life. But yet your God Fauci, who you followed religiously throughout the pandemic, has lied, changed his story, been proven to have benefited directly from the Wuhan Research Lab and there are hundreds upon hundreds of emails that prove that. Have you retracted your support for him and that the virus occurred naturally and not from the lab? Which it did come from the lab.

As far as Guerilla goes... he has the same freedom and same rights as you and I do. He can believe whatever he wants. I don't agree with him on that. But for you and others to claim that a beating heart isn't a sign of life and that there are 140+ sexes how do you have any moral high ground to question his beliefs?

If you don't see the irony in that I can't help you.

Now back to the BS statements you and Hokie have made this evening. At no point did I ever agree or prove Hokie's point.

I think the United States should have met with Putin. I think the United States' citizens saw what a **** show Sleepy Joe is. He embarrassed the entire country in front of the world. Especially with his little temper tantrum at the end.

Now you and Hokie can apologize for making that **** up or continue to look like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. Whatever floats your boat.

If you have any more questions I need to answer hit me up. Thumping you and your comrades on the head is easier than a 1st grade reading book. Maybe you two should start there. Whatever you have done to get to where you are today is pretty damn sad.

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Hell, if he'd just manned up and was aggressive in helping the two Georgia Senators get elected we'd at least have a Republican Senate. To me, that was Trumps biggest failure in leadership

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Exactly. Every chance to have kept the "socialists" out of control, but that was not important to him. I don't get why GOP is not angry at him. (except he played the victim card with the media, and with our new view on life, we all want to get on board with that, rather than holding the guy accountable for his p'ing away the control).

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Guys, you are kidding, right... Trump did huge rally's for both of the GA Senators. In fact, they had some of the biggest audiences of any of his rally's. These rally's were prior to the run-off elections.

One thing to consider is: the people on the ground were reporting that republicans didn't want to show up because they didn't feel their vote counted. Keep an eye on GA as they are about to do an audit the size of Arizona. Also, look at the GA SOS, he is now calling on an investigation regarding the election (primarily, the drop box ballots).

The real issue is that we should have never had at least one of the run-offs. The data based on what I am hearing says Perdue won on November 3rd; but, nobody really cares....

Just blame Trump... it's easy isn't it?

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What led Georgia Republicans to believe their vote wouldn't count?

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Hell, if he'd just manned up and was aggressive in helping the two Georgia Senators get elected we'd at least have a Republican Senate. To me, that was Trumps biggest failure in leadership

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Exactly. Every chance to have kept the "socialists" out of control, but that was not important to him. I don't get why GOP is not angry at him. (except he played the victim card with the media, and with our new view on life, we all want to get on board with that, rather than holding the guy accountable for his p'ing away the control).

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Guys, you are kidding, right... Trump did huge rally's for both of the GA Senators. In fact, they had some of the biggest audiences of any of his rally's. These rally's were prior to the run-off elections.

One thing to consider is: the people on the ground were reporting that republicans didn't want to show up because they didn't feel their vote counted. Keep an eye on GA as they are about to do an audit the size of Arizona. Also, look at the GA SOS, he is now calling on an investigation regarding the election (primarily, the drop box ballots).

The real issue is that we should have never had at least one of the run-offs. The data based on what I am hearing says Perdue won on November 3rd; but, nobody really cares....

Just blame Trump... it's easy isn't it?

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What led Georgia Republicans to believe their vote wouldn't count?

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Lin Wood

Trump too

Exactly.

****ting where you eat is problematic.

Blah..Blah...Blah... You asked me to answer your questions and I did. Sorry you didn't like the answers. You are too busy trying to do damage control to realize you have been exposed as nothing but a trolling fraud. Your fragile little ego has to be hurting this morning.

Your posts have mimicked MSM talking points just like your latest on the Covid thread. Your obsession with anything Trump is sad. Get over it. He's not President. You and your lefty comrades have Sleepy Joe to follow now.

In both of your verbose statements you appear as a puppy chasing its' tail over, and over, and over...... you proved nothing but the fact that your obsession with me is very disturbing. Not to mention every time you ask for something you get it. But you are unable to process the fact that you got your ass handed to you. AGAIN.

You ask me to show me where you posted several things. I don't have to. Your past positions and failure to condemn those taken up by your "lefty" buddies say it all. Not to mention the fact that you routinely are spouting off left wing nonsense on a regular basis fed to you by your lefty MSM propaganda machine. You slurp those like...they are gospel.

Now my advice to you is to ignore me. Quit hijacking every damn thread with your babble and nonsense.

And for the record...I have only went to the mods about one poster and it was another mod. FACT. Your inferiority complex is evident with the way you respond to posts. You must be a sad "little" man.

As far as the personal insults.... I'll just say this. There's nothing I can say about you that you haven't already said and proven about yourself.

This is fun...

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Hell, if he'd just manned up and was aggressive in helping the two Georgia Senators get elected we'd at least have a Republican Senate. To me, that was Trumps biggest failure in leadership

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Exactly. Every chance to have kept the "socialists" out of control, but that was not important to him. I don't get why GOP is not angry at him. (except he played the victim card with the media, and with our new view on life, we all want to get on board with that, rather than holding the guy accountable for his p'ing away the control).

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Guys, you are kidding, right... Trump did huge rally's for both of the GA Senators. In fact, they had some of the biggest audiences of any of his rally's. These rally's were prior to the run-off elections.

One thing to consider is: the people on the ground were reporting that republicans didn't want to show up because they didn't feel their vote counted. Keep an eye on GA as they are about to do an audit the size of Arizona. Also, look at the GA SOS, he is now calling on an investigation regarding the election (primarily, the drop box ballots).

The real issue is that we should have never had at least one of the run-offs. The data based on what I am hearing says Perdue won on November 3rd; but, nobody really cares....

Just blame Trump... it's easy isn't it?

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Trump too

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Actually, the win Trump had in Georgia the magically disappeared as the night and days went on... you know it, the media knows it, Biden and Harris knows it, hell, everyone knows it.

Ballets coming in from everywhere, including under tables... ok, let's say the ballets were legal (they now have chain of custody issue), the video shows clearly they violated statutes in Georgia. They needed watchers that were not there...

You can blame Trump all you want, the facts are just not on your side,,, I hope you're smart enough to see them...

IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

They are in a perpetual loop of anything and everything bad is Trump's fault. Their new leader is such a disaster they refuse to move on and hold the new **** show administration accountable for anything.

I fully expect some of the lefties on here, and it's coming, to start blaming Trump for the crisis at the border, inflation and the high gas prices.

They are so obsessed with Trump and Conservatives their hate has clouded what I would hope a one time intelligent mind.

But from what I've seen from some that is absolutely questionable.

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Hell, if he'd just manned up and was aggressive in helping the two Georgia Senators get elected we'd at least have a Republican Senate. To me, that was Trumps biggest failure in leadership

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Exactly. Every chance to have kept the "socialists" out of control, but that was not important to him. I don't get why GOP is not angry at him. (except he played the victim card with the media, and with our new view on life, we all want to get on board with that, rather than holding the guy accountable for his p'ing away the control).

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Guys, you are kidding, right... Trump did huge rally's for both of the GA Senators. In fact, they had some of the biggest audiences of any of his rally's. These rally's were prior to the run-off elections.

One thing to consider is: the people on the ground were reporting that republicans didn't want to show up because they didn't feel their vote counted. Keep an eye on GA as they are about to do an audit the size of Arizona. Also, look at the GA SOS, he is now calling on an investigation regarding the election (primarily, the drop box ballots).

The real issue is that we should have never had at least one of the run-offs. The data based on what I am hearing says Perdue won on November 3rd; but, nobody really cares....

Just blame Trump... it's easy isn't it?

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What led Georgia Republicans to believe their vote wouldn't count?

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Lin Wood

Trump too

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Actually, the win Trump had in Georgia the magically disappeared as the night and days went on... you know it, the media knows it, Biden and Harris knows it, hell, everyone knows it.

Ballets coming in from everywhere, including under tables... ok, let's say the ballets were legal (they now have chain of custody issue), the video shows clearly they violated statutes in Georgia. They needed watchers that were not there...

You can blame Trump all you want, the facts are just not on your side,,, I hope you're smart enough to see them...

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Trump suppressed the Republican vote in the runoff Senate race with his loud complaints and conspiracy theories of fraud, that's a fact and the number 1 reason why the Republicans lost both races.

Here we are 7 months after the election and there is still no real proof of fraud. There is proof of poor record keeping though.

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How do you prove something if there is not investigation? How do you get the information out if the media is blocking any and all attempts of getting information out there?

Open your eyes and quite being so damn partisan. You hate Trump. Get over it. All the boo hooing you and your comrades do daily about Trump is damn near an affliction. The man is out of office. Move on.

Every damn thread you lefties post on has to circle back to Trump. I guess you are so butt hurt he beat your Queen you can't let it go.

The problem with the Georgia runoffs in principle is that all kinds of people could be mobilized to vote in the runoffs that did NOT vote in the General Election... and there could be mail-in ballots again (with no verification if that person actually cast that vote just like the first time), so there's that pesky fact still hanging out there as well.

Lets get back to the subject at hand. With the debacle that was this summit yesterday there was one thing that Biden on the surface is appearing to do the right thing in that he is continuing Trumps agenda on China and pushing the EU to join in on pressuring China through policy.

We'll have to see if the Biden administration has the stomach to keep it going, but that was the one encouraging thing to come out this summit.

Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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Yep, I hated Trump so much I voted for him twice. Why can't you open your eyes and admit Trump made a mistake that cost the party two Senate seats? It's ok to admit he's not perfect. That's not hate, it just is what it is.

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Those Senate seats were done as soon as they were declared to be heading to runoff... the system was already in place and there wasn't one damn thing that Trump did - or didn't do - that was going to change any of that.

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Yep, I hated Trump so much I voted for him twice. Why can't you open your eyes and admit Trump made a mistake that cost the party two Senate seats? It's ok to admit he's not perfect. That's not hate, it just is what it is.

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Hokie, here's the way I see things...

If it takes moderates two years to see what a **** Show the Democrats are, then ok... afterwards, with the right people, in office, we will get things back to normal. So, if Trump caused the loss of two Senate seats to create the new undercurrent of Election Audits, then the "ends justify the means".

I personally believe the Election System is as flawed as any in the World (excluding countries like Russia who manufacture outcomes the same way we did). So, if you haven't been following, the Audits are metastasizing!

I could be wrong with my "believe" (that doesn't mean factual) on elections; so, I am going to see these actions to the end. If my belief becomes fact, we will have a constitutional crises on our hands!!!

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Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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Let's leave this at the bottom until he collects his thoughts. I for one am very interested in what he has to say.

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Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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I honestly don't have any major differences on most of these --- save for perhaps your proposed "assault on Chinese people here in the US". I think I understand your goal, but this was one area Trump hurt us all, and we see the effects with violence against certain peoples now.

I don't recall - we did the tariffs on China thing under Trump -- did it help (not being difficult, just don't recall).
All for term limits -- while it helps to have experience in law-making, clearly the life-long terms some of these folks are granted is bad for all, and reduced military spending.
All for regulating wall street (kinda funny though, as GOP to ask for regulations there)
Secure the borders, give better access to citizenship. Limit it? I'm not sure...we should all be glad our predecessors didn't think that way.

Whats the concerns with 16/17th amendments?
I think the GOP should have taken a more proactive role in healthcare. Not Obamacare, but other options. They talked it as a way to get rid of Obamacare, but then did nothing. We shouldn't have American citizens who can't get healthcare (and yes, the amount we spend on healthcare for illegal immigrants should bother us all).
I know its more of a state issue now, but I have tons of trouble with the progression of abortion laws, allowing them so late in term. Its disgusting.

Ultimately though....its not Trump's policies I have issue with. In fact, he was seeing successes that he could / should have been able to promote to FINALLY bring more black voters into the GOP fold, as after years of being mired in the same, or worsening conditions under Dem policies, they had great job improvements.
But...the man's complete lack of "reading the room" and having any sort of common decency disrupted that.
And ultiamtely, to me, the most important job of the POTUS is to be presidential. For all his people, for his party, for the legislators, for international leaders, etc. And I think Trump got so caught up in "beating the media" and continually focused on them, and his legacy, that he forfeited all the rest. And so divisiveness ended up worse than its ever been.

ETA: I do think there should be more gun controls. I don't think people need the high powered, high repeating weapons. I don't care if they are for "fun" or not...they should be limited.

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Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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I honestly don't have any major differences on most of these --- save for perhaps your proposed "assault on Chinese people here in the US". I think I understand your goal, but this was one area Trump hurt us all, and we see the effects with violence against certain peoples now. We have an extreme difference in people of Asian descent. I'm speaking specifically about Chinese CCP members infiltrating so much of our country. Remember Fan Fan with Swalwell?

I don't recall - we did the tariffs on China thing under Trump -- did it help (not being difficult, just don't recall). Yes, Trump added tariffs to China in a large way. In fact, he called for a 100% tariff on China just last weekend. I can get into long term positive affects along with the short term negative affects at another time

All for term limits -- while it helps to have experience in law-making, clearly the life-long terms some of these folks are granted is bad for all, and reduced military spending.

All for regulating wall street (kinda funny though, as GOP to ask for regulations there)

Secure the borders, give better access to citizenship. Limit it? I'm not sure...we should all be glad our predecessors didn't think that way. That just foolish talking. Think about American workers before immigration. If you do that, then we can create an fair and promising immigration program that protects and provides for all.

Whats the concerns with 16/17th amendments? Unfettered taxing allowed the congress to steal our money. Senators should be selected by our congress. We elect congress people locally (our State) to send representative to the Federal Government. The power shift to the Federal government is a direct result of this amendment.

I think the GOP should have taken a more proactive role in healthcare. Not Obamacare, but other options. They talked it as a way to get rid of Obamacare, but then did nothing. We shouldn't have American citizens who can't get healthcare (and yes, the amount we spend on healthcare for illegal immigrants should bother us all). The Republicans that wouldn't allow change were the establishment Republicans. I've said this before and I'll say it again: this is about America First vs Global Big Business; not Republican vs Democrat

I know its more of a state issue now, but I have tons of trouble with the progression of abortion laws, allowing them so late in term. Its disgusting.

Ultimately though....its not Trump's policies I have issue with. In fact, he was seeing successes that he could / should have been able to promote to FINALLY bring more black voters into the GOP fold, as after years of being mired in the same, or worsening conditions under Dem policies, they had great job improvements.

But...the man's complete lack of "reading the room" and having any sort of common decency disrupted that. He read the room better than any other person we have seen. Unfortunately, the room was against his America First policies (Globalist) and made a mockery out of everything he stood for. He had only one choice: go after them and call them for what they are, including Mitch mcConnell...

And ultiamtely, to me, the most important job of the POTUS is to be presidential. For all his people, for his party, for the legislators, for international leaders, etc. And I think Trump got so caught up in "beating the media" and continually focused on them, and his legacy, that he forfeited all the rest. And so divisiveness ended up worse than its ever been. That is exactly what needed to happen!!! Trust me, you will be thankful to him as the "Ends will justify the Means". Look at Obama's diplomacy. We agreed to so many horrible things for this country with diplomacy. Paris Accord, Iran Deal, Paying the majority to the WHO, NATO, unbalanced trade deals, Rocket Man stopped his actions, and so on. Trump did extremely good for this country. Diplomacy would not have gotten it done. You know how I know that? History shows it!! Diplomacy got us into this mess!!

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IseWolf22 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

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Isle, go away, please... Your actions causes BBW's responses.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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I honestly don't have any major differences on most of these --- save for perhaps your proposed "assault on Chinese people here in the US". I think I understand your goal, but this was one area Trump hurt us all, and we see the effects with violence against certain peoples now. We have an extreme difference in people of Asian descent. I'm speaking specifically about Chinese CCP members infiltrating so much of our country. Remember Fan Fan with Swalwell?

I don't recall - we did the tariffs on China thing under Trump -- did it help (not being difficult, just don't recall). Yes, Trump added tariffs to China in a large way. In fact, he called for a 100% tariff on China just last weekend. I can get into long term positive affects along with the short term negative affects at another time

All for term limits -- while it helps to have experience in law-making, clearly the life-long terms some of these folks are granted is bad for all, and reduced military spending.

All for regulating wall street (kinda funny though, as GOP to ask for regulations there)

Secure the borders, give better access to citizenship. Limit it? I'm not sure...we should all be glad our predecessors didn't think that way. That just foolish talking. Think about American workers before immigration. If you do that, then we can create an fair and promising immigration program that protects and provides for all.

Whats the concerns with 16/17th amendments? Unfettered taxing allowed the congress to steal our money. Senators should be selected by our congress. We elect congress people locally (our State) to send representative to the Federal Government. The power shift to the Federal government is a direct result of this amendment.

I think the GOP should have taken a more proactive role in healthcare. Not Obamacare, but other options. They talked it as a way to get rid of Obamacare, but then did nothing. We shouldn't have American citizens who can't get healthcare (and yes, the amount we spend on healthcare for illegal immigrants should bother us all). The Republicans that wouldn't allow change were the establishment Republicans. I've said this before and I'll say it again: this is about America First vs Global Big Business; not Republican vs Democrat

I know its more of a state issue now, but I have tons of trouble with the progression of abortion laws, allowing them so late in term. Its disgusting.

Ultimately though....its not Trump's policies I have issue with. In fact, he was seeing successes that he could / should have been able to promote to FINALLY bring more black voters into the GOP fold, as after years of being mired in the same, or worsening conditions under Dem policies, they had great job improvements.

But...the man's complete lack of "reading the room" and having any sort of common decency disrupted that. He read the room better than any other person we have seen. Unfortunately, the room was against his America First policies (Globalist) and made a mockery out of everything he stood for. He had only one choice: go after them and call them for what they are, including Mitch mcConnell...

And ultiamtely, to me, the most important job of the POTUS is to be presidential. For all his people, for his party, for the legislators, for international leaders, etc. And I think Trump got so caught up in "beating the media" and continually focused on them, and his legacy, that he forfeited all the rest. And so divisiveness ended up worse than its ever been. That is exactly what needed to happen!!! Trust me, you will be thankful to him as the "Ends will justify the Means". Look at Obama's diplomacy. We agreed to so many horrible things for this country with diplomacy. Paris Accord, Iran Deal, Paying the majority to the WHO, NATO, unbalanced trade deals, Rocket Man stopped his actions, and so on. Trump did extremely good for this country. Diplomacy would not have gotten it done. You know how I know that? History shows it!! Diplomacy got us into this mess!!

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Re: China -- but see, you pulled a Trump, and said "an assault on Chinese people...". If you meant a specific group, say that. This was one of Trump's biggest issues -- words matter.

Re: tariffs: and didn't teh Chinese apply tariffs on us, that hurt farmers? BTW, I'm all for the government ensuring we arent' getting screwed.

Re: immigration -- protect jobs, 100% -- but do we have Americans lining up for farm work, restaurant work, mowing grass, cleaning hotel rooms? I think many have moved past this, no? (sadly)

Re: Trump's style...I'm all for holding those international cartels (WHO, NATO, etc) accountable, and looking for more $$ input from our capable peers. My point was more about -- he could have appealed to blacks, but 100% p'd that away with his ignorant comments after Charlottesville. He lost an entire voting block at that point. Or just look at the turnover in his own cabinet / key leaders -- either he was the worst hiring source ever, or he was incapable of working with others who were supposedly in philosophical agreement with him. And while those where having some stability would actually be helpful to policy development and support.

IseWolf22 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

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You can post this but you won't condemn anti-Semitism. You do you. I won't comment any further on your anti-Semitic views. You have had more than one chance to walk them back and you haven't. Now goose step the hell off this thread if you don't have anything to contribute.

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ETA: I do think there should be more gun controls. I don't think people need the high powered, high repeating weapons. I don't care if they are for "fun" or not...they should be limited.

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Well you are 50/50 in line with the SOCIALIST PARTY... and you just proved it with your answers.

Here's an attempt at a "good faith" discussion before you obfuscate it into another one of your "5 D's of being a lefty" discussion.

Judging from the terminology you used to describe gun control you have a very limited at best knowledge of guns.

Explain to your fans exactly what guns you are talking about and exactly what is a "high repeating weapon?"

You just can't help yourself from spouting off stuff you hear on CNN and MSNBC can you?

Go ahead. Let's have a "good faith" discussion as you have said I am incapable of having. Explain your self comrade.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

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Isle, go away, please... Your actions causes BBW's responses.

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Cary, please.

BBW's tantruming is indiscriminate. It ain't about ISE.

Also, why do you and BBW think it's cool to defend his raging and then tell people making respectful, good faith arguments to "go away"?

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Civ, do you respond to BBW anymore? Did you think Isle's GIF was warranted? If so, then why wouldn't BBW's response be warranted?

pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

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Isle, go away, please... Your actions causes BBW's responses.

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Cary, please.

BBW's tantruming is indiscriminate. It ain't about ISE.

Also, why do you and BBW think it's cool to defend his raging and then tell people making respectful, good faith arguments to "go away"?

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Civ, do you respond to BBW anymore? Did you think Isle's GIF was warranted? If so, then why wouldn't BBW's response be warranted?

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I don't speak for ISE but think he tried for months to take the high road and is now responding to BBW's ranting and raving and name-calling by holding up a mirror.

Packchem91 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Packchem,

Your post sure make it look like you have left leanings; however, you say you're not. Perhaps, if you state what you are for and against, this pissing match could be rectified.

I'll start:

• reduce spending on social items (safety net programs)
• reduce spending on Medicare and Social Security
• Reduce spending on unnecessary (I know, this word has different meaning to people) wars
• Remove our military out of most places (this will lower expenses)
• Ramp up spending on war items (planes, ships, bombs, etc) China is doing this.
• Increase tariffs on China and perhaps decouple the dollar from them
• Seize all assets, of the CCP, in the US
• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US
• Term limits on Congress
• Term limits on Supreme Court and Federal Courts
• Term limits on Federal Employees
• No more Free trade with any country. I'm not saying to add Tariffs; however, I support a "fair trade" agenda with the use of tarrifs when things get out of bounds for the US.
• Decouple Wall Street from having unique access to the markets. The game is rigged against retail investors (Game Stop and AMC situation).
• No more bail outs for Investment houses that use the markets as a casino. This is coming in the next 5 to 10 years. Mark my words!
• Simplify the tax code system
• Repeal the 17th Amendment
• Repeal the 16th Amendment
• Regulations in Federal Agencies need to be taken to congress to process as a bill like everything else we do. We have given too much control to different Federal Agencies.
• Require all bills, in Congress, to state the Constitutional Power, they have to pass such bill. The courts can rule on them without a person or State bringing a case against the bill.
• Secure the DAMN border
• Clean up the bureaucracy for immigrant to migrate to America and limit the number of people allowed in.
• I can add more however, this a good start...

Pachchem, your turn?

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I honestly don't have any major differences on most of these --- save for perhaps your proposed "assault on Chinese people here in the US". I think I understand your goal, but this was one area Trump hurt us all, and we see the effects with violence against certain peoples now. We have an extreme difference in people of Asian descent. I'm speaking specifically about Chinese CCP members infiltrating so much of our country. Remember Fan Fan with Swalwell?

I don't recall - we did the tariffs on China thing under Trump -- did it help (not being difficult, just don't recall). Yes, Trump added tariffs to China in a large way. In fact, he called for a 100% tariff on China just last weekend. I can get into long term positive affects along with the short term negative affects at another time

All for term limits -- while it helps to have experience in law-making, clearly the life-long terms some of these folks are granted is bad for all, and reduced military spending.

All for regulating wall street (kinda funny though, as GOP to ask for regulations there)

Secure the borders, give better access to citizenship. Limit it? I'm not sure...we should all be glad our predecessors didn't think that way. That just foolish talking. Think about American workers before immigration. If you do that, then we can create an fair and promising immigration program that protects and provides for all.

Whats the concerns with 16/17th amendments? Unfettered taxing allowed the congress to steal our money. Senators should be selected by our congress. We elect congress people locally (our State) to send representative to the Federal Government. The power shift to the Federal government is a direct result of this amendment.

I think the GOP should have taken a more proactive role in healthcare. Not Obamacare, but other options. They talked it as a way to get rid of Obamacare, but then did nothing. We shouldn't have American citizens who can't get healthcare (and yes, the amount we spend on healthcare for illegal immigrants should bother us all). The Republicans that wouldn't allow change were the establishment Republicans. I've said this before and I'll say it again: this is about America First vs Global Big Business; not Republican vs Democrat

I know its more of a state issue now, but I have tons of trouble with the progression of abortion laws, allowing them so late in term. Its disgusting.

Ultimately though....its not Trump's policies I have issue with. In fact, he was seeing successes that he could / should have been able to promote to FINALLY bring more black voters into the GOP fold, as after years of being mired in the same, or worsening conditions under Dem policies, they had great job improvements.

But...the man's complete lack of "reading the room" and having any sort of common decency disrupted that. He read the room better than any other person we have seen. Unfortunately, the room was against his America First policies (Globalist) and made a mockery out of everything he stood for. He had only one choice: go after them and call them for what they are, including Mitch mcConnell...

And ultiamtely, to me, the most important job of the POTUS is to be presidential. For all his people, for his party, for the legislators, for international leaders, etc. And I think Trump got so caught up in "beating the media" and continually focused on them, and his legacy, that he forfeited all the rest. And so divisiveness ended up worse than its ever been. That is exactly what needed to happen!!! Trust me, you will be thankful to him as the "Ends will justify the Means". Look at Obama's diplomacy. We agreed to so many horrible things for this country with diplomacy. Paris Accord, Iran Deal, Paying the majority to the WHO, NATO, unbalanced trade deals, Rocket Man stopped his actions, and so on. Trump did extremely good for this country. Diplomacy would not have gotten it done. You know how I know that? History shows it!! Diplomacy got us into this mess!!

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Re: China -- but see, you pulled a Trump, and said "an assault on Chinese people...". If you meant a specific group, say that. This was one of Trump's biggest issues -- words matter.

Re: tariffs: and didn't teh Chinese apply tariffs on us, that hurt farmers? BTW, I'm all for the government ensuring we arent' getting screwed. How many small farmers get access to exports? Most of these farming companies are now big business. Nonetheless, our farming exports went up during the Trump admin

Re: immigration -- protect jobs, 100% -- but do we have Americans lining up for farm work, restaurant work, mowing grass, cleaning hotel rooms? I think many have moved past this, no? (sadly). They have moved pass this right into Government subsidy's.

Re: Trump's style...I'm all for holding those international cartels (WHO, NATO, etc) accountable, and looking for more $$ input from our capable peers. My point was more about -- he could have appealed to blacks, but 100% p'd that away with his ignorant comments after Charlottesville. Blacks got p'd by the narrative created by the media. Trump did not say what the media said he said. The words and context were about people with different opinions are the issue and there are good people on both sides. He clearly called the both sides of the radicals in Charlottesville at that event.


He lost an entire voting block at that point. Funny enough, Black votes actually went up for Trump in 2020. Or just look at the turnover in his own cabinet / key leaders -- either he was the worst hiring source ever, or he was incapable of working with others who were supposedly in philosophical agreement with him. And while those where having some stability would actually be helpful to policy development and support. I think he trusted too many Globalist people that had philosophical differences with him. So, yes, he hired poorly and/or was advised poorly.

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How would you have worded this different?

• Do an all out assault on Chinese people, working in Government, Education, Big Business/Tech and determine if they are related to the CCP. If so, remove their Visa's and escort them out of the US

BTW, I think the actions of the CCP are so bad for us and the rest of the world, that the actions are warranted by our government. Not like we did to the Japanese, but in a way that identify's and eradicate them from the US.

Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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IsisWolf22 supports an anti-Semitic supporter. I'm not sure he cares about facts. The only thing he and his ilk can say is "Trump bad...Trump real, real bad....."

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Isle, go away, please... Your actions causes BBW's responses.

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Cary, please.

BBW's tantruming is indiscriminate. It ain't about ISE.

Also, why do you and BBW think it's cool to defend his raging and then tell people making respectful, good faith arguments to "go away"?

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Civ, do you respond to BBW anymore? Did you think Isle's GIF was warranted? If so, then why wouldn't BBW's response be warranted?

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I don't speak for ISE but think he tried for months to take the high road and is now responding to BBW's ranting and raving and name-calling by holding up a mirror.

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Civ, do you respond to BBW anymore?

BBW12OG said:

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ETA: I do think there should be more gun controls. I don't think people need the high powered, high repeating weapons. I don't care if they are for "fun" or not...they should be limited.

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Well you are 50/50 in line with the SOCIALIST PARTY... and you just proved it with your answers.

Here's an attempt at a "good faith" discussion before you obfuscate it into another one of your "5 D's of being a lefty" discussion.

Judging from the terminology you used to describe gun control you have a very limited at best knowledge of guns.

Explain to your fans exactly what guns you are talking about and exactly what is a "high repeating weapon?"

You just can't help yourself from spouting off stuff you hear on CNN and MSNBC can you?

Go ahead. Let's have a "good faith" discussion as you have said I am incapable of having. Explain your self comrade.

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I will fully admit I don't know much about guns (see, a little humility is a good thing). But I should not be able to go into a business, church, stadium, etc and blow away 40 people in minutes. I would love to think reasonable people could agree on such things.

I'm not talking about standard handguns or shotguns or rifles here, I'm referring to these rapid auto/semi-auto fire weapons that arent used by casual hunters and if used to defend your home woudl likely result in you killing your family or neighbors too. ARs, and such.

And let me be clear....i support the "people kill people" mantra. You can't stop criminals from getting guns necessarily, and many of the inner city crime you love to rant about, and the domestic killings we see, are from just "ordinary" handguns. I'm not even advocating to taking those away. But you'll never convince me there is any plausible reason to have the auto-fire AR weapons other than to inflict carnage on people.

If that opinion makes me a socialist...so be it. But lord, that seems like a pretty silly use of that word if so.
See...one example of good-faith would be able to have differences of opinion -- in this case about how to prevent needless deaths -- w/o having to lump people into some kind of negative connoted groups. That is not even difficult, but.....