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In reply to caryking • 1:03p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...

Few Americans can afford those approaches. The costs are too onerous.

Coverage and affordability of healthcare services are both issues that continue to require our focus.
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In reply to caryking • 1:19p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
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In reply to Civilized • 1:48p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...

Few Americans can afford those approaches. The costs are too onerous.

Coverage and affordability of healthcare services are both issues that continue to require our focus.
I understand that few Americans can afford those approaches; however, who is supposed to pay for this?
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In reply to statefan91 • 1:49p, 2/3/21
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
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In reply to statefan91 • 2:11p, 2/3/21
statefan91 said:
ncsualum05 said:
Is anyone that voted for Biden regretting it yet? This is such a ****show so far. Exactly what I expected but I can imagine a lot of you are caught by surprise.
Can you elaborate?
The 40+ executive orders, most of which help no one other than maybe foreign adversaries like Russia and China. Things like shutting down pipeline. How about creating an immigration crisis almost immediately by trying to open up the borders and promise amnesty. We rejoined the paris accords? Big whoop... only idiots are suckered into believing that means anything. Rejoining WHO... awesome the people who helped cover for the Chinese so that they could release this disease onto the earth. China virus relief? Still can't get that done and I'm sure whenever it is it will be packed full of the normal pork crap. That's a congress issue as well. Continued gaffes... he can't hardly appear and give a coherent speech. He is full of crap and a liar. Big tech continues to reign supreme targeting conservatives. They're still obsessed with Trump and silencing Trump. I've made it a point not to watch news lately... if I did I could probably find 100 more horrible things.
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In reply to caryking • 2:14p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
Better yet....who is going to pay for the "affordable and comprehensive" structure?

I know the answer to that. So does the SOCIALIST PARTY.

Game. Set. Match. Thanks for coming out... by the way..... a quote from a great damn movie..

"I may even want a coffee with my bagel..."

Y'all figure out where it came from!
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In reply to caryking • 2:15p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
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In reply to caryking • 2:28p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
Not sure - sounds like you maybe think that healthcare costs are unaffordable and unreasonable for a person to be able to pay out of pocket?
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In reply to statefan91 • 2:30p, 2/3/21
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
Not sure - sounds like you maybe think that healthcare costs are unaffordable and unreasonable for a person to be able to pay out of pocket?
Double talk.... glad you have me on ignore and you won't actually debate or discuss. Just throw out questions to "spin" rather than address.

Typical.
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2:32p, 2/3/21
Here's the "Climate Czar" Ketchup Kerry telling us peasants how the Bourgeis view us and how they are more deserving than we are.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-private-jet-iceland-climate-award
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In reply to Civilized • 3:08p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
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In reply to statefan91 • 3:09p, 2/3/21
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
Not sure - sounds like you maybe think that healthcare costs are unaffordable and unreasonable for a person to be able to pay out of pocket?
I'm not saying anything. I'm just asking a question.

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?
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In reply to caryking • 3:25p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
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In reply to Civilized • 3:35p, 2/3/21
So having the Government in charge of all medical, healthcare policy and payments would come from the the taxpayers?

Everyone would have the same medical plans, same leave, same clinics, hospitals etc....?

Seriously....And I have been called out for calling the SOCIALIST PARTY out????
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In reply to Civilized • 3:39p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

The "True Free Market" should set it. In healthcare insurance, we do "NOT" have a "True Free Market" solution. The government has regulated it to nth degree.

Go ahead and say: the government wouldn't have to regulate it if the Insurance company's would do it right. I would reply: we haven't had true multi-state Health Insurance commerce ever. Let's start there.

Now, I need to comment on the commerce clause of the constitution...

"to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian"

The word "regulate" at the time of the constitution meant: to make regular. That doesn't mean to control something; rather, it was a compact among the States that they would not regulate, tax, etc among themselves and the Federal government could stop any action of such...
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In reply to caryking • 4:18p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
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In reply to Civilized • 4:57p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
The last time I checked... I don't want to be in another country! Oh, and by the way, site the power, in the constitution, where the federal government CAN be involved in health care insurance. Once you do, then let's debate that power.
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In reply to caryking • 5:05p, 2/3/21
and....... any more questions on the current two party system in America?
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In reply to BBW12OG • 5:20p, 2/3/21
BBW12OG said:
and....... any more questions on the current two party system in America?
I really don't have an issue with the two party system. I do have a problem with how difficult it is for another party to get started and run candidates in any election.

BTW, it looks like Rep. Gaetz has enough votes to remove Liz Cheney from her position in the Republican Party.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:54p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?
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In reply to Cthepack • 7:32p, 2/3/21
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?


I have family in Canada and their healthcare is far from perfect. Three months on a waiting list to get into heart specialty hospital for a serious heart condition. Paying out of pocket for hip surgery because they could not handle the two year wait. Works well for routine medical. Ever seen a Dr make multiple charges for the same office visit? Yep, that happens too.
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In reply to Cthepack • 7:52p, 2/3/21
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?

Pick any of the eight or ten first world nations that have it.

No I haven't lived in them.

Fortunately we can both read so we can examine experiences outside our own. We're not early adopters here, having to learn by doing. We already know the benefits and drawbacks of single payer because we've watched other nations implement it.
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In reply to packofwolves • 7:54p, 2/3/21
packofwolves said:
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?


I have family in Canada and their healthcare is far from perfect. Three months on a waiting list to get into heart specialty hospital for a serious heart condition. Paying out of pocket for hip surgery because they could not handle the two year wait. Works well for routine medical. Ever seen a Dr make multiple charges for the same office visit? Yep, that happens too.

Nobody expects "perfect."

17% of Canadians are very dissatisfied with their healthcare.

That number is 44% for Americans.

It will never be perfect. It can be much better than what we have.
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In reply to Civilized • 8:14p, 2/3/21
Civilized said:
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?

Pick any of the eight or ten first world nations that have it.

No I haven't lived in them.

Fortunately we can both read so we can examine experiences outside our own. We're not early adopters here, having to learn by doing. We already know the benefits and drawbacks of single payer because we've watched other nations implement it.
Why do you consider any of the eight to ten first world nations analogous to the US? Do they have similar populations?

I have lived in a number of different countries and although you can read about what someone reports I find it can be different than what you actually experience.

Have you even lived outside NC?
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In reply to caryking • 8:20p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
The last time I checked... I don't want to be in another country! Oh, and by the way, site the power, in the constitution, where the federal government CAN be involved in health care insurance. Once you do, then let's debate that power.
All these comparisons still don't it constitutional...

What power, in the constitution, gives the federal government health care oversight?
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In reply to Cthepack • 10:11p, 2/3/21
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?

Pick any of the eight or ten first world nations that have it.

No I haven't lived in them.

Fortunately we can both read so we can examine experiences outside our own. We're not early adopters here, having to learn by doing. We already know the benefits and drawbacks of single payer because we've watched other nations implement it.
Why do you consider any of the eight to ten first world nations analogous to the US? Do they have similar populations?

I have lived in a number of different countries and although you can read about what someone reports I find it can be different than what you actually experience.

Have you even lived outside NC?

What countries are analogous to us by your standards?

In what ways are the countries that have single payer different from us, such that we can't learn from their single payer experience?
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In reply to caryking • 11:20p, 2/3/21
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
The last time I checked... I don't want to be in another country! Oh, and by the way, site the power, in the constitution, where the federal government CAN be involved in health care insurance. Once you do, then let's debate that power.

Neither do I. But context matters.

It's useful context that multiple other countries have overcome the challenges and experienced the societal benefits of public health care, and that no other country has ever done the same via a free market approach.

I'm not necessarily advocating for true single-payer healthcare but for the sake of argument, how is it less constitutional than Medicare currently? It's the same concept just with a broader consumer base.

I think you can actually argue the lack of constitutionality of the individual mandate a lot easier than single payer.
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In reply to BBW12OG • 11:28p, 2/3/21
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Here's the "Climate Czar" Ketchup Kerry telling us peasants how the Bourgeis view us and how they are more deserving than we are.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-private-jet-iceland-climate-award




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In reply to packgrad • 8:16a, 2/4/21
packgrad said:
BBW12OG said:
Here's the "Climate Czar" Ketchup Kerry telling us peasants how the Bourgeis view us and how they are more deserving than we are.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kerry-private-jet-iceland-climate-award




I wonder how much of the population understands that "tackling the climate crisis" is just a veil for politicians to be able to take more of your wealth and freedom. Anyone who says the climate is the biggest threat needs to have their head examined.
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8:19a, 2/4/21
Chucky Jen has some explaining to do if any SOCIALIST PARTY member of the media will ask her. The lefties here need to step up and defend this.

Making homophobic comments is ground for dismissal, ridicule and losing all public credibility right? Isn't this what the lefties have taught us?

Funny how all the lefties on this board refuse to engage me on topics because I say "mean" things... or I speak the truth.

The hypocrisy of this clown show is unreal. Having mental deficiencies at birth isn't a choice. Being stupid is.

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In reply to Civilized • 8:52a, 2/4/21
Civilized said:
packofwolves said:
Cthepack said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
Civilized said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
pineknollshoresking said:
statefan91 said:
I guess it's confusing that someone would expect a benefit to continue after losing their employer provided healthcare. I agree though, I think it sucks that she doesn't have that leave anymore and it should have been extended. Maybe we could find a way to decouple health coverage and parental leave so it's not dependent upon a vindictive boss or company deciding to cut its costs.
We do have it... Its called: call the local insurance agent and pay for Health Insurance privately! Or pay out of pocket when you go to the doctor...
Sounds like a good option for this person then, assuming it's affordable and comprehensive.
Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

Is there an example anywhere in the world of healthcare that's affordable and comprehensive being provided privately?
Changing the conversation...

Who sets the affordable and comprehensive structure?

I'm not changing anything. The answer to my question is key to determining who sets it.

My preference is for a privatized approach however I can't think of any examples anywhere in the world of comprehensive and affordable healthcare for a country's population that's provided privately that we can model our system after.

So the writing is on the wall that way it will be a public service, at least partially.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else would find that government is viable solution in any commerce. They have succeeded in it... actually, nowhere.

There are clear examples of more comprehensive and affordable public health care in countries analogous to us around the world.

There are no examples of comprehensive and affordable healthcare utilizing a free market approach anywhere in the world.

(On top of true free market economies not really existing and that pining away for one is tilting at macroeconomic windmills.)
I am curious what countries you would say are analogous with the US when it comes to comparing health care?

Have you ever lived outside the US in a country that has this comprehensive and affordable public health?


I have family in Canada and their healthcare is far from perfect. Three months on a waiting list to get into heart specialty hospital for a serious heart condition. Paying out of pocket for hip surgery because they could not handle the two year wait. Works well for routine medical. Ever seen a Dr make multiple charges for the same office visit? Yep, that happens too.

Nobody expects "perfect."

17% of Canadians are very dissatisfied with their healthcare.

That number is 44% for Americans.

It will never be perfect. It can be much better than what we have.
Maybe if the federal and state governments stopped taking huge amounts of money from everyone through taxes and got our of the insurance business people would have more money to buy insurance and they would also probably be able to get insurance

The issue with this, as well as most everything else is that a subsect of people in the country, as well as the world, think that the government should take care of and provide lots of things to lots of people in an attempt to make everything equal.

The truth of the matter is that all things aren't equal...and they never will be. Stop trying to enforce it by taking from people who have worked hard their entire life to have their little bit and giving it to people who haven't, or haven't made good decisions.
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In reply to cowboypack02 • 9:31a, 2/4/21
I don't think people are trying to make it equal across the board, that's silly. I think people are trying to enable those without opportunity to get it, and that requires investment from the Government and the society in general.
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In reply to statefan91 • 10:00a, 2/4/21
statefan91 said:
I don't think people are trying to make it equal across the board, that's silly. I think people are trying to enable those without opportunity to get it, and that requires investment from the Government and the society in general.
The government can't give anything to anyone that it doesn't take from someone else. This is because the government doesn't actually produce anything.

This means that for the government to give someone an opportunity it has to take something from someone, somewhere.

Want to give people insurance through the government? The government doesn't pay for it. The only want that the government can provide the funds to pay for insurance for someone it to take that money from someone else. Its not a zero-sum gain by any means. I'm sure that your decently well off...why don't you invest more that you have to pay in taxes every year for people to have these things. The government will take the extra money. As a matter of fact there is a .gov website where you can do just that. Why keep your paycheck outside of the bare minimums? I'll tell you why...because you earned it...just like I did. Why should you have to give up the fruits of your labor?
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In reply to cowboypack02 • 10:03a, 2/4/21
I'm not clear on what you're saying, are you against taxes in general or just in those that would help other people pay for healthcare?

Personally, I understand that I live in a society and my successes and failures are not borne in a vacuum. I understand that fractions of my income can be pooled with fractions of other's to help provide support for people that have no control of their situation. I'm ok with my taxes going to police, fire, EMT, the Army, food stamps, medicare, etc. I may never use some of those organizations / utilities but I'm ok with that because I am part of a society and that's just part of living in the society.
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In reply to statefan91 • 10:06a, 2/4/21
statefan91 said:
I'm not clear on what you're saying, are you against taxes in general or just in those that would help other people pay for healthcare?
How much help do you provide for others who "can't" pay for health care? Do you donate a portion of your salary to those who don't work and choose not to participate in the work force? I'm interested to see since you seem to be questioning those who are against a welfare state. Please elaborate from your throne how us peasants should operate.
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