cowboypack02 said:

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caryking said:

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October of 2020, one of the biggest stories in the media was the plot to kidnap and potentially killing of the Michigan Governor.

Well, the trial of those involved is currently going on without any media coverage.

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I have read a little bit about this. Apparently the folks who brought up the idea, provided a place to train, provided food and drugs, and even some of the women that the guys who were eventually charged hooked up with were all informants for the FBI.

I kinda feel like we're at the point with this where there were a bunch of FBI resources driving this thing, got a couple of idiots involved, and then turned those idiots over to the FBI.

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TheStorm said:

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Either Civ or Chem in 5... 4... 3...

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Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

Steve Videtich said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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Pretty sure it would've been reported as being an example right wing racism.

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cowboypack02 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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Pretty sure it would've been reported as being an example right wing racism.

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Pretty Sure? I love you man.....

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cowboypack02 said:

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caryking said:

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October of 2020, one of the biggest stories in the media was the plot to kidnap and potentially killing of the Michigan Governor.

Well, the trial of those involved is currently going on without any media coverage.

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I have read a little bit about this. Apparently the folks who brought up the idea, provided a place to train, provided food and drugs, and even some of the women that the guys who were eventually charged hooked up with were all informants for the FBI.

I kinda feel like we're at the point with this where there were a bunch of FBI resources driving this thing, got a couple of idiots involved, and then turned those idiots over to the FBI.

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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The whole witch hunt with Thomas' wife and Thomas not recusing himself is ridiculous and highly political. Supreme Court Justices do not need to recuse themselves over political beliefs. I hope they try to impeach him.

That would seal the deal on the next two elections.

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This is what I struggle with the entire way around.

Every judge that is being nominated is being nominated on political grounds across the board. Both parties do it so not a criticism.

I am a firm believer that every judge when making a ruling should have to be able to back up their stance by written law. When you release your ruling the exact law that was utilized should be referenced.

Prime example is the latest back and forth about the redistricting maps here in NC. The democrat judges ruled that the maps were illegal because they were partisan and then pulled in a special master to have the maps redone. Partisan maps are not illegal, and the state constitution says that the legislature gets to draw the maps, not a special master assigned by a partisan court. The judges should have to be able to justify their ruling by laws that have been passed by a legislature, not just decide that they don't like something and go from there..

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caryking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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The whole witch hunt with Thomas' wife and Thomas not recusing himself is ridiculous and highly political. Supreme Court Justices do not need to recuse themselves over political beliefs. I hope they try to impeach him.

That would seal the deal on the next two elections.

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This is what I struggle with the entire way around.

Every judge that is being nominated is being nominated on political grounds across the board. Both parties do it so not a criticism.

I am a firm believer that every judge when making a ruling should have to be able to back up their stance by written law. When you release your ruling the exact law that was utilized should be referenced.

Prime example is the latest back and forth about the redistricting maps here in NC. The democrat judges ruled that the maps were illegal because they were partisan and then pulled in a special master to have the maps redone. Partisan maps are not illegal, and the state constitution says that the legislature gets to draw the maps, not a special master assigned by a partisan court. The judges should have to be able to justify their ruling by laws that have been passed by a legislature, not just decide that they don't like something and go from there..

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The real problem is the weakness of Republicans! Look at the extreme liberal states…. They are jamming through major changes to the districts. Personally, in the partisan way the country is, I'm ok with what the Dems are doing. I'm just not ok with the Pubs folding like a cheap suit.

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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Civilized said:

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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Dude what are you talking about?

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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So, McCarthy came out and said Cawthorn lied in his statement. Who do you believe?

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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The whole witch hunt with Thomas' wife and Thomas not recusing himself is ridiculous and highly political. Supreme Court Justices do not need to recuse themselves over political beliefs. I hope they try to impeach him.

That would seal the deal on the next two elections.

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Civilized said:

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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Dude what are you talking about?

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

I'm pretty sure that I was told that criticizing a judge was tantamount to a direct challenge to our democracy every time Trump said when he was in office

Pelosi is asked if Clarence Thomas should resign.

PELOSI: “I don’t think he should have ever been appointed.” pic.twitter.com/fKB5Zolpmu

— Mike Berg (@MikeKBerg) March 31, 2022

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The whole witch hunt with Thomas' wife and Thomas not recusing himself is ridiculous and highly political. Supreme Court Justices do not need to recuse themselves over political beliefs. I hope they try to impeach him.

That would seal the deal on the next two elections.

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Agree that Supreme Court judges should never recuse simply over their political beliefs. That would be dumb, they'd be sitting out cases left and right.

However, Ginni Thomas wasn't hammering Mark Meadows about abortion rights or gun control.

Attempting to overturn a free and fair election isn't a political issue. That's a democracy issue, and it's why this issue is sticky for Clarence. The optics are bad.

But at the end of the day, Ginni Thomas ain't on the Supreme Court. Clarence is. Ginni is clearly not impartial about topics relating to the "the greatest Heist of our History" or whatever comical name she gave the 2020 election in her texts.

I haven't seen any evidence that Clarence's impartiality should reasonably be questioned. Being married to a loon is unfortunate for him, but it doesn't rise to the standard of recusal, let alone impeachment.

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

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caryking said:

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A women that is married to an esteemed Supreme Court Justice probably isn't a loon (my hunch). She witnessed something that she believed to be wrong. Perhaps, she has more insight than you, Civ, on the subject.

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caryking said:

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Civ, I like how you sling out a couple responses; yet, never engage when someone responded to you?

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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^ Kerry.....its not that they are weak, they are controlled and/or compromised. They have no choice. I would add to what the young Congressman from western North Carolina discusses re orgies etc. These new faces in DC don't just end up in an orgy they end up with pictures at the bedside the next morning. The pictures aren't of them and a beautiful young woman; they can be of them and a 7-yr old boy or girl. The Cabal owns you from the night forward. He$$; I doubt they even allow you to even retire if you ask to. I have a well connected family member that worked in DC IT and security for many years....u can take it to the bank.

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So, McCarthy came out and said Cawthorn lied in his statement. Who do you believe?

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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A women that is married to an esteemed Supreme Court Justice probably isn't a loon (my hunch). She witnessed something that she believed to be wrong. Perhaps, she has more insight than you, Civ, on the subject.

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Respectfully Cary, what she "witnessed" was Trump taking an 'L' because he's an asshat, and she simply couldn't square that with her misguided belief that Trump's rabid followers would win the day.

There has been more than enough time for anyone who actually witnessed anything untoward to come forward and have their claims explored.

People that buy into 2020 election fraud don't ever produce anything concrete. There's nothing quantitative. It's all feelings and emotion and completely dubious claims that are untethered from reality.

They see the rabid Trump support and that Biden is a bad President and they simply can't figure out how Trump got beat by an empty suit. They completely ignore how polarizing he was, and discount how many people wanted him out of office by November 2020.

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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Either Civ or Chem in 5... 4... 3...

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2...1...

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Civilized said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Imagine if a conservative white speaker of the house said this about a liberal black Supreme Court Judge.

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You'd have to imagine pretty hard.

There's only been one liberal black Supreme Court justice out of the 116 justices we've had.

108 of 116 justices have been white men.

But please, tell us more about unfair double-standards and the long history of victimizing conservative white male politicians in this country.

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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Either Civ or Chem in 5... 4... 3...

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2...1...

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Sorry, I've been driving to/from and then sitting in a surgery center today in Columbia while one of my sons underwent surgery….so I really haven't been monitoring the latest on this thread

And TBH, I'm not even sure what you and stormy are asking me to respond to?

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hokiewolf said:

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If Cawthorn cares more about actually legislating instead of trying to be some sort of king maker for NC politics and a social media star, it would be great. As he has not interest in actually representing his district then someone else needs to be elected.

And no, I don't believe one sentence of his story.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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If Cawthorn cares more about actually legislating instead of trying to be some sort of king maker for NC politics and a social media star, it would be great. As he has not interest in actually representing his district then someone else needs to be elected.

And no, I don't believe one sentence of his story.

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Hokie, do you live in his district?

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