Is that a serious post? No way that anyone believes that.

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Can you not read what was said and see what has already happened? Are you of the ability to form an opinion on your own ? Or do you need to be told what is the truth? Truth is right there if you want to see it, or you can believe the propaganda.

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Can you not read what was said and see what has already happened? Are you of the ability to form an opinion on your own ? Or do you need to be told what is the truth? Truth is right there if you want to see it, or you can believe the propaganda.

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Yes, yes & no.

Do you view all information you don't like, no matter how factual, as propaganda? Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is brainwashed or ignorant? Sure seems that way.

FWIW, I don't think you've been brainwashed or just look to Trump to tell you what the "truth" is, I just think we have differing points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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I have seen several people who have commented about an armed insurrection last week. I could of missed it but the only people that seemed to be armed were police. None of the images of people in the capital building showed any weapons at all.

Was storming the capital building a bad idea...absolutely. Unfortunately everyone in the media and the democrat politicians seem to have the same message and are using key words such as insurrection and sedition. They are all talking about the president being removed but everyone seems to gloss over the fact that this seems to be a normal thing. We can look at a few examples over the last few years.

• Alexandria Ocasio Cortez lead a group of protester into the capital building and stormed Nancy Pelosi's office two years ago
• The Hart Senate Building was stormed by protestors during the Kavanaugh senate hearings and confirmations
• The President had to be moved to a bunker by secret service during the DC riots last year because protestors were tearing down barriers that had been established by the secret service to protect the White House
• Protestors in Portland tried to gain access to a federal courthouse by beating on the doors and windows with crowbars and hammers. Those protesters had to be turned away by armed troops. Fires were lit near the courthouse in attempts to burn it down
• Wisconsin's capital building was occupied by protesters for weeks as republicans attempted to pass a bill.
• The Capital Hill Autonomous Zone was set up by rioters and protesters in Seattle. This included cordoning off 6 city blocks and taking over a sheriff's office. The leaders of the riot said that they had set up their own autonomous country and government. (this is actual sedition)
• Protestors in almost every major city in the country rioted and burned buildings and vehicles. State and federal property was destroyed on a massive scale.

We can also talk about the words and actions of politicians what were extremely inflammatory. Everyone treats Trump as some sort of crazed man, and he does like to stick his foot in his mouth, but I don't think that he has done anything outside of what other politicians have done

• Nancy Pelosi met with the Joint Chiefs on Friday to discuss not allowing Trump to use his presidential powers that have been granted by the constitution. That is quite literally a discussion on a potential coup.
• Democrat congressmen have objected to every republican presidents electoral college votes since 2000. I don't think this is a problem because that is a process that is laid out in the constitution. Republicans are being vilified for doing the exact same thing now.
• Maxine Waters, who is a democrat congressman) told people to get in the face of republicans that they saw in public and draw a crowd.
• Kamala Harris paid the bail for rioters who burnt down cities this past year. This included the people who attempted to set up their own country within Seattle. This is sedition
• Democrat politicians cheering on the rioting and burning down of cities.
• Over 70 democrats refused to attend Trump's inauguration in 2017.
• AOC marched protesters into Nancy Pelosi's office after giving a speech
• During the protest during Trump's inauguration one of the speakers said "I've thought a lot about blowing up the white house"
• Lots of democrat politicians spent 4 years telling us that Trump was illegitimate

Finally, I want to touch on Trump and other republicans being suspended from twitter. Back in 2018 a judge ruled that Trump couldn't block people because twitter was a public square. If that is the case then politicians shouldn't be able to block people, because legally twitter is considered a public square. Unfortunately this law isn't enforced equally across the board. I see democrat politicians blocking people all the time. I am all for twitter enforcing their terms and conditions on trump and other users, but those rules aren't enforced equally across the board. I spent 15-20 minutes on twitter this morning and found the following: porn (lots and lots of porn), harassment of users, vile and racist comments, dictators commenting on genocide, pictures of effigies of Trump being hung, burnt and destroyed, one "popular" comedian holding a very bloody head that was made to look like Trump, and a lot of comments on how the republican party and trump needed to be punished. All of these are against the Terms and Conditions of twitter, but these are allowed to remain. If this is the case then when is Trump removed?

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I can't believe that I forgot to add these as well:

Multiple republican congressmen shot at during baseball practice before congressional game by democrat supporter

Ran Paul assaulted in front of his home by democrat neighbor. There was a ton of cheering for this one in the twitterverse

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Here is an article with a collection of people threatening violence if the senate held hearing to replace Ginsberg in the Supreme Court

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/18/after-rbgs-death-left-wing-activists-promise-violence-if-trump-appoints-her-replacement/

These people all still have twitter accounts

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Yes, yes & no.

Do you view all information you don't like, no matter how factual, as propaganda? Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is brainwashed or ignorant? Sure seems that way.

FWIW, I don't think you've been brainwashed or just look to Trump to tell you what the "truth" is, I just think we have differing points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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No. No.

Trump did not try to incite a riot. Police have dealt with protesters wearing masks, helmets, holding shields, swinging bats, and spraying mace before. Even in the last year!!

Spouting the lies that say otherwise is propaganda. It's not different points of views. There is the truth. And there are lies/propaganda. Has nothing to do with different points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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They had a permit to gather at the Lincoln Memorial and a plaza near the White House. If you're marching, your permit has to have routes and it is insured. Trump was the keynote speaker at the "Save America Rally".



The Republicans have to get tougher. You're not going to have a Republican party if you don't get tougher. They want to play so straight; they want to play so serious the United States, the Constitution doesn't allow me to send them back to the states. Well, I would say yes, it does because the Constitution says you have to protect our country, and you have to protect our Constitution, and you can't vote on fraud, and fraud breaks up everything, doesn't it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules. So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do, and I hope he doesn't listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he's listening to.

It is also widely understood that the voter rolls are crammed full of noncitizens, felons, and people who have moved out of state, and individuals who are otherwise ineligible to vote, yet Democrats oppose every effort to clean up their voter rolls. They don't want to clean them up. They are loaded, and how many people here are--know other people that when hundreds of thousands and then millions of ballots got sent out got three, four, five, six and I heard one who got seven ballots, and then they say you didn't quite make it, sir. We won in a landslide. This was a landslide.

They said it's not American to challenge the election. This is the most corrupt election in the history, maybe in the world. You know you could go to third world countries, but I don't think they had hundreds of thousands of votes, and they don't have voters for them. I mean, no matter where you go, nobody would think this. In fact, it's so egregious, it's so bad that a lot of people don't even believe it. It is so crazy that people don't even believe it. It can't be true. So they don't believe it.

This is not just a matter of domestic politics; this is a matter of national security. So today, in addition to challenging the certification of the election, I'm calling on Congress and the state legislatures to quickly pass sweeping election reforms, and you had better do it before we have no country left. Today is not the end; it's just the beginning.

With your help over the last four years, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country, and nobody even challenges that. I say that over and over, and I never get challenged by the fake news, and they challenge almost everything we say. But our fight against the big donors, big media, big tech, and others is just getting started.

This is the greatest in history; there's never been a movement like that. You look back, there are all of the way to the Washington Monument. It's hard to believe. We must stop the steal, and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again, but we are going forward; we will take care of it going forward. We have got to take care of going back.

Don't let them talk, okay, well, we promise. I have had a lot of people, sir, you are at 96 percent for four years. I said I'm not interested right now. I'm interested in right there. With your help, we will finally pass powerful requirements for voter ID. You need an ID to cash a check, you need an ID to go to a bank, to buy alcohol, to drive a car; every person should need to show an ID in order to cast your most important thing, a vote.

We will also require proof of American citizenship in order to vote in American elections. We just have a good victory in court on that one, actually. We will ban ballot harvesting and prohibit the use of unsecured drop boxes to commit rampant fraud. These drop boxes are fraudulent. They get--they disappear, and then all of the sudden, they show up. It is fraudulent. We will stop the practice of universal unsolicited mail-in balloting. We will clean up the voter rolls and ensure that every single person who cast a vote is a citizen of our country, a resident of the state in which they vote, and their vote is cast in a lawful and honest manner.

We will restore the vital civic tradition of in-person voting on election day so that voters can be fully informed when they make their choice. We will finally hold big tech accountable, and if these people had courage and guts, they would get rid of Section 230, something that no other company, no other person in America, in the world has.

All of these tech monopolies are going to abuse their power and interfere in our elections, and it has to be stopped; and the Republicans have to get a lot tougher, and so should the Democrats. They should be regulated, investigated, and brought to justice under the fullest extent of the law. They are totally breaking the law.

Together we will drain the Washington swamp, and we will clean up the corruption in our nation's Capitol. We have done a big job on it, but you think it's easy; it's a dirty business. It's a dirty business. We have a lot of bad people out there. Despite everything we have been through looking out all over this country and seeing fantastic crowds, although this I think is our all-time record.

I think you have 250,000 people, 250,000. Looking out at all of the amazing patriots here today I have never been more confident in our nation's future. Well, I have to say we have to be a little bit careful. That's a nice statement, but we have to be a little careful with that statement. If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it's illegal when the votes are illegal when the way that they got there is illegal, when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information.

We are the greatest country on earth, and we are headed and were headed in the right direction. You know the wall is built; we are doing record numbers at the wall. Now they want to take down the wall. Let's let everyone flow in. Let's let everybody flow in. We did a great job on the wall. Remember the wall; they said it could never be done, one of the largest infrastructure projects we have ever had in this country, and it has had a tremendous impact and we got rid of catch and release, we got rid of all of the stuff that we had to live with. But now the caravans they think Biden is getting in the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country, can't let it happen.

As this enormous crowd shows, we have truth and justice on our side. We have a deep and enduring love for America in our hearts. We love our country. We have overwhelming pride in this great country. We have it deep in our souls. Together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Our brightest days are before us. Our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were, and again most people would stand there at 9 o'clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life, but I said something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can't have happened and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore.

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country, and I say this despite all that has happened, the best is yet to come.

So (we) are going to--(we) are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and {(we) are going to the Capitol}, and (we) are going to try and give--the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote but (we) are going to try--give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help, we're try--going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. (So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.)

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here. This is incredible.

Thank you very much.
Thank you.

Note: not part of the permit (march to the Capitol)and the permit had no insurance (required)

Here's what Trump said at his rally:
All of the words typed up for you or you can listen...



What happened to Lindsey Graham walking through the airport or what did the crowd say about Mike Pence???????

Thank you for proving my point.

Cisco with the self own!!!!! LMAO!!!!

Yes

5 years, yes 5, of the "illusion of truth". You've seen the words from Cruz and Graham 4-5 years back (about Trump). First you lie well enough that you almost believe it; good enough to pass a lie detector many times.

"If everybody always lies to you, the consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that nobody believes anything any longer And a people that no longer can believe anything cannot make up its mind. It is deprived not only of its capacity to act but also of its capacity to think and to judge. And with such a people you can then do what you please."
Hannah Arendt

"The truth is always something that is told, not something that is known. If there were no speaking or writing, there would be no truth about anything. There would only be what is."
Susan Sontag, The Benefactor


Many of us are familiar with the quotation, "Repeat a lie often enough and people will eventually come to believe it."

Not ironically, the adage often attributed to the infamous Nazi Joseph Goebbels is true and has been validated by decades of research on what psychology calls the "illusory truth effect." First described in a 1977 study by Temple University psychologist Dr. Lynn Hasher and her colleagues, the illusory truth effect occurs when repeating a statement increases the belief that it's true even when the statement is actually false.

Illusory Truth, Lies, and Political Propaganda
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Repetition makes a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda, says psychologist Tom Stafford.

How liars create the 'illusion of truth'
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Joseph Goebbels: On the "Big Lie"

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

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The 2 articles from Fox News? I didn't realize a former GOP governor and former head of capitol police were now guilty of engaging in "radical left" propaganda.

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Can you not read what was said and see what has already happened? Are you of the ability to form an opinion on your own ? Or do you need to be told what is the truth? Truth is right there if you want to see it, or you can believe the propaganda.

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Yes, yes & no.

Do you view all information you don't like, no matter how factual, as propaganda? Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is brainwashed or ignorant? Sure seems that way.

FWIW, I don't think you've been brainwashed or just look to Trump to tell you what the "truth" is, I just think we have differing points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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No. No.

Trump did not try to incite a riot. Police have dealt with protesters wearing masks, helmets, holding shields, swinging bats, and spraying mace before. Even in the last year!!

Spouting the lies that say otherwise is propaganda. It's not different points of views. There is the truth. And there are lies/propaganda. Has nothing to do with different points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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I was quoting the head of capitol police. I guess blue lives no longer matter?

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Doesn't matter who you're quoting. It isn't true. We've seen it time and again. Did they ever matter to you? Why would you assume they don't to me? Is that what your overlords tell you?

I love it....

The Democrats are doing background check of all National Guard folks that are to be at the inauguration for protection. If you are found to have supported Trump, you will not be allowed to protect the inauguration as you will be classified as a threat to society.

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Can you not read what was said and see what has already happened? Are you of the ability to form an opinion on your own ? Or do you need to be told what is the truth? Truth is right there if you want to see it, or you can believe the propaganda.

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Yes, yes & no.

Do you view all information you don't like, no matter how factual, as propaganda? Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is brainwashed or ignorant? Sure seems that way.

FWIW, I don't think you've been brainwashed or just look to Trump to tell you what the "truth" is, I just think we have differing points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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No. No.

Trump did not try to incite a riot. Police have dealt with protesters wearing masks, helmets, holding shields, swinging bats, and spraying mace before. Even in the last year!!

Spouting the lies that say otherwise is propaganda. It's not different points of views. There is the truth. And there are lies/propaganda. Has nothing to do with different points of view. But maybe that's just me.

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I was quoting the head of capitol police. I guess blue lives no longer matter?

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He has more problems than your puny world. They are now are saying some of the Capitol Police put on MAGA hats and let the peaceful protesters in the Capitol.

This is some funny stuff...

I'm listening to a podcast called Real Dictators. This conversation reminds me of the brainwashing Kim and Mao did where people no longer could use their own eyes. What other people told them to believe was more important.

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Hard to believe. Got a link?

I don't. I was watching the news and it was said there...

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The Democrats are doing background check of all National Guard folks that are to be at the inauguration for protection. If you are found to have supported Trump, you will not be allowed to protect the inauguration as you will be classified as a threat to society.

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After the crap that went down this past week I'm completely ok with any incoming party to pick and choose who protects their inauguration. If you dont like it then tough s***. Stop crying "rayufs" just because your damn side lost. Many people that voted Trump first time around did not vote for him again this time....how is that hard to believe? Denial aint a river in egypt. His dumb ass handled this pandemic like an idiot....this was the result. Your anger should be with Trump....but of course it never will be

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That's got to be the dumbest post to date...

Trump got ~ 12M more votes than in 2016

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The Democrats are doing background check of all National Guard folks that are to be at the inauguration for protection. If you are found to have supported Trump, you will not be allowed to protect the inauguration as you will be classified as a threat to society.

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After the crap that went down this past week I'm completely ok with any incoming party to pick and choose who protects their inauguration. If you dont like it then tough s***. Stop crying "rayufs" just because your damn side lost. Many people that voted Trump first time around did not vote for him again this time....how is that hard to believe? Denial aint a river in egypt. His dumb ass handled this pandemic like an idiot....this was the result. Your anger should be with Trump....but of course it never will be

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That's got to be the dumbest post to date...

Trump got ~ 12M more votes than in 2016

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honestly I havn't looked at the numbers. I guess swing voters like myself stayed out of it last go around. I kinda just figured the swing voters mostly went Trump last time....I guess the reality most swing voters simply stayed home in 2016. My mistake for assuming wrong
Either way, he lost the election fair and square. I didnt realize it was the landslide it was either this time.....so why are yall complaining about a landslide election? That didnt have to be rigged. Thats like complaining about the refs after Clemson pummels the crap out of our football team.

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Steve, you are kidding right? You have been my most respected person on all Pack things for a long time and always the voice of reason. If you've been sucked into the insane conspiracy/insurrectionist/traitor land, my faith in humanity is going to be permanently damaged. Please say it isn't so.

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Steve, you are kidding right? You have been my most respected person on all Pack things for a long time and always the voice of reason. If you've been sucked into the insane conspiracy/insurrectionist/traitor land, my faith in humanity is going to be permanently damaged. Please say it isn't so.

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Asking if this is the speech leftists say "incited a riot" is insane conspiracy/insurrectionist/traitor land? Please say you aren't so intolerant.

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The Democrats are doing background check of all National Guard folks that are to be at the inauguration for protection. If you are found to have supported Trump, you will not be allowed to protect the inauguration as you will be classified as a threat to society.

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After the crap that went down this past week I'm completely ok with any incoming party to pick and choose who protects their inauguration. If you dont like it then tough s***. Stop crying "rayufs" just because your damn side lost. Many people that voted Trump first time around did not vote for him again this time....how is that hard to believe? Denial aint a river in egypt. His dumb ass handled this pandemic like an idiot....this was the result. Your anger should be with Trump....but of course it never will be

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I'm ok with this. Maybe if Trump vetted his people better we are in a different situation from a political standpoint.

Don't blame the democrats at all

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Yep. There won't be any moles permitted in the ranks this time around.

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I love it....

The Democrats are doing background check of all National Guard folks that are to be at the inauguration for protection. If you are found to have supported Trump, you will not be allowed to protect the inauguration as you will be classified as a threat to society.

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After the crap that went down this past week I'm completely ok with any incoming party to pick and choose who protects their inauguration. If you dont like it then tough s***. Stop crying "rayufs" just because your damn side lost. Many people that voted Trump first time around did not vote for him again this time....how is that hard to believe? Denial aint a river in egypt. His dumb ass handled this pandemic like an idiot....this was the result. Your anger should be with Trump....but of course it never will be

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That's got to be the dumbest post to date...

Trump got ~ 12M more votes than in 2016

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honestly I havn't looked at the numbers. I guess swing voters like myself stayed out of it last go around. I kinda just figured the swing voters mostly went Trump last time....I guess the reality most swing voters simply stayed home in 2016. My mistake for assuming wrong
Either way, he lost the election fair and square. I didnt realize it was the landslide it was either this time.....so why are yall complaining about a landslide election? That didnt have to be rigged. Thats like complaining about the refs after Clemson pummels the crap out of our football team.

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I don't consider either of the last two elections a landslide. The country is ~ evenly divided.

I believe Trump, based on what is said, has done nothing any worse than Obama, from a rhetoric standpoint. Obama made so many subtle innuendos and Trump was not subtle at all. No need to debate me as that's my belief and I'm not going to change.

That being said, Biden will show his issues very quickly; however, we shouldn't slam him for these, unless it's a policy difference. I think we all want our Presidents to be successful, meaning we want our country to prosper. I do not want Biden to implement progressive policies and will support anyone that calls them out and/or tries to stop them.

Our rhetoric (I'll start myself) has been awful. We all have to be on this earth together; so, we needn't make it more difficult for ourselves. So, I am going to try and debate facts and policy beliefs. I am going to try and quit making so many personal statements (like above), outlandish allegations, and divisive outcry's that put the other person on the defense.

Let's all try this and see how it goes...

I certainly hope this was widespread. Nonetheless, it shows some are decent...

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I actually think Steve raises a great point.

I know that I have posted several times since last week about what other democrats have said that I viewed as worse than anything Trump has said or done. I also know that there are a lot of people here that believe that Trump told people to go out and storm the capital and riot. I and several other posters stand on the complete opposite side and believe that Trump didn't do anything outside of the ordinary.

Can anyone provide the passage from his speech that told everyone to go out and riot? I don't mean what the media or other politicians have said that Trump said, but Trump's actual words? I find it odd that as often at the media like to play video of Trump looking less than presidential I haven't seen a video of what he said yet.

I've taken the last few days to read through the speech and I have not found where Trump is telling people to riot. I read the part of the speech where he told people that they were all going to walk down to the capital, but that it was going to be "patriotic and peaceful". I don't think that goes outside the bound of normal and we've had tons marches on the capital

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Steve, you are kidding right? You have been my most respected person on all Pack things for a long time and always the voice of reason. If you've been sucked into the insane conspiracy/insurrectionist/traitor land, my faith in humanity is going to be permanently damaged. Please say it isn't so.

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I actually think Steve raises a great point.

I know that I have posted several times since last week about what other democrats have said that I viewed as worse than anything Trump has said or done. I also know that there are a lot of people here that believe that Trump told people to go out and storm the capital and riot. I and several other posters stand on the complete opposite side and believe that Trump didn't do anything outside of the ordinary.

Can anyone provide the passage from his speech that told everyone to go out and riot? I don't mean what the media or other politicians have said that Trump said, but Trump's actual words? I find it odd that as often at the media like to play video of Trump looking less than presidential I haven't seen a video of what he said yet.

I've taken the last few days to read through the speech and I have not found where Trump is telling people to riot. I read the part of the speech where he told people that they were all going to walk down to the capital, but that it was going to be "patriotic and peaceful". I don't think that goes outside the bound of normal and we've had tons marches on the capital

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Cowboy, you and I appear to have similar world views. I have read and listened to the rally speech multiple times, as well. My objective was to look for something I may be missing. Kind of like a blind spot.

I, too, just don't see it. I want to consider that an opposing view sees it differently than me; however, at this point, I just don't see it... also, when you provide the passage from the speech, as Cowboy asked, try and give a greater context so we can understand your justification.

I read the transcript and as I suspected it was not a riot inducing speech. The idiots that did what they did do not belong in the movement and they are a disgrace. Whatever they thought they were accomplishing they just brought the damn guillotine down on Trump supporters, conservatives, and the like. The media formed their narrative quickly against Trump and now full on authoritarianism is taking place through big social media networks and legacy media. We are moving towards being CCP Lite and these idiots just helped speed that process up.

This movement is more important than Trump and you guys that agree with me know what I'm talking about. It cannot die. And it needs to live on lawfully through peaceful gatherings, excitement, and positivity. Trump was a polarizing figure no doubt about it. I think it took his personality to break through the swamp. There's no beating the swamp but he did more than anyone else and exposed a lot of it. And maybe now that there is this movement it will continue to grow within the GOP and become the new GOP. But the corrupt republicans that are against this will continue to be a problem until we put decent candidates up to primary some of them.

Catherine Herridge is an outstanding reporter and she has brought up a few timeline questions. BTW, she used to be a FoxNews reporter and is now with CBS. I always thought she is the personification of a reporter.

https://populist.press/msm-reporter-telling-the-truth-she-knows-it-was-all-staged/

Don't look at the headlines; rather look at he timeline. Piecing this together hopefully will help...

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