pineknollshoresking said:
Pacfanweb said:
Not true. But honestly, there's no need for anyone to dispute it. It HAS been disputed by the Nevada SoS, but all you have to do is look how Trump's folks came up with that number you'll realize there's not a need to dispute it because their source (the DMV) doesn't show who voted.
""The DMV finally provided a list of green card holders and noncitizens who had obtained driver's licenses. When we compared this detailed information against the county voter records in Nevada, we discovered that 6,260 noncitizens were registered to vote and 3,987 non-citizens had voted."
And as of December 20, no evidence had been presented to Nevada that such a thing happened. The 3987 claim was made prior to that date. All the guy in the article is doing is recycling that false number.
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=9191
Myth #5
Non-citizens were able to register and vote in Nevada.
Fact #5
It is a felony for non-citizens to register to vote or cast a ballot in Nevada. Any individuals who are found to have voted illegally will be prosecuted. (As of 12/18/20 we have not been presented with evidence of non-citizens voting in the 2020 election.)
And once again, it's not on the Nevada elections folks to prove a claim is wrong. That's not the way it works, anywhere. The burden of proof is on the person making the claims, and as with all the other fraud claims around the country, nobody has come up with any proof for this one, either. If they had, you'd think they would have brought it to the Nevada SoS or the courts there in one of the hearings.
I read another article that explained it further, but the bottom line really is, as with all the other fake claims of fraud, if there really was any evidence, it would have been shown to the various Secretaries of State, election boards, and courts around the country.
But none ever was. There's a reason for that: There was never anything but claims, no actual evidence. And that's because none of this stuff happened.
No one has disputed it. Example: Georgia SOS says the had 2 people vote that were dead. Trump team says ~ 800. SOS says your data is wrong. Trump team says let me show you my data. SOS says he don't want to.
Why?
You can say all you want to that he is right, has the correct data, etc... unfortunately, for you, that doesn't convince ~ 1/2 voting population. Doesn't that scare you? If it doesn't, that's sad...
Previously (2016), when Democrats contested the election in the joint session (did you know they did that?) they had no data supporting their claim. In fact, they didn't have Senator support in the joint session. Biden shut it down because they had nothing (using the words of people here)
No reason to address your other points as the above is enough to call everything else you've said into question.
Okay, see you start out with something incorrect and go on from there.
First off, right in the phone call between Trump and the SoS and all the others, at the end they agreed to get together and show each other their data. No idea if Trump's people ever showed up to do so, but the agreement was there, you can listen to it or read it right in the transcript. That's patently false that they won't listen to him.
So no, the SOS didn't say "I won't look at what you have"....the only thing they said remotely close to that was "we have ALREADY looked at it and it's wrong". But not "We refuse to look at it" They looked at all of the claims, and found them to be inaccurate at best.
And yes, it does scare me that so many people are so gullible and believe in such nonsense. Surely does.
It doesn't matter what happened in 2016, it's irrelevant, not to mention not even CLOSE to what Trump has done here. Not even in the same area code, much less the neighborhood.
But: You're talking about 6 or so Dems who "contested" the election. All they did was speak their piece and then Biden, of all people, shut them down. Only reps, no senators. That's the extent of it. So again, it's not even remotely comparable, so the "But the Democrats in 2016" doesn't fly here. That was your big protest you're referring to. Not 2 months of the President and loads of conspiracy folks telling lies to everyone who would listen. (and a shocking number did)
Less than a minute of research would have told you that.
WASHINGTON One by one, the Democratic lawmakers stepped to the microphone on Friday, holding on to their letters and an impossible dream: denying the presidency to Donald J. Trump, two weeks before his inauguration.And one by one, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. presiding over a joint session of Congress to validate the Electoral College results in Mr. Trump's victory turned back their challenges with a stoic message, pounding his gavel without hesitation."It is over," Mr. Biden said at one point, as Republicans rose to their feet to cheer.After weeks of fitful grumblings about the long-shot maneuvers that might obstruct Mr. Trump's path to the White House, the proceedings on Friday appeared to close the book.Lawmakers are permitted to make objections to both individual and state tallies, but they must be submitted in writing and signed by at least one member of both the House and the Senate. No senator chose to join the cause of the half-dozen or so House Democrats who raised complaints.The result was a parade of clipped protests from House members, drowned out quickly by the questioning of the vice president, who also serves as the president of the Senate.
"Mr. President, I object because people are horrified," began Representative Barbara Lee of California.
Repeatedly, Mr. Biden asked if anyone could produce an objection that was joined by a senator."In that case," he said, to Republican applause, when no one could, "the objection cannot be entertained."As the exercise neared its end, Representative Maxine Waters, Democrat of California, stepped forward. "I do not wish to debate," she said. "I wish to ask: Is there one United States senator who will join me?"Mr. Biden reached for his gavel."