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I mean
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He isn't the only big target
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JCooke93 said:

He isn't the only big target


Coaching wise?
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ECU pitching coach Austin Knight going to Tennessee.
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JCooke93
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Lax is a wolf
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Was looking at MLB.com tonight and noticed Gunnar Alm isn't in their top 200 prospects for the draft. I thought he was a top 3-5 round type prospect, but maybe not? Also saw he was the #10 prep OF for the draft, according to prep baseball. Any chance we get him on campus or still a long shot? IMO he is a plug and play CF
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Would be awesome
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https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?
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ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively
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Novy hitting the ball hard this summer. Going to be interesting to see if Hart thinks he can hit well enough to play everyday. Could be helpful to use $$ elsewhere, but Novy has some serious pop

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EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively

Owners being cheap but I think you will see the players fight this hard. Allowing a 16 year old international player sign but making an American kid wait until they are 20 just wont fly IMO. I still wouldn't trust an international draft either, teams will still backdoor deals with trainers and push them down to the team they want.

Also, if this somehow does happen I think you will just see a lot of these high end kids go the JUCO route.
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Jtilley said:

EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively

Owners being cheap but I think you will see the players fight this hard. Allowing a 16 year old international player sign but making an American kid wait until they are 20 just wont fly IMO. I still wouldn't trust an international draft either, teams will still backdoor deals with trainers and push them down to the team they want.

Also, if this somehow does happen I think you will just see a lot of these high end kids go the JUCO route.


What would be the benefit of going juco over going to a SEC school and getting paid? Under these changes Juco doesn't get you to the draft any faster does it?
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ICW Wolf said:

Jtilley said:

EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively

Owners being cheap but I think you will see the players fight this hard. Allowing a 16 year old international player sign but making an American kid wait until they are 20 just wont fly IMO. I still wouldn't trust an international draft either, teams will still backdoor deals with trainers and push them down to the team they want.

Also, if this somehow does happen I think you will just see a lot of these high end kids go the JUCO route.


What would be the benefit of going juco over going to a SEC school and getting paid? Under these changes Juco doesn't get you to the draft any faster does it?

I missed they are trying to change the age to 20.

These owners are just cheap. You are better off trying to sign as many guys as possible in hopes of getting a young super star that you can control cheap.

Mike Trout was the AL rookie of the year at 20 while playing majority of the season at 19. Konner Griffin is 20 and hitting .270 right now. These types of guys do not need to go to college, top young prospects are already destroying low level pitching and not really being tested until they get to the majors.
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I think this helps put a funnel on the scouting for MLB so they do not have to travel the HS baseball circuit-I think MLB PA may go for this if more money is invested in MLB per player and a smaller minor league system
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Just announced the Jesse Gutierrez sign
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FLWolf said:

I think this helps put a funnel on the scouting for MLB so they do not have to travel the HS baseball circuit-I think MLB PA may go for this if more money is invested in MLB per player and a smaller minor league system

I would think a major pain point for the MLBPA would be effectively delaying free agency and the big 2nd/3rd contracts. Players would likely lose out on a round of negotiations. The rookie scale would have to change drastically IMO
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Alex Gee said:

FLWolf said:

I think this helps put a funnel on the scouting for MLB so they do not have to travel the HS baseball circuit-I think MLB PA may go for this if more money is invested in MLB per player and a smaller minor league system

I would think a major pain point for the MLBPA would be effectively delaying free agency and the big 2nd/3rd contracts. Players would likely lose out on a round of negotiations. The rookie scale would have to change drastically IMO


We are headed to a lockout. Zero chance owners and league get salary cap and this draft/age restriction.
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Looks like Novy is staying
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Jtilley said:

ICW Wolf said:

Jtilley said:

EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively

Owners being cheap but I think you will see the players fight this hard. Allowing a 16 year old international player sign but making an American kid wait until they are 20 just wont fly IMO. I still wouldn't trust an international draft either, teams will still backdoor deals with trainers and push them down to the team they want.

Also, if this somehow does happen I think you will just see a lot of these high end kids go the JUCO route.


What would be the benefit of going juco over going to a SEC school and getting paid? Under these changes Juco doesn't get you to the draft any faster does it?

I missed they are trying to change the age to 20.

These owners are just cheap. You are better off trying to sign as many guys as possible in hopes of getting a young super star that you can control cheap.

Mike Trout was the AL rookie of the year at 20 while playing majority of the season at 19. Konner Griffin is 20 and hitting .270 right now. These types of guys do not need to go to college, top young prospects are already destroying low level pitching and not really being tested until they get to the majors.


I dont agree that owners are cheap. Baseball franchises have 5 of the top 10 payrolls in all of sports. All of them over $300M/year, before adding in luxury taxes. After factoring in luxury taxes, those five payrolls exceed $400M a year, with the Dodgers approaching $600M/year. The other five spots are occupied by soccer franchises. The NFL generates the most revenue, and they have almost twice the active roster of an MLB team, yet none of them crack the top 10.

The issue with baseball is in the discrepancies in revenues. If you're a smaller market team, there is no incentive for you to bump your payroll up from $120M to $180M when you're still fielding a team at half the payroll of the teams with access to those revenues. Why spend an extra $60M a year to still finish last in your division? The Rockies could up their spending from $140M/year to $200M/year, and they still be spending $100M less than three other teams in their division and $400M/year less than the Dodgers. Good luck convincing an owner to sign that check. The AL East has three of the top six payrolls in baseball..

The baseball model needs to be completely revamped. No other sport has such a discrepancy between haves and have nots.
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BigLefty24 said:

Jtilley said:

ICW Wolf said:

Jtilley said:

EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-seeks-sweeping-draft-overhaul-including-end-of-high-school-eligibility/

No more highschool draftees?

The CBA negotiations have a long way to go so we'll see where it ends up. MLB and MLBPA are a million miles apart, conservatively

Owners being cheap but I think you will see the players fight this hard. Allowing a 16 year old international player sign but making an American kid wait until they are 20 just wont fly IMO. I still wouldn't trust an international draft either, teams will still backdoor deals with trainers and push them down to the team they want.

Also, if this somehow does happen I think you will just see a lot of these high end kids go the JUCO route.


What would be the benefit of going juco over going to a SEC school and getting paid? Under these changes Juco doesn't get you to the draft any faster does it?

I missed they are trying to change the age to 20.

These owners are just cheap. You are better off trying to sign as many guys as possible in hopes of getting a young super star that you can control cheap.

Mike Trout was the AL rookie of the year at 20 while playing majority of the season at 19. Konner Griffin is 20 and hitting .270 right now. These types of guys do not need to go to college, top young prospects are already destroying low level pitching and not really being tested until they get to the majors.


I dont agree that owners are cheap. Baseball franchises have 5 of the top 10 payrolls in all of sports. All of them over $300M/year, before adding in luxury taxes. After factoring in luxury taxes, those five payrolls exceed $400M a year, with the Dodgers approaching $600M/year. The other five spots are occupied by soccer franchises. The NFL generates the most revenue, and they have almost twice the active roster of an MLB team, yet none of them crack the top 10.

The issue with baseball is in the discrepancies in revenues. If you're a smaller market team, there is no incentive for you to bump your payroll up from $120M to $180M when you're still fielding a team at half the payroll of the teams with access to those revenues. Why spend an extra $60M a year to still finish last in your division? The Rockies could up their spending from $140M/year to $200M/year, and they still be spending $100M less than three other teams in their division and $400M/year less than the Dodgers. Good luck convincing an owner to sign that check. The AL East has three of the top six payrolls in baseball..

The baseball model needs to be completely revamped. No other sport has such a discrepancy between haves and have nots.

There are owners that are cheap though and have historically never spent. Luckily, pay roll isn't the end all be all in baseball. You have plenty of small market teams that have been historically good with a bottom third payroll (Rays and Brewers currently top five records in the league). You also have top spending teams like the Mets who have spent terribly.

I agree on the small market part of the revenue but my argument is that the draft/international signings/scouting is even more important to them than the bigger clubs. That is their chance to invest more in those areas vs trying to spend on a super star, they have the opportunity to find those overlooked players that turn into stars.

Not sure if the NFL comparison is fair since most NFL teams aren't keeping an additional 200 players on the practice squad.
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That makes the NFL comparison even worse. MLB is paying their big league teams (50% of an NFL roster) more while also subsidizing an entire minor league market.

And yes, I'm a Red Sox fan.. They have all the revenue resources yet spend just enough to be competitive and keep the fans coming to the stadium. We'll, until this year.. That sh*t no longer is flying in Boston. Pay up or sell the fkkin team.

* what Tampa Bay continues to do is remarkable..
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pack2010
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not sure if these updates should go in the summer league thread or this one. but Novy is mashing the ball. So is quinn bentley so far this summer

FLWolf
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Tough to compare spending in the NFL and MLB because the revenues are not split evenly in MLB like the NFL

Really tough formulas

Tough being a Boston fan now-I get it. The Rays are my team and they are always fun and get the most with very little but that is not the norm. We seem to be good enough to compete but are we really contenders??

Baseball is a really tough sport to find that balance and I do expect a lock out
 
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